Critch part 2

Billed said:
NO WAY signed a long term deal then walked out. His last few games as Manager of us were shocking and then he took QPR into freefall after being dismissed from Villa.
He has been exposed as ordinary at best, and none of my family will be renewing season tickets again if he was to return. Sadler needs to look forwards and realise that reappointing past managers is a recipe for failure as he has already learned not once but twice in recent years.
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Why would you ever consider Judas

What is it Simon Sadler doesn’t understand about football

Never ever invite a Judas back
 
Lot on here don’t want critchley back including me , but , we don’t actually know if critchley left because he knew what was coming this season , and he has been proved correct hasn’t he 🤷
I still say it , why leave to be an assistant, when he was head coach and had support of most fans at the time
 
Camberwell1 said:
Why would you ever consider Judas

What is it Simon Sadler doesn’t understand about football

Never ever invite a Judas back
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Judas? He left the club to take a position on a lot more money and work with Steven Gerrard. He didn't shoot Simon Sadler and then go and manage PNE.

Should he have left a letter? Yes, but other than that he didn't do much wrong. It's part of football and life that people move onto other opportunities.
 
Seaseaseasider said:
Judas? He left the club to take a position on a lot more money and work with Steven Gerrard. He didn't shoot Simon Sadler and then go and manage PNE.

Should he have left a letter? Yes, but other than that he didn't do much wrong. It's part of football and life that people move onto other opportunities.
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Its the manner of his leaving that shows his character. No class.
 
southshore said:
Its the manner of his leaving that shows his character. No class.
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As I said, he should have written a letter and we would all feel very differently about him. He didn't and that was stupid.

However, some are taking it too far in calling him Judas etc. We had two amazing seasons with him and he did fantastic for us. He should have just put out a nice statement and he didn't.
 
As others have said, never go back. He made his choice - and you can’t blame anybody for wanting a bigger pay day - but the manner in which he left showed no respect either for the man who’d given him the chance or the supporters who sang his name. Please listen to the fans this time Simon.

I wouldn’t go for Charlie Adam either, maybe as a number 2 but not as coach. I’d prefer someone who has no previous relationship here, a clean slate (but NOT Darren Ferguson, who apparently is likely to leave Posh). Luke Williams is a good call, but if SS is determined to have a Blackpool old boy in charge, how about Barry Ferguson? He took Kelty Hearts into the Scottish League, left them for Alloa and has got them into the Play Off positions. I always liked him at Bloomfield Road.
 
NC's time at BR has come and gone, need to look forward not back. Dobbie a good call to see the season out.
 
Shiggy said:
Is this not a problem with our supporters rather than the board?
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I don't think we're any better or worse than most fanbases.

I think it's fair enough that people wouldn't be as patient with a manager who disappeared in the night. His sudden departure was the what set in motion this woeful season, so of course portions of the fanbase aren't going to immediately welcome him back with open arms - if he then gets off to a poor start, we're back to square one.
 
Tangerine Manc said:
Lot on here don’t want critchley back including me , but , we don’t actually know if critchley left because he knew what was coming this season , and he has been proved correct hasn’t he 🤷
I still say it , why leave to be an assistant, when he was head coach and had support of most fans at the time
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Because he tripled his wage with less responsibility and was working with top players?

I've never understood the angst and sense of jilted bride you get on here.

I'd be happy if he came back. It would prove he didn't know what was coming for one thing.
 
TangerineMatt said:
Attention seeking if you don't want him back
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Naive to think he could just return and it'll all be dandy. There's no guarantee he'd be a success again and he'd have a huge amount of pressure to get instant results, whereas before he was almost untouchable in terms of fan opinion. We conceded a last minute winner against West Brom and we sang him off the pitch like a hero, that's gone.

We've all been slagging off the board for making the same stupid mistake of going back, now I'm seeing some of the most anti-Mansford people going asking him to make the exact same mistake again. It'll be absolute madness if they haven't learnt and I'm surprised to see fans haven't either.

We need a fresh start and a rebuild.
 
No…..not for me……will always be grateful for what he achieved with us but he went ( I changed the word) off at the first opportunity and is one of the reasons leading to this seasons debacle….so no thank you.
 
There is no loyalty in football these days it’s as simple as that.wasn’t he offered life changing money at Villa?he’s got a family ffs do some honestly believe he’d pass that opportunity over on that kind of money to stay here?I don’t care what happened at QPR he got us back into the Championship and that’s what we need next season so he’ll do for me.in fact I’d be disappointed if the club haven’t spoke to him.
 
SeasideTizz said:
There is no loyalty in football these days it’s as simple as that.wasn’t he offered life changing money at Villa?he’s got a family ffs do some honestly believe he’d pass that opportunity over on that kind of money to stay here?I don’t care what happened at QPR he got us back into the Championship and that’s what we need next season so he’ll do for me.in fact I’d be disappointed if the club haven’t spoke to him.
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My heart bleeds

Let’s have a Charity gig for St Critch

Signed
Pilot
 
Seaseaseasider said:
Judas? He left the club to take a position on a lot more money and work with Steven Gerrard. He didn't shoot Simon Sadler and then go and manage PNE.

Should he have left a letter? Yes, but other than that he didn't do much wrong. It's part of football and life that people move onto other opportunities.
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Oh that’s alright then

You know actions speak much more than kissing badges, clapping mugs like us and pretending you are on a Mission

If Judas Critchley’s dereliction of duty is what I should expect being a fan then I won’t be one - I have never ever done a day’s work without integrity, consideration for others and most of all trying to do my best for clients - if these Vaal use are misplaced then I have no wish to be associated with the Club or Sport

What Judas did breaks my Soul and shame on all those that think that’s ‘Alright’
 
Would have him back in a heartbeat. The arguments against his return are either childish or foolish.

Look at it in isolation.

Young talented coach. History of success in League 1 and with getting the most out of a small Championship budget. Very clear habit for developing players. Well thought of by players and coaches already at BFC. Knows club, staff, resources and facilities. Knows exactly what the clubs priorities are for the next 5-10 years. Will give youth players minutes on the pitch. Will work with development and academy coaches to create joined up pathways. Also… has something to prove. Now recognises the grass isn’t necessarily always greener. Likely doesn’t need the money as much anymore. Will be less likely to leave after success than any other coach likely will.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I'd happily have him back from a personal perspective, I think the bloke is an absolute genius and was one of the most meticulous managers that we have ever had. I think the players would all 100% agree that they have never been better prepared for individual games than they were under little Pep.

That said, you always have to account for the idiot factor and yesterday we saw how the idiots can turn on a sixpence and undermine everything... So I'm afraid it would require either a very well orchestrated PR campaign to try and get the idiots on-side or we'd probably be best just looking elsewhere.
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Backing for Critch (BFCx3)

I agree that Critch was a very good coach at Blackpool and he definitely developed players and was just what we needed at the time. However he was still on a steep learning curve to becoming a good Manager when he unexpectedly left us. His spells at Villa and QPR since he walked out on us have been disastrous and the challenge at Blackpool is even greater this time around. Arguably how Critch left us is worse than how Appleton left us first time around and there is no reason not to think that there wouldn’t be a backlash from the fans if Critch was to be reappointed. Critch wears his heart on his sleeve, he is not thick skinned and he doesn’t handle criticism well so it doesn’t bode well for Critch and Blackpool if he wasn’t able to deliver some early success. There are also the trust issues with Ben & Simon and after taking everything into account I think Critch is too high a risk an appointment for me.
 
TommyHutch said:
As others have said, never go back. He made his choice - and you can’t blame anybody for wanting a bigger pay day - but the manner in which he left showed no respect either for the man who’d given him the chance or the supporters who sang his name. Please listen to the fans this time Simon.

I wouldn’t go for Charlie Adam either, maybe as a number 2 but not as coach. I’d prefer someone who has no previous relationship here, a clean slate (but NOT Darren Ferguson, who apparently is likely to leave Posh). Luke Williams is a good call, but if SS is determined to have a Blackpool old boy in charge, how about Barry Ferguson? He took Kelty Hearts into the Scottish League, left them for Alloa and has got them into the Play Off positions. I always liked him at Bloomfield Road.
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It would certainly add spice to the Fylde coast derby.
 
Roy Kent said:
actually the most worrying part of that is ‘…decision made in the Summer…’??

total failure if that is the case. New manager MUST be in place almost immediately after the season finishes. There is a ton of work to be done and we CANNOT waste another Transfer Window.

And I’ve no idea why I’m speaking in italics….
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EMPHASIS!
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Nothing above Conference National actually but also a relegation from it too…
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So he isn’t about to take Stockport to back to back promotions then? I think you’ll find Jim Bentley took Fylde down after taking over in the October. He then went to Hartlepool and took them up.
 
Ball on Fire said:
Backing for Critch (BFCx3)

I agree that Critch was a very good coach at Blackpool and he definitely developed players and was just what we needed at the time. However he was still on a steep learning curve to becoming a good Manager when he unexpectedly left us. His spells at Villa and QPR since he walked out on us have been disastrous and the challenge at Blackpool is even greater this time around. Arguably how Critch left us is worse than how Appleton left us first time around and there is no reason not to think that there wouldn’t be a backlash from the fans if Critch was to be reappointed. Critch wears his heart on his sleeve, he is not thick skinned and he doesn’t handle criticism well so it doesn’t bode well for Critch and Blackpool if he wasn’t able to deliver some early success. There are also the trust issues with Ben & Simon and after taking everything into account I think Critch is too high a risk an appointment for me.
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1. He wasn’t the manager at Villa

2. QPR is a basket case
 
Ormergod said:
Critchley is largely responsible for the total loss of confidence this squad is now going through.I wouldn’t want him back anywhere near the place.

Putting that aside,would things be like they were?im not sure.The players wouldn’t respect him now like they did then.That betrayal would always be present and a couple of losses the fans will quickly turn on him.

Not for me.Take some time to identify how we want to play as a club,what is our style and philosophy,what players do we need to bring in to play that style and who is the right man long term for that project.Sadler won’t want to gain this sacking reputation that is creeping in and the sackings he has made were totally justified but on paper they start indicating that Sadler is trigger happy when he really hasn’t been.If anything he is reluctant to pull the trigger but only we know that by living it every week.
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Mccarthy wasn't sacked.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
1. He wasn’t the manager at Villa

2. QPR is a basket case
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No chance of Critch ever being the Manager at Villa, they didn’t even offer him the Caretaker role when Gerrard was sacked. Ultimately Critch was a very poor replacement at Villa for Michael Beale and that is what cost Gerrard his job at Villa. It will be interesting to see if Gerrard comes back for Critch when he gets his next job, I don’t think he will. Yes I agree QPR was a difficult job but I expected Critch to do a lot better and on a scale of 1 to 10, he struggles to get more than a 1 for me. You say QPR is a basket case when there is no bigger basket case than Blackpool at this point in time.
 
Ball on Fire said:
No chance of Critch ever being the Manager at Villa, they didn’t even offer him the Caretaker role when Gerrard was sacked. Ultimately Critch was a very poor replacement at Villa for Michael Beale and that is what cost Gerrard his job at Villa. It will be interesting to see if Gerrard comes back for Critch when he gets his next job, I don’t think he will. Yes I agree QPR was a difficult job but I expected Critch to do a lot better and on a scale of 1 to 10, he struggles to get more than a 1 for me. You say QPR is a basket case when there is no bigger basket case than Blackpool at this point in time.
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I’m sorry mate, but you’re just making stuff up to suit here. Gerrard has to carry the can for his own failure at Villa.

Critchley got a point a game at QPR… They’ve managed 3 points from 10 games since.
 
I don't buy into he left because he knew what was coming. He left because an opportunity to work direct in the PL and x times his wage came up. Sure, he probably had an idea that money was tighter, but would have been reeled in with the Oystonesque type tactics of bidding high for players in the hope of not signing them. Or, worse, if they agree fees find some sort of medical excuse.

I wouldn't want him, but I can understand why others do and why he's been asked. I certainly wouldn't touch him without a perm. No 2 (not a 'fancy a job till something better comes along Col/Stu?') and Thommo would be my choice.

Overall though, there has to be better options, because just like I said with MA, fans will be on a short tolerance fuse and that never ends well.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m sorry mate, but you’re just making stuff up to suit here. Gerrard has to carry the can for his own failure at Villa.

Critchley got a point a game at QPR… They’ve managed 3 points from 10 games since.
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Yes of course Gerrard had to carry the can, he has been out of work ever since. Gerrard will now fully appreciate the importance of his Number 2, Michael Beale was on a completely different level than Critch. There must have been a very good reason why Critch was sacked so soon after taking the QPR job, I thought he had won only won 1 game and the results at home were terrible. Appleton also averaged a point a game this season before he was sacked but the Club were in a downward spiral and not even an internationally respected Manager who had 30 years and more than 1000 games experience and who had recently managed in the Championship could turn the situation around. The one guarantee is that neither Villa or QPR would welcome Critchley back in any capacity and surprisingly even Liverpool haven’t come calling.
 
Ball on Fire said:
Yes of course Gerrard had to carry the can, he has been out of work ever since. Gerrard will now fully appreciate the importance of his Number 2, Michael Beale was on a completely different level than Critch. There must have been a very good reason why Critch was sacked so soon after taking the QPR job, I thought he had won only won 1 game and the results at home were terrible. Appleton also averaged a point a game this season before he was sacked but the Club were in a downward spiral and not even an internationally respected Manager who had 30 years and more than 1000 games experience and who had recently managed in the Championship could turn the situation around. The one guarantee is that neither Villa or QPR would welcome Critchley back in any capacity and surprisingly even Liverpool haven’t come calling.
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Michael Beale also only averaged around 1 point per game over a similar number of games to Critch at QPR before leaving.... The writing there was on the wall and Critch had to take over after the upheaval of a manager leaving. As for Michael Beale... He might be on a different level (i've got absolutely no idea, but he seems to be doing OK at Rangers) ... Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp are both on a different level too... I'm struggling to understand quite how that impacts on NC's ability to be successful as the Blackpool Manager though.... Perhaps you could outline your logic?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Michael Beale also only averaged around 1 point per game over a similar number of games to Critch at QPR before leaving.... The writing there was on the wall and Critch had to take over after the upheaval of a manager leaving. As for Michael Beale... He might be on a different level (i've got absolutely no idea, but he seems to be doing OK at Rangers) ... Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp are both on a different level too... I'm struggling to understand quite how that impacts on NC's ability to be successful as the Blackpool Manager though.... Perhaps you could outline your logic?
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If only for the sake of your own personal credibility on AVFTT you need to “ Ditch the Critch “ suggestion that Critch should be reappointed as BFC Manager.

Critch has one of the worst records of any Manager in the Championship this season. He was given a 3.5 year contract at QPR and was sacked after only 70 days, Critch achieved just 1 win in 11 League games, not even 1 win at home and delivered just 8 points from those 11 games plus QPR were knocked out of the FA Cup by little old Fleetwood. Even McCarthy delivered 9 points in 13 games and was at Blackpool longer (80 days) so that tells you how far Critch’s stock has fallen since he left Blackpool. Critch will have been out of work for more than 100 days since he left Blackpool less than a year ago. There is nothing I have seen since Critch left Blackpool that gives me any confidence that he could ever be successful on that scale at Blackpool again. Blackpool was his first managerial job but his personality changed during the time he was with us and he became more arrogant and prickly. He would come back to Blackpool with considerable baggage and trust issues that would be very difficult for him to overcome. I wouldn’t go back there, far too high a risk. I’m not saying Critch is a completely busted flush but his confidence and self belief must now be at an all time low and we need somebody on a high not a low who is going to lift the whole Club and Critch is definitely not that man.

I don‘t believe that the writing was on the wall at QPR, it was a great opportunity for Critch and he completely blew it. You kept saying the same about McCarthy after he took over from Appleton but look at what Warnock has achieved at Huddersfield recently and also the new Manager at Rotherham. McCarthy was a bad appointment by Blackpool and so must Critch have been at QPR to be sacked less than 3 months into a 3.5 year contract.
 
Ball on Fire said:
If only for the sake of your own personal credibility on AVFTT you need to “ Ditch the Critch “ suggestion that Critch should be reappointed as BFC Manager.

Critch has one of the worst records of any Manager in the Championship this season. He was given a 3.5 year contract at QPR and was sacked after only 70 days, Critch achieved just 1 win in 11 League games, not even 1 win at home and delivered just 8 points from those 11 games plus QPR were knocked out of the FA Cup by little old Fleetwood. Even McCarthy delivered 9 points in 13 games and was at Blackpool longer (80 days) so that tells you how far Critch’s stock has fallen since he left Blackpool. Critch will have been out of work for more than 100 days since he left Blackpool less than a year ago. There is nothing I have seen since Critch left Blackpool that gives me any confidence that he could ever be successful on that scale at Blackpool again. Blackpool was his first managerial job but his personality changed during the time he was with us and he became more arrogant and prickly. He would come back to Blackpool with considerable baggage and trust issues that would be very difficult for him to overcome. I wouldn’t go back there, far too high a risk. I’m not saying Critch is a completely busted flush but his confidence and self belief must now be at an all time low and we need somebody on a high not a low who is going to lift the whole Club and Critch is definitely not that man.

I don‘t believe that the writing was on the wall at QPR, it was a great opportunity for Critch and he completely blew it. You kept saying the same about McCarthy after he took over from Appleton but look at what Warnock has achieved at Huddersfield recently and also the new Manager at Rotherham. McCarthy was a bad appointment by Blackpool and so must Critch have been at QPR to be sacked less than 3 months into a 3.5 year contract.
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Firstly... I haven't suggested that Critch should be appointed as Manager of Blackpool FC (so let's just get that clear, before you go on to misquote me, like you have with regard to McCarthy)... What I have said, however is that from a personal point of view that I wouldn't have a problem with the appointment of Critchley.

I actually see his so called 'Stock' having fallen as a result of his boss failing and then him being sacked after 70 Days from Club that is clearly all over the show as an advantage. I suspect it will have an impact on his choices moving forward and influence him to value the security of life at a supportive Club like ours.
 
People suggesting it's only poor reasons people don't want him back may be right.

But the fact is probably half the fanbase don't want him back and wouldn't trust him to the same level.

Infact none of us would trust the compliments, fist pumping, love signs etc.

Obviously if he won games he could win people back but its more likely to go wrong than before and ehen we lose we won't be singing to thr same level as last time.

It was pure last time, you can't fake that sort of connection from fans.

I think we should see how Dobbie does and either go that route or someone new, otherwise we're again potentially falling into the going back mistake.
 
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