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Covid Passports for football matches

Ormergod

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UlsterBFC began by saying that the government themselves admitted there had been 1500 deaths from the vaccine.

B-side argued that the figure of 1500 was actually deaths that had occurred AFTER having the vaccine (there’s a set time limit to be included in that figure), not necessarily CAUSED by the vax.

You then responded (I assumed sarcastically) that you hadn’t realised he’d personally analysed every death.

I just pointed out that that analysis was already done, and published, by the people that Ulster got his original figure from.

As an aside ….

According to those reports, there have been no deaths that can be solely attributed to the vaccine. Now, that statement might be open to debate, fair enough, but it seems strange to me that the anti-vaxxers who keep on pushing the 1500 deaths (within a set time limit of receiving the vax) figure, tend to be the very same people who kicked off about having COVID mentioned on the death certificate if they died within a set time limit of a positive covid test.
It seems they’re happy to accept the recording procedure when it suits their agenda, but not when it doesn’t.

No this is what B-side said:

You say that 1,500 people have died after taking the jab.....That's 100% true (or I guess it's true).....BUT.....They didn't die FROM the vaccine.
"didnt die FROM the vaccine"

He has no grounds to say this because he has not investigated every death individually.

I totally agree with you that of those 1500+ deaths that some of those will include people who have taken the injection and then died from natural causes but there will be a section of those 1500+ people who have died due to taking the injection and this is where my problem lies. The MHRA regulator for United Kingdom should be doing their job and investigating these deaths. There will also be a group of people who have died after taking the injection,had no adverse effects reported to yellow card at all if they didnt know yellow card existed and logged as a natural cause death so it works both ways.

For context. When the swine flu vaccine was trialled there were 50 deaths and the trial was paused for investigation. The trial was then stopped altogether. Why is the same not happening here. This is an alarming number of serious adverse reactions and fatalities included in the 1,000,000+ yellow card reports now and still the roll out has not been paused to investigate.
 

UlsterBFC

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…and what’s wrong with being a born again Christian? Ah, you don’t endorse or agree with that either? Well, I’m proud to admit I’m a Christian, I’m proud to take a stand for what I see is right and honourable. Tell me again what you take a stand for?
 

Johnno

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ElBurroSinNombre

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…and what’s wrong with being a born again Christian? Ah, you don’t endorse or agree with that either? Well, I’m proud to admit I’m a Christian, I’m proud to take a stand for what I see is right and honourable. Tell me again what you take a stand for?
There is nothing wrong with being a Christian but it does mean, IMHO, that you are susceptible to believing things that have no strong evidence to back them up.
You have demonstrated that on this thread with the stuff that you have posted about Covid and the moon landings.
 

UlsterBFC

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Not the only source, but it’s limited as I say, everywhere else is censored. You don’t believe that either I suppose?
 

Ormergod

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Brilliant piece of selective editing and linking to an out of context story!

Great work, sir.

👏👏👏
Selective editing?

The minister states on camera that 24,000 children will be vaccinated in a stadium and for their parents not to worry they will be well looked after inside. Exactly what you asked for.
I’d be happy to read/watch any link you can provide to the 22,000 Australian children being herded towards a vaccination.
👍
 

UlsterBFC

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Oh come on, I’m supposed to be the gullible one here, you seriously believe they landed on the moon? I didn’t think anyone bought that nonsense these days? Is that the problem here? Is it impossible for you to think outside of the narrative you’ve been fed? It’s like evolution, a “theory” that has absolutely no scientific proof whatsoever! But you’ll scorn that too I’m sure. You’ll once again call me an idiot, an imbecile for not believing something so obvious. But you won’t research it for yourselves, you’ll trust what the scientists tell you and why, because it saves you from having to think for yourselves. “Of course there’s proof of evolution!” I hear you say, no, there’s not, there’s not one shred of evidence to back it up. “Look at the science” you’ll say, what science? Science has a fundamental law, you cannot get something from nothing, it’s a scientific fact. But hey, don’t listen to me, I’m only an idiot living out the last days here in good old Norn Iron, you carry on believing the narrative, you keep on siding with what the masses believe. At the end of the day your way is so much easier, you have the majority on your side and you rarely if ever have to think outside the box they made for you.
 

ElBurroSinNombre

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Oh come on, I’m supposed to be the gullible one here, you seriously believe they landed on the moon? I didn’t think anyone bought that nonsense these days? Is that the problem here? Is it impossible for you to think outside of the narrative you’ve been fed? It’s like evolution, a “theory” that has absolutely no scientific proof whatsoever! But you’ll scorn that too I’m sure. You’ll once again call me an idiot, an imbecile for not believing something so obvious. But you won’t research it for yourselves, you’ll trust what the scientists tell you and why, because it saves you from having to think for yourselves. “Of course there’s proof of evolution!” I hear you say, no, there’s not, there’s not one shred of evidence to back it up. “Look at the science” you’ll say, what science? Science has a fundamental law, you cannot get something from nothing, it’s a scientific fact. But hey, don’t listen to me, I’m only an idiot living out the last days here in good old Norn Iron, you carry on believing the narrative, you keep on siding with what the masses believe. At the end of the day your way is so much easier, you have the majority on your side and you rarely if ever have to think outside the box they made for you.
There is actually a lot of evidence for evolution, overwhelming evidence in fact. Just denying that there is any evidence (when there is a lot) is not actually an argument, it's just another untruth that you have posted on the Internet.
 

Johnno

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Selective editing?

The minister states on camera that 24,000 children will be vaccinated in a stadium and for their parents not to worry they will be well looked after inside. Exactly what you asked for.
Ok, my last input to this, as I’m not wasting time on conspiracy theory nutters.

The evocative language used when the story of the 22,000 children being ‘herded’ to their jabs is typical of these crank websites to portray something that isn’t really happening.

This is the text underneath that ‘news’ report -

“The horrific Nazi-like ushering of masses of helpless youths is the furtherance of proof that Australia is the prototype for the New World Order.”

So yes, when a clip of a NSW government official, talking about how the vaccination of under 16’s would be conducted at a FUTURE date, is used as proof of the Nazi-like forced vaccination of helpless children, I’d say that that’s selective editing.

Believe what you want, but don’t be surprised if everyone else thinks you’re a crank.
 

ElBurroSinNombre

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Phylogenetic studies show how and which parts of genetic material are passed on from species to species as life has evolved on the earth. There have been many studies from genetically sequenced biological samples that show how different species are linked and what their common ancestor was. It all fits in neatly with what we already knew about evolution and is on the genetic level.
That is one piece of evidence for the theory of evolution.
 

UlsterBFC

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Phylogenetic studies show how and which parts of genetic material are passed on from species to species as life has evolved on the earth. There have been many studies from genetically sequenced biological samples that show how different species are linked and what their common ancestor was. It all fits in neatly with what we already knew about evolution and is on the genetic level.
That is one piece of evidence for the theory of evolution.
This doesn’t prove an awful lot, if anything. If proves that species have similar genetics but it doesn’t prove a frog became a dog, or a fish became a horse. Darwin was the father of the theory, even he at his death didn’t believe it. But tell me, where did life come from, the Big Bang? There was nothing, then nothing created a big explosion, and something appeared? Hmmm, sounds like great science that!
 

Wizaard

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This doesn’t prove an awful lot, if anything. If proves that species have similar genetics but it doesn’t prove a frog became a dog, or a fish became a horse. Darwin was the father of the theory, even he at his death didn’t believe it. But tell me, where did life come from, the Big Bang? There was nothing, then nothing created a big explosion, and something appeared? Hmmm, sounds like great science that!
As opposed to six days creation 4,500 years ago?
 

ElBurroSinNombre

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This doesn’t prove an awful lot, if anything. If proves that species have similar genetics but it doesn’t prove a frog became a dog, or a fish became a horse. Darwin was the father of the theory, even he at his death didn’t believe it. But tell me, where did life come from, the Big Bang? There was nothing, then nothing created a big explosion, and something appeared? Hmmm, sounds like great science that!
Phylogenetics does actually show how individual species evolved by showing their common ancestors and which parts of the genome deviated to produce the genetic differences between different species. When this process of genetic mutation is repeated thousands of times over a long time span and with the constraints of the environment we end up with the genetic diversity that we see in the world around us. The studies are carried using genetic sequencing technology so we are looking at the ancestry of actual genetic sequences. My question for you is that if species haven't evolved from common ancestors then why are their genetic sequences in some parts of their genomes identical (as you concede in your answer above)?

Another thing I am interested to know is were you educated in the UK?
And how did you form your view that there is no evidence for evolution?
 

Ormergod

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Ok, my last input to this, as I’m not wasting time on conspiracy theory nutters.

The evocative language used when the story of the 22,000 children being ‘herded’ to their jabs is typical of these crank websites to portray something that isn’t really happening.

This is the text underneath that ‘news’ report -

“The horrific Nazi-like ushering of masses of helpless youths is the furtherance of proof that Australia is the prototype for the New World Order.”

So yes, when a clip of a NSW government official, talking about how the vaccination of under 16’s would be conducted at a FUTURE date, is used as proof of the Nazi-like forced vaccination of helpless children, I’d say that that’s selective editing.

Believe what you want, but don’t be surprised if everyone else thinks you’re a crank.
I didnt say anything about "forced" or "nazis". You said you would be happy to watch evidence of children being herded towards a vaccination. I provide footage of the health minister confirming that 24,000 children will be herded into a stadium without parents allowed in and youre not happy. Why arent you happy Johnno?

Ive had to remind you twice in this thread this afternoon of what you have both read and watched but you continue to pretend you saw something different.
 

FY4MIKEH

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I can confirm this having just finally got over it (wretched virus). Must say my Dad who is 80 and very active I think would struggle with what I went through the last few weeks and he is still going out and socialising which does concern me. Get the feeling we could have a lot of poorly people off work with this virus this Winter even though they're double jabbed. Don't actually think a COVID passport will make any difference!
I had it myself a few weeks ago and I'm just glad I caught it now and not in the winter. It's going to be a testing winter for a lot of us.
 

King Billy

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I didnt say anything about "forced" or "nazis". You said you would be happy to watch evidence of children being herded towards a vaccination. I provide footage of the health minister confirming that 24,000 children will be herded into a stadium without parents allowed in and youre not happy. Why arent you happy Johnno?

Ive had to remind you twice in this thread this afternoon of what you have both read and watched but you continue to pretend you saw something different.
What about the kids that died?
 

Old_Laytonian

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Are Protestant Christians the same as Catholic Christians? Just asking as I can’t be doing with or understand all this religious bollocks.
 

Ormergod

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What about the kids that died?
Im not sure pal. Ive never mentioned any of those children dying but I have heard about it. Until I see any evidence I couldnt confirm it.I think its just the word of one ex military person unless more information has since come out this week. Fact checkers are all over it though so worth noting.
 

UlsterBFC

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Are Protestant Christians the same as Catholic Christians? Just asking as I can’t be doing with or understand all this religious bollocks.
I am neither of those, although I have been both in the past so I know where the two mindsets come from. I’m not religious in the traditional sense either. You’re right, don’t have anything to do with that “religious bollocks.”
But I am a follower of Jesus, and proud of it too. I accept His words when He says there is no way to the a Father except through Him. Over the past 30 years I have picked up my Bible and questioned every page of it, now I come to the conclusion, why can’t it all be true? Why shouldn’t the world have been created by Him in six days? Is that any more or less fantastic than a Big Bang? He says that happened, so I believe it. Why shouldn’t the earth be 6000 years old? Because scientists tell you its millions of years old? I know who I’m putting my faith in, and it isn’t in the scientist.
I don’t want to sound offensive here but don’t you think it ironic? I say I believe in God, creation and the Bible, I get slated, fair enough. But I notice on this site, if someone dies, it’s all, oh may he rest in peace! He‘ll be looking down from heaven now! At the “Christian” funeral, comforting words from the Bible will be read by the minister. It’s funny how it’s ok to talk about God then, but I get slated now? I’m gullible because I devote my life to it and you‘re happy to deride me for it, but when the rubber hits the road and death is right in front of you....?Anyway, enough. If ever you get an hour to yourself and feel like challenging your way of thinking, try “Exposing Scientism” on youtube, might just change your life.
 

gjr69

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I think we've got almost as big a problem with obesity here in the UK gjr. Looking round at the sheer number of overweight people, we can't be far behind the USA
Unfortunately we now follow the worst of American culture instead of emulating the best of European.
 

GTFsTwinBrother

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Not the only source, but it’s limited as I say, everywhere else is censored. You don’t believe that either I suppose?
I personally don't believe it either. Just like I don't believe you know 10 people who've died after having the jab compared to 2 people who've died from covid... that some completely fabricated crap to try and prove your point.
 

Always tangerine

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Just spent 8 days in France . Need Health pass to enter most restaurants,cafes,bars enclosed places. Very easy to show on phone. More or less 100 per cent mask wearing on transport in Paris. Feels much safer there and cases are much lower than here. For me feels a bit like the Wild West here, no leadership from Johnson.
 

seasideone

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Phylogenetic studies show how and which parts of genetic material are passed on from species to species as life has evolved on the earth. There have been many studies from genetically sequenced biological samples that show how different species are linked and what their common ancestor was. It all fits in neatly with what we already knew about evolution and is on the genetic level.
That is one piece of evidence for the theory of evolution.
Unfortunately UlsterBFC proves by his own existence that Evolution does not exist!!!
 

seasideone

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2/3 in Blackpool Vic are double jabbed, pretty much the same all over. But don't take any notice TRUST YOUR GOVERNMENT "EXPERTS".
If the figures you quote are correct - that 2/3 people in the Vic are double jabbed - then it conclusively proves the vaccines work 👍
 

Malced

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The policy proposal has been dropped. Common sense prevails. Sorry for the ‘all in’ crew who were so quick to give up their rights and freedoms. (That’s a reference to an earlier response to my post on this thread) 😮😉
 

Ormergod

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Only dropping it because they know they will never get it through parliament. They thought they could sneak it through without a vote.
 

catinstalbans

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I’m already expecting us to be back in some sort of lockdown come November anyway. No fans, family back in a bubble, no cash at the bar, Xmas dinners cancelled across the country. The passport will just be the beginning of the winter lockdown.
You mean you think Boris Johnson is lying to us again?
 

glasshalffull

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While this thread has been great entertainment at times it also really does say an awful lot about why the world is in such an awful mess.
 

20togo

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I am more intrigued why Ulsterbfc has decided to start posting on here after registering over 18 months ago. A crank, a wum, a multi username, maybe even all 3?
 

Scaramanga

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You mean you think Boris Johnson is lying to us again?
CAT, he’s a politician. It’s inherently infected in their DNA. All of them, not just Boris. You need to get over your obsession with him as I’m sure it’s not doing anything good for your mental health.
 

SEASIDE2020

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I am more intrigued why Ulsterbfc has decided to start posting on here after registering over 18 months ago. A crank, a wum, a multi username, maybe even all 3?

To be fair to Ulster, he certainly wouldn't be the only poster to have multiple usernames.
 
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