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FY5_Seasider

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From a solid source. Critch has been interviewed on two seperate occasions and Charlie Adam has been interviewed also.

As of yet Dobbie hasn't been interviewed. I presume he will be now that the season has ended.

No need for the source to bullshit but I'm just passing on what I have been told.
 
FY5_Seasider said:
From a solid source. Critch has been interviewed on two seperate occasions and Charlie Adam has been interviewed also.

As of yet Dobbie hasn't been interviewed. I presume he will be now that the season has ended.

No need for the source to bullshit but I'm just passing on what I have been told.
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Assessing all available options is possible, but pick the right one.

Critchley would be divisive.

Dobbie has impressed, no baggage, is loved etc.
 
Granted, Critchley would be divisive but he ticks a lot of boxes. If he was given the job and Thompson and Dobbie were on his coaching staff as a sweetener for the 'Critchley's a snake brigade' I think it would make a lot of sense. Have succession planning in place, Dobbie to learn from Critchley and Thommo with the long term plan for him to take over the reins when Steven Gerrard needs a naked cleaner or it doesn't work out.

I'm sure not everyone will agree but I personally think it would make a lot of sense both in the short and long term. This is all assuming Critchley wants the job and we can afford it.

Edited to add: if that was the plan, for Dobbie to learn and be his long term successor, make it clear to the fans so everyone knows the plan and we're all singing from the same hymm sheet.
 
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If Critchley has been interviewed twice now, the board are seriously considering taking him back it looks like. Was the same way with MA last season thunk he had threw interviews and got the nod
 
HighfieldSeasider said:
Granted, Critchley would be divisive but he ticks a lot of boxes. If he was given the job and Thompson and Dobbie were on his coaching staff as a sweetener for the 'Critchley's a snake brigade' I think it would make a lot of sense. Have succession planning in place, Dobbie to learn from Critchley and Thommo with the long term plan for him to take over the reins when Steven Gerrard needs a naked cleaner or it doesn't work out.

I'm sure not everyone will agree but I personally think it would make a lot of sense both in the short and long term. This is all assuming Critchley wants the job and we can afford it.

Edited to add: if that was the plan, for Dobbie to learn and be his long term successor, make it clear to the fans so everyone knows the plan and we're all singing from the same hymm sheet.
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just laughing at the naked cleaner line. But anyway Critchley not for me ta.
 
Wonder if second interview made any mention of fan base?
Realise it's NC's vision and coaching abilities that will be scrutinised, but the Board (comprising????) should surely be mindful of the reaction of some fans who are conscious of the manner in which he left, plus the "never go back" mantra
 
FY5_Seasider said:
From a solid source. Critch has been interviewed on two seperate occasions and Charlie Adam has been interviewed also.

As of yet Dobbie hasn't been interviewed. I presume he will be now that the season has ended.

No need for the source to bullshit but I'm just passing on what I have been told.
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Thanks for sharing👍 source might be good, might not be but this is what fans forums are all about!
 
the_dog said:
Don't think I'd buy a season ticket if he returned.
Judge someone on their recent form and not their past history.
Failed miserably at QPR and interesting how their form improved once he'd left.
No from me.
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Their form didn’t improve at all, QPR has been a poisoned chalice this season and they would have been down if it wasn’t for the great run at the beginning of the season!

I wouldn’t base any managers credentials on their time at QPR - Critch was the reason we dominated league one in the second half of the season and then cruised to safety last year!

He is absolutely the best man for the job CV wise, but the waters become murky when we start bringing politics into the equation…who knows what the best option is.
 
I'd be very concerned if Critchley got the job. We saw the board's inability to read the room when MA was appointed, and this would demonstrate to me an inability to learn from past mistakes. We must stop going back to old managers, it hardly ever works and is always divisive. We need to move on from this season with a clean slate and appoint someone who the fans will be united behind.
 
Reappointing Critchley would be managerial suicide (Again) from SS in terms of reading the room and understanding the fan base.........they admitted they ballsed up totally from that perspective when they appointed Appleton,

Put bluntly Critch would be completely divisive when we're crying out for continuity and positivity and togetherness
 
Anyone know who's doing the interviews? We don't have a 'board', as there's only Simon left. Why would he need to interview Critchley twice, as Simon knows him inside out?
It's been said above 'if we can afford him' - he'd be fortunate to get an interview, never mind demanding a high salary.
Critchley failed at QPR (as stated above), failed at the end of his last season with us & left us in the lurch when he walked out without giving notice.
His appointment would split the fanbase, deliver us boring football & be an insult to Dobbs, who's been a breath of fresh air both on & off the pitch.
 
BFC_53 said:
I'd be very concerned if Critchley got the job. We saw the board's inability to read the room when MA was appointed, and this would demonstrate to me an inability to learn from past mistakes. We must stop going back to old managers, it hardly ever works and is always divisive. We need to move on from this season with a clean slate and appoint someone who the fans will be united behind.
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Yeah. He's got more experience, but that's about all you can say.

He's lost his sparkle with us fans and that connection, plus trust. Fans don't want to keep going back.
 
Dobbie now has completed his crash course in management.

He now is way more experienced than Critchley was on his arrival. Given he's actually played the game at a good level and not only that, he did it for us, so he knows exactly the pressures, fans, the club and can pass that onto the players.

His coaching methods have been praised, he's coming across well and getting a response from players.

The style is good, decent football and we even saw good pressing considering who we had available.

He has absolutely no baggage and has tons of positives the other way and lots of goodwill.
 
FY5_Seasider said:
From a solid source. Critch has been interviewed on two seperate occasions and Charlie Adam has been interviewed also.

As of yet Dobbie hasn't been interviewed. I presume he will be now that the season has ended.

No need for the source to bullshit but I'm just passing on what I have been told.
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I 'liked' your post because I believe you are being honest in what you say. That said, I wouldn't want Critchley back - lack of trust.
 
Don't want Critchley back. The manner in which he left showed he didn't care and he was a car crash at Villa and QPR.

Dobbie is clear of CA any day because of the fact he has proven himself in the last month.

IMO we should give the job to Dobbie tomorrow (let him decide the retained list) and appoint Thompson and CA as his assistants, with an overhaul of the fitness department after the sheer levels of injuries this season.
 
JJpool said:
Dobbie now has completed his crash course in management.

He now is way more experienced than Critchley was on his arrival. Given he's actually played the game at a good level and not only that, he did it for us, so he knows exactly the pressures, fans, the club and can pass that onto the players.

His coaching methods have been praised, he's coming across well and getting a response from players.

The style is good, decent football and we even saw good pressing considering who we had available.

He has absolutely no baggage and has tons of positives the other way and lots of goodwill.
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Arguably he's as experienced now as Rosenior was when he was appointed at Hull.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I 'liked' your post because I believe you are being honest in what you say. That said, I wouldn't want Critchley back - lack of trust.
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Yeah it's completely up to each individual to decide if they believe what they read. I have never put anything on here like this before. I was told it is a good source and the lad is a decent lad who passed on the info to me.

Me personally? I would appoint Dobbie today.
 
ryan21113 said:
Don't want Critchley back. The manner in which he left showed he didn't care and he was a car crash at Villa and QPR.

Dobbie is clear of CA any day because of the fact he has proven himself in the last month.

IMO we should give the job to Dobbie tomorrow (let him decide the retained list) and appoint Thompson and CA as his assistants, with an overhaul of the fitness department after the sheer levels of injuries this season.
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Dobbs, Thommo & Charlie would be a great team.
Burnley will be paying Charlie well as U21 coach (& the Jocky U 21's), but he's not exactly poor. Simon may not be able to match it, & his offer would test Charlie's long stated desire to return to the club that gave him his chance south of the border.
Thommo is currently Chief Scout/Head of Recruitment at Oldham, so a move to his home town club will be a well deserved promotion.
No disrespect to Banksy & Blinks, as they'll still retain their coaching jobs at the club.
 
Sadler loves Quitchley, Mansford wouldn't entertain him once he left like he did and my understanding is that MA was Saddler's choice, not Mansford's, so don''t be surprised if Quitchley gets the gig which will be hugely divisive yet again. Maybe Sadler wants Quitchley back with Dobb's as assistant?
 
hertfordseasider said:
Sadler loves Quitchley, Mansford wouldn't entertain him once he left like he did and my understanding is that MA was Saddler's choice, not Mansford's, so don''t be surprised if Quitchley gets the gig which will be hugely divisive yet again. Maybe Sadler wants Quitchley back with Dobb's as assistant?
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Less divisive with Dobbs as assistant. Issue is do they have the same football philosophy ?

For me as it stands this is the best combination.
 
If Critchley returned he should take out a full page apology in The Gazette and pay to sponsor 2 players in the name of AVFTT in an attempt to rekindle the fans love affair with him...! and then win the first ten games.
 
HighfieldSeasider said:
Granted, Critchley would be divisive but he ticks a lot of boxes. If he was given the job and Thompson and Dobbie were on his coaching staff as a sweetener for the 'Critchley's a snake brigade' I think it would make a lot of sense. Have succession planning in place, Dobbie to learn from Critchley and Thommo with the long term plan for him to take over the reins when Steven Gerrard needs a naked cleaner or it doesn't work out.

I'm sure not everyone will agree but I personally think it would make a lot of sense both in the short and long term. This is all assuming Critchley wants the job and we can afford it.

Edited to add: if that was the plan, for Dobbie to learn and be his long term successor, make it clear to the fans so everyone knows the plan and we're all singing from the same hymm sheet.
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'... hymn sheet'. I just hope spelling correctly is one of the many boxes he has on his CV.
 
I understand the divisive split amongst fans if Critchley was to be reappointed (Personally I see good and bad in him coming back), if and its a big if either of these two scenarios happen but this is how i would like to to be if either happened.

1 If Critchley is reappointed as Manager.

a. Dobbbie goes back to Development squad manager and is given assurances that he will be the next manager once Critchley inevitably moves on again.
b. Charlie Adam is brought in as 1 of Critchley's assistants.

2. Dobbie is appointed as Manager

a. Thommo is brought in as his assistant.
b. Charlie Adam is appointed development team manager.


Additionally i would love to see Matt Williams back as CEO, but i cant see that happening.
 
Tangerinewookiee said:
I understand the divisive split amongst fans if Critchley was to be reappointed (Personally I see good and bad in him coming back), if and its a big if either of these two scenarios happen but this is how i would like to to be if either happened.

1 If Critchley is reappointed as Manager.

a. Dobbbie goes back to Development squad manager and is given assurances that he will be the next manager once Critchley inevitably moves on again.
b. Charlie Adam is brought in as 1 of Critchley's assistants.

2. Dobbie is appointed as Manager

a. Thommo is brought in as his assistant.
b. Charlie Adam is appointed development team manager.


Additionally i would love to see Matt Williams back as CEO, but i cant see that happening.
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Why not Critchley with Dobbie as assistant ?
 
Much as CA is appreciated, nay, adored at the Pool, I do not see what extra he brings to us over Mr Dobbie. And I think Critchley would be a distraction.

Who is to say they would get on together anyway? Critchley would be aware of Adam’s status due to his history with us and might be constantly looking over his shoulder. For his part, Adam might be tempted to be a tad over-ambitious? I think there are more risks with those two than what we have now.

I think we now need positivity, calm and determined organisation and a settled management and coaching team. For that, I think Mr Dobbie and his colleagues fit the bill, they are already here, and can be augmented with a wise old head to advise.

It worked for Simon Grayson, promoted from within with Tony Parkes advising, first time around. And SG was still a player, though winding up his career, and had little coaching experience. I realise the main reason for that was Koko’s tightness with the purse strings, but it has been shown to be a good model to adopt.
 
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As for Matt Williams, Koko never made him up to CEO even though he was running things almost single-handedly. Koko kept him as Club Secretary and that is why he eventually joined Burnley... who have not done too badly over recent years.

Actually, for Charlie, at the moment I think his best option is to stay with Burnley as he learns his coaching and does all his badges. He will have the resources of a Prem club and the players they can develop. Padiham is a nice training facility.
 
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FY5_Seasider said:
Yeah it's completely up to each individual to decide if they believe what they read. I have never put anything on here like this before. I was told it is a good source and the lad is a decent lad who passed on the info to me.

Me personally? I would appoint Dobbie today.
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So....the person who passed on the info isn't the 'good source' but a 'decent lad' who passed on a rumour from someone he claims is a good source. Do you never stop and think about anything before posting second and third-hand crap?
 
1953 said:
So....the person who passed on the info isn't the 'good source' but a 'decent lad' who passed on a rumour from someone he claims is a good source. Do you never stop and think about anything before posting second and third-hand crap?
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Why did you feel the need to write that shite? You can simply ignore it. I'm just passing on what I have been told. Don't like it then simply keep it shut.
 
JJpool said:
He's also got in depth knowledge about the club, squad etc, which is a big advantage over a new candidate.
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Yeah, he's got all that, but he's only managed in games in a certain way ie nothing to really lose.

He deffo needs that exp No 2 if he gets appointed and I can't see him as asst to Critchley as he needs exp too.
 
Critchley - Even if you get past the last time he left abruptly how would we be sure he wouldn't just disappear again and leave us in the lurch as soon as he saw a better offer come his way.

No, no, no, no and definitely no !

We have no such trust issues with Dobbie amongst all the other positives he would bring 👍
 
Lala said:
Critchley - Even if you get past the last time he left abruptly how would we be sure he wouldn't just disappear again and leave us in the lurch as soon as he saw a better offer come his way.

No, no, no, no and definitely no !

We have no such trust issues with Dobbie amongst all the other positives he would bring 👍
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Yep pretty much ..plus he’s been awful elsewhere since he left…🤷‍♂️
 
the_dog said:
Don't think I'd buy a season ticket if he returned.
Judge someone on their recent form and not their past history.
Failed miserably at QPR and interesting how their form improved once he'd left.
No from me.
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Their form didn’t improve did it ?
 
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