Critch v holloway

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22abus

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So Olly was the most successful manager in my time of watching pool, but u always felt he thought he was better than us and it was all about him. Like he was doing us a favour. Never really engaged with us.

The Critch has a massive connection with us, something Olly never had despite the success.
Really don’t know why but has a bit of humility about himself and understands what we went through.

More like Billy Ayre than king Billy himself - and that’s a massive tribute.

brilliant times to be a Seasiders
 
Chalk and cheese. Holloway inherited a talented and under appreciated squad, and under appreciated by the club owners who were at the end of the day running a third rate property business. I think Holloway was a seat of his pants kind of manager, generally went with gut feeling and motivated the players by building a them against the world, including the owners from what I've read. Critch along with the owners I think are much more considered. It's actually difficult to align where the club was under Holloway despite the success with where it is now. I just couldn't imagine Holloway developing a player like Marv for example or Gabriel or a host of others.
I used to like Holloway's insane press conferences but again I couldn't imagine him thinking more than a couple of games into the future.
I might be reading more into things but there seems to be a proper 5 to 10 year plan in place and I think NC is part of that planning.
The football in some respects is better now than then. Holloway's hell for leather was very entertaining, but the second half against Reading was probably the best football I've seen Blackpool play since maybe the Walsh, Hatton, days
 
If Holloway had kept his trap shut instead of moaning at the fans about the board I'd have more respect for the man.

I'll always be grateful for what he did here but I can't stand the bloke now.

Critchley is with the fans, we're all singing from the same sheet. There's definitely a connection that I've not seen since Billy Ayre
 
Alfie Conn said:
Holloway we were lucky enough to appoint at the zenith of his managerial career,a firecracker whose fizz and bluster could only last for so long before the fire went out,genius as it was while it was burning. Critchley is a different animal, a thinker, a quiet motivator, a contemplator and built to last the course.
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100% agree on Holloway as the bright burning flame that couldn't last. He was never much of a tactician; he got his players thinking they could beat anyone, went recklessly gung-ho, and had them winning matches on sheer force of will. He'd say bonkers shit at pressers like "we won't stop them from scoring so we'll just have to score more", and somehow it worked. When he left for Palace he said that he couldn't keep giving the same locker room talk over and over and over and have it keep working. That, more than anything, underlines the difference between him and Critch.
 
For me Holloway made us successful BECAUSE of who he was. Critchley is doing well for us BECAUSE of who he is. Chalk and cheese but the same reason.
 
Difficult to compare as they have completely different methods. Holloway was the right person at the right time, whereas Critchley is building something more long term, although he has miles better owners to work with. I think Critchley will ultimately prove to be the better manager (in his career, not necessarily just with us), but I don't think anyone will ever do more for us than Holloway did when you consider that the miracle Prem promotion was the catalyst for getting rid of 'them'.
 
coloradoan said:
100% agree on Holloway as the bright burning flame that couldn't last. He was never much of a tactician; he got his players thinking they could beat anyone, went recklessly gung-ho, and had them winning matches on sheer force of will. He'd say bonkers shit at pressers like "we won't stop them from scoring so we'll just have to score more", and somehow it worked. When he left for Palace he said that he couldn't keep giving the same locker room talk over and over and over and have it keep working. That, more than anything, underlines the difference between him and Critch.
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A good post, but to say Holloway was never much of a tactician isn’t right. There’s a video somewhere that shows how Holloway set us up against Cardiff, and is absolute genius and almost brought a tear to my eye.
Agreed he wasn’t perfect in the Premier League, but we never would have got there without him.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
The football in some respects is better now than then. Holloway's hell for leather was very entertaining, but the second half against Reading was probably the best football I've seen Blackpool play since maybe the Walsh, Hatton, days
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We played well at Reading but best football since the 70s? I don't think so.
 
Critch carries the flag in the spirit of King Billy. Two managers, one who understood, another who understands what we are about. We were lucky to have King Billy and we are equally lucky to have Critch, who will go on to great things. In my view this is the time of times to be a Seasider 🏝️
 
clappers said:
I kind of get you, but there is a bit of revisionism about Holloway….. that speech to the masses on the promenade parade after the Prem promotion looked like there was a connection. I felt connected anyway.
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That speech where he rambled on about regretting leaving former clubs for better offers 🤨

As soon as a better offer came in he was off again.

Nothing to do with working under the Oystons. He’d have stayed alright if no one else came in with a cash and ego boost injection that took his fancy.

I‘ve no problem with that in itself, just with the total hypocrisy and fake loyalty he proclaimed.

Give me Critch every time. Even if our form isn’t sustained at least he’s led us with honesty and integrity.
 
Lala said:
That speech where he rambled on about regretting leaving former clubs for better offers 🤨

As soon as a better offer came in he was off again.

Nothing to do with working under the Oystons. He’d have stayed alright if no one else came in with a cash and ego boost injection that took his fancy.

I‘ve no problem with that in itself, just with the total hypocrisy and fake loyalty he proclaimed.

Give me Critch every time. Even if our form isn’t sustained at least he’s led us with honesty and integrity.
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seasiderjohn said:
olly great man manager but tactically inept Thommo was his tactition showed how poor he could be with his substitutions just take the Everton game as a perfect example
critch is a great coach and a great tactical manager
both will go down as legends
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That tactician doesn’t some to be lifting trees at Preston?
 
seasiderjohn said:
olly great man manager but tactically inept Thommo was his tactition showed how poor he could be with his substitutions just take the Everton game as a perfect example
critch is a great coach and a great tactical manager
both will go down as legends
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If you mean Everton away I agree with you.

Can't remember who he took off but we ended 3-2 up, he made bizarre subs (Rob Edwards came on...doh!) and we lost 5-3
 
Olly gave us the dream we had waited a lifetime for and we took the Premier by storm. We were everybody's favourite other team. I'll love the bones of the man till I die. So no slagging off for me. Critchley though is a different sort of manager and if it was in my power to give him a 10 year contract I would do it within the next five minutes. If he is here for the long term we will return to the prem under his management.
 
Another Ollie - Critch comparison:

They both appreciate the value of setting out a team to attack.

Too many draws just kill you. Look at PNE. Better to go for it. Win Lose Win Lose kind of mentality. Except it doesn’t work out quite like that, because the wins actually instil confidence - especially when you can do it against the likes of Fulham.

So many times already this season we’ve see Pool players piling forward with 10 mins to go. Other teams and other managers would be “happy with a point”, encouraging time wasting and other shïtehouse tactics from the prehistoric coach book. Parking the metaphorical bus. Not Ollie and certainly not Critchley either. Also helps to have a strong bench with quick, tricky players’ to introduce when the opposition are flagging after the hour mark.
Exciting times. 😎
 
Lala said:
That speech where he rambled on about regretting leaving former clubs for better offers 🤨

As soon as a better offer came in he was off again.

Nothing to do with working under the Oystons. He’d have stayed alright if no one else came in with a cash and ego boost injection that took his fancy.

I‘ve no problem with that in itself, just with the total hypocrisy and fake loyalty he proclaimed.

Give me Critch every time. Even if our form isn’t sustained at least he’s led us with honesty and integrity.
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I disagree with you. He was no way perfect, but where's the appreciation of what he gave us, and how difficult it was doing that in an Oyston regime that was greed overdrive?

You can moralise all you like but the guy gave us the most incredible time. And he gave heart and soul to do it. Lots of self in there, of course, but we all benefitted, and the players had their careers turned into gold.

Bit of gratitude wouldn't go amiss, imo.
 
22abus said:
So Olly was the most successful manager in my time of watching pool, but u always felt he thought he was better than us and it was all about him. Like he was doing us a favour. Never really engaged with us.

The Critch has a massive connection with us, something Olly never had despite the success.
Really don’t know why but has a bit of humility about himself and understands what we went through.

More like Billy Ayre than king Billy himself - and that’s a massive tribute.

brilliant times to be a Seasiders
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Bollocks mate, utter...
 
L’étranger said:
A good post, but to say Holloway was never much of a tactician isn’t right. There’s a video somewhere that shows how Holloway set us up against Cardiff, and is absolute genius and almost brought a tear to my eye.
Agreed he wasn’t perfect in the Premier League, but we never would have got there without him.
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Yeah, fair point. I'm not saying he was inept, just pretty one dimensional.

I love that "masterclass" video... he basically says that the plan was to always have a winger up high when out of possession, ready to have play switched to them, and he figured he could create an overload because they had a striker who was "lazy and didn't want to run back and defend" 🤣
 
Think Critch is better at identifying players and coaching and having a strategy
I remember Holloway let his wife identify players, and signed the likes of Malaury Martin and a Maltese International, but he did get the very best out of the players available, though we did seem to run out of steam for last 10 minutes or so.
He did not have the same level of boardroom support as Critch gets, and still managed to create some unbelievable memories.
 
Holloway gave us all the best trip, and we should be grateful for that. Unfortunately in the last few years he has become a media whore, and seems to live of past glories. As has been said, he had a decent team to walk into. Critch would kill for a midfield of Adam, Vaughan and Southern.

Critch has pretty much rebuilt the club from the roots up. He is very good tactically and gets every ounce out of the players. We could defo get another go at the Prem, and with Critchly in charge, I feel we would give it a better go.
 
tangysider said:
Think Critch is better at identifying players and coaching and having a strategy
I remember Holloway let his wife identify players, and signed the likes of Malaury Martin and a Maltese International, but he did get the very best out of the players available, though we did seem to run out of steam for last 10 minutes or so.
He did not have the same level of boardroom support as Critch gets, and still managed to create some unbelievable memories.
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the fact that holloway did what he did working for the scum is an amazing feat.

I think a Holloway team yesterday would have been battered, although in the PL we played quite a few seriously good reargaurd type games his attitude would have been let in three score 4. Critch i think knows when to bolster a team, although it has backfired a couple of times.

I would also say that Holloways time at blackpool was his peak performance as a manager, he had a decent team, he had good coaches aound him. Critch is just starting out, and i think many would agree he's still learning, but f*ck, he learns quickly. We rarely repeat tactical errors. we have the odd bad game, or bad half game.
 
seasiderjohn said:
think he took forwards of DJ etc and brought gnashers and edwards on if memory serves me right
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i rember watching that game whilst visiting my dad in Benidorm, there was a dutch couple sat on the next table who'd wandered in thinking the pub was showing a Holland game, i was jumping all over the bar when the charlie adam header went in, such a downer when we lost, the dutch guy ended up paying for mine and my dads drinks he felt so sorry for me.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
I think so, its an opinion, i dont think ive looked forward to every Pool game as much as i do now
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Yeah cool. It's just opinion. I think we played great at Reading, but I think we've played better football probably. Perfect ten springs to mind, and some of the Ollie games. Forest away for example.
 
I'm not sure holloway would have got us out of L1 and then out of the championship to the prem as well - like critch will do 😎

I loved holloway at the time though, what he achieved was utterly insane.

We will never know who is the better manager, both are/were great for us! And we don't know if someone with some more money comes snapping critch might just jump ship as well, although I hope not!
 
Costero Poderoso said:
Chalk and cheese. Holloway inherited a talented and under appreciated squad, and under appreciated by the club owners who were at the end of the day running a third rate property business. I think Holloway was a seat of his pants kind of manager, generally went with gut feeling and motivated the players by building a them against the world, including the owners from what I've read. Critch along with the owners I think are much more considered. It's actually difficult to align where the club was under Holloway despite the success with where it is now. I just couldn't imagine Holloway developing a player like Marv for example or Gabriel or a host of others.
I used to like Holloway's insane press conferences but again I couldn't imagine him thinking more than a couple of games into the future.
I might be reading more into things but there seems to be a proper 5 to 10 year plan in place and I think NC is part of that planning.
The football in some respects is better now than then. Holloway's hell for leather was very entertaining, but the second half against Reading was probably the best football I've seen Blackpool play since maybe the Walsh, Hatton, days
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walsh and hatton days were awesome but having billy cartemell as chairman killed us sacking allan brown after beating t'rovers and charlton at home think 5-2 and 5-0 he was on a par with the stains.
remember visiting the dressing room and a drawing on the wall of a hideous dwarflike monster supposed to be billy cartmell with the caption
WELCOME MR WALDRON TO BLACKPOOL regarding blackpools new signing alan waldron.
showed what the players thought of cartmell
 
seasiderjohn said:
walsh and hatton days were awesome but having billy cartemell as chairman killed us sacking allan brown after beating t'rovers and charlton at home think 5-2 and 5-0 he was on a par with the stains.
remember visiting the dressing room and a drawing on the wall of a hideous dwarflike monster supposed to be billy cartmell with the caption
WELCOME MR WALDRON TO BLACKPOOL regarding blackpools new signing alan waldron.
showed what the players thought of cartmell
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theres an interesting point, cartmell was a cnut, i think the game though was a bit different then, in terms of its overall management. he was also the one responsible for bringing in the Scum i think. this is the first time in maybe fifty years when the club has someone at the helm who has both the club's and the town's interest at heart.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
theres an interesting point, cartmell was a cnut, i think the game though was a bit different then, in terms of its overall management. he was also the one responsible for bringing in the Scum i think. this is the first time in maybe fifty years when the club has someone at the helm who has both the club's and the town's interest at heart.
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we are still awaiting our payment dividend from when the fans collected to buy Andy Watson lol
 
Personally, despite his achievements, I was never an Ollie fan (that's him not his football). Found him an arrogant, smug, self fulfilling arse wipe if I'm honest. Critch is one of the most genuine men in football.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
theres an interesting point, cartmell was a cnut, i think the game though was a bit different then, in terms of its overall management. he was also the one responsible for bringing in the Scum i think. this is the first time in maybe fifty years when the club has someone at the helm who has both the club's and the town's interest at heart.
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Wasn't Ken Chadwick the one responsible for inflicting the Stains on us?.
 
We were fortunate to have Olly as a manager who achieved way beyond the budget he was given and represented our club with pride. Sure, there was no plan b but with a little more investment we could have had another season in the PL. His support for the oystons though understandably upset fans and did him no favours. In Critchley we have a very exciting manager who again has achieved astonishing things in such a short period. Sadly would not be surprised if a so called bigger team comes in for him soon.
 
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