Critchley cost us 3 points or saved us 1?

Wrong starting line up although First 10 mins we were comfortable, then the 2 quick goals with the defence parting.
fair play he got it right at half time then fooped it up with the subs with 10 mins left, we were comfortable and in control.
i’d have taken a point being 2 down but should have taken the 3
 
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Seemed like a lot of unnecessary faff-arseing about to end up with a point to me.

Not sure why Critchley deemed it a sensible move to take Dembele away from a position between midfield and attack when he was winning fouls with nearly every touch. Negative move when most of their energy was being used up trying to stop him. Did he think there was 10 seconds left in the 80th minute of a game with loads of stoppages?

His defensive subs always remind me of the Fast Show sketch with the guy who takes over the slot machine because he's an expert. And then loses your money by pressing random buttons because he doesn't actually know what he's doing.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Anyone who's being honest would have taken a look at that starting line up tonight and had that sinking feeling of inevitability. They started the game fired up and ready to win and we just looked shell shocked yet again... We weren't terrible on the whole in the first half, but it's not quite working with Kouassi right now, likewise Oakley Boothe.

Unfortunately, I think the temptation to launch the long hopeful ball to Kouassi gets the better of us when he's involved.

Miles better second half, but nonetheless we've got to be able to make those kind of substitutions at the end of a game and close it out professionally (nothing wrong with making the subs, it's the right thing to do).
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Shouldn’t have made the defensive subs should have closed the game out by scoring again which we would have.
 
All this supposition about Dembélé being unable to last 90 minutes, eh? It seems false logic to me.

Dembélé came on for the 2nd half and played 58 minutes (45 + 13 added mins). If he had started the match he would have played just 50 mins (45 + 5) then would have had 15 minutes rest.

I reckon we should be able to get 70+ mins out of Dembélé and more if he takes a few minutes breather every now and then.

It must be that Critchley thinks he is more effective against a tiring opposition, but our team has to adapt when he comes on instead of all starting sharply on the front foot with a fresh Dembélé. It’s getting more and more strange.
 
Cost us 3. We are a better team than Fleetwood, it's really that simple, and leaving a player on the bench who frankly would walk into any team in this league, is criminal.
I've read that Dembele isn't favoured because he doesn't have defensive discipline, but if the teams defensive discipline is all over the place anyway, then you might as well put a decent attacker on. Besides which, I'd say he offers more battle and workrate in midfield than OB does.

Carey and Dembele absolutely ran the show in the second half, and that is exactly what we should be expecting of those two this season. Carey lost the ball for their third, but there's a huge difference between the manner in which he lost it vs the manner he lost it against Peterborough. In that game, he played a shocking ball across our own box resulting in us giving a pen away. Tonight, he lost it by trying to be positive and thread a through ball, and he was an inch away from putting us through for a fourth. After that, it's up to the defence to defend properly and see the game out.

We won't make any progress this season until Critchley recognises that our opposition this season is generally much poorer than us, and he puts his faith in our best players. We do not need to set up in games against the likes of Fleetwood like we're playing Man City and we need to limit the damage from the outset.
 
Northstandsinger said:
Then we’re going nowhere fast because we can’t do it, we made defensive subs at Charlton and fucked it.
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We’ve got ti learn to do it and it’s not just at the end of the game either… There’s also going to inevitably be periods within the game where the opposition gets on top and starts to build momentum and you’ve got to be able to take the sting out of that, slow the pace of the game… and engage in the dark arts as McCarthy might have put it…. See Peterborough on Saturday… every time we tried ti build any momentum they’re using every opportunity to frustrate…
 
Got wrong lineup, again, but turned it around but let’s be honest he didn’t really have a choice. Was in complete control then went defensive again. 2 points dropped.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
We’ve got ti learn to do it and it’s not just at the end of the game either… There’s also going to inevitably be periods within the game where the opposition gets on top and starts to build momentum and you’ve got to be able to take the sting out of that, slow the pace of the game… and engage in the dark arts as McCarthy might have put it…. See Peterborough on Saturday… every time we tried ti build any momentum they’re using every opportunity to frustrate…
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I really don’t think Critchley needs any encouragement to slow the pace of a game we play like bloody snails already most of the time. Dark arts my arse, attack teams be brave and we will win far more than we lose/draw in this league
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
How the fuck can you start Kouassi over Lavery. It was a joke against Peterborough but the way the game changed then, you'd think he would learn. He persists with under performing players and keeps players performing well on the bench.

I will never relate to him which is why I get so easily frustrated.
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People tell you that his big plan is to rotate the squad so that everyone an fit in like a giant jigsaw.

I think the truth is that he doesn't have the guts or the temperament to tell a lot of players that they aren't playing. He hasn't got it in him. Trying to keep everyone happy.

Whilst we hemorrhage points: "You'll all get a game lads. I promise. I got the missus to do a rota"
 
Chunkylad said:
He cost us 2 points really with the starting line up.

I understand why he’s scared to play the team that started the second half but it’s a far superior option to tbf one from the first half.

Norburn is needed desperately so he has the confidence to start the second half team
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I have no problem with us playing 3 5 2 but without Norburn and with Carey and OB being two of the three in midfield, and Hamilton and Dale being the wingbacks it was either a brave or a stupid starting 11.
Dembele and Lavery should've started in a flexible 4 4 2 which easily changes to 3 5 2 when we have possession.
OB and Dale don't start, we know he wants to start Hamilton and Carey so this is how we should have lined up.
Grimshaw
Lyons Ekpiteta Pennington Husband
Dembele Dougall Carey Hamilton
Rhodes Lavery

When we have the ball Lyons move up the right flank and Dembele drifts in behind the front two. When we lose the ball he drops back and Dembele moves across, two lines of four.
When Norburn is fit again he comes back into centre mid and we can go back to a 3 5 2 with Dembele and and Carey competing for the number 10 position.
If he had to start as 3 5 2 last night then Morgan should always be starting ahead of OB simply because he is a better player.
 
Shiggy said:
I think it absolutely was.

Lavery is excellent at chasing down and pressing (Kouassi isn’t) and because of Lavery we retained/won back possession more frequently in the final third.

As for Dembele, when he’s on the pitch it makes the opposition think about dealing with us rather than the other way round (which is how it should be almost every game). Fleetwood couldn’t handle him second half and went into a shell.
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Yes, and I can agree with that scenario & I also agree with your assessment of Dembele & Shane totally.
But I don’t think either of them have 90 minutes in their legs at the moment & are both absolutely suited to come on as game changers & finishers.
The manager should rightly expect that the players he selected to start the game should/could defend better than they did.
By the way, we conceded 1 and it could have been 2 when both Shane & Dembele were tearing it up in the 2nd half…
 
For the sake of a little balance we were 2 down away from home in a derby at half time .
They equalised with well taken goal in the 90 th minute - it feels like 2 points dropped .Again fine margins .
We have no idea what NC is seeing on training pitch in terms of aptitude, attitude and team work .
Still i understand the frustration and suspect it is shared by the manager and players
 
Don't change it, simple. Best form of defence is attack, and they can't score if they haven't got the ball. Keep the ball high up the pitch, or in their half at least. Our decision making on the ball is ** terrible too, crossing woeful. It's not good enough and why we only have half a game in us(0-45, 25-70, 45-90) I don't know
 
Jdseacidre81 said:
Don't change it, simple. Best form of defence is attack, and they can't score if they haven't got the ball. Keep the ball high up the pitch, or in their half at least. Our decision making on the ball is ** terrible too, crossing woeful. It's not good enough and why we only have half a game in us(0-45, 25-70, 45-90) I don't know
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We were attacking, that's how they scored... We lost the ball when Carey tried to slip Demble in.
 
He cost us points. Same as in previous games. And he'll do it again and again unless the supporters make it known they're not happy. And even then he might do it because of his stubborn "I know best" mentality.
I said after the last game that we need to get goals, demoralise the opposition and show them no respect whatsoever. He had the greatest opportunity of all to do that last night. Cods were being battered (no pun intended), they'd lost a 2-0 lead and were there for the taking. And instead of going all out for more goals Critchley goes defensive. Again. It's pathetic. No ambition.
 
I think Critchley cant win - on this site anyway, I think he has a system which he will stick to and i believe it will bring in the results well all want , we all have our own opinions (which for the record we are entitled to).
 
Macseasider said:
People tell you that his big plan is to rotate the squad so that everyone an fit in like a giant jigsaw.

I think the truth is that he doesn't have the guts or the temperament to tell a lot of players that they aren't playing. He hasn't got it in him. Trying to keep everyone happy.

Whilst we hemorrhage points: "You'll all get a game lads. I promise. I got the missus to do a rota"
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So how do you explain him benching Ekpiteta, Thompson, Lyons, Weir and not including Beesley, Tharme for most of the season then?

I don’t necessarily think it’s his plan to rotate the squad like “a giant jigsaw” I just think he tinkers too much and overthinks.

This idea that he’s somehow scared to drop players is pulled from thin air and has absolutely no basis whatsoever.
 
Yes we made defensive substitutions. But we still had good chances to score after they were made, that would have made all the debate unnecessary.

Shane had got to the byline and was at the 6 yard box, tried to cut back in and shoot when there was a pull back to Dembele available. Possibly CJ's best piece of play all night when he took down a long pass and beat his man in the same time, got all the way inside the area and failed to pass to one of ours. Which happened more than once, from both wings not just CJ's.
 
Cost us 2 points. 100%!!!
Lavery & Dembele MUST start from now on. Look at how we blew away Cheltenham first half. We are really crap at seeing the game out so please just attack teams.
 
Poor game management. Not starting the strongest team available is baffling, defensive substitutions to hold on against a poor Fleetwood side again baffling and results in 2 points dropped....
 
Athers said:
Cost us 2 points tonight and 2 points at Charlton by sitting back and taking attacking threats off to try and close games out.

Those extra 4 points would put us 4th and 4 points off second. He’s holding us back. This league is SHITE and a half decent manager with this squad would get us top 6 minimum
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So if, as you say, two late equalisers are the only thing separating us from 4th, then could you not equally argue that we’re not far off at all? And can you deny we’ve improved since the start of the season?

Does being such small margins of 4th place in the division really justify your incessant lynching of this manager? Or is it because you didn’t want him back in the first place, embarrassed yourself publicly with a frankly childish flag, and have jumped at every opportunity to get on his back on here and on twitter since we re-hired him? You’ve chosen a hill to die on and you’re absolutely desperate for vindication to spare your blushes.
 
A GAME of two halves. i actually had a draw at the bookies. HAD to hang on for ten minutes kicking every ball last night listening to BBC lancs . at least we go to BROMLEY lloking to put on a show. PERFECTLY set up now. had enough of the CRITCHLEY out brigade . no doubt that words were exchanged at half time.
 
Shiggy said:
So if, as you say, two late equalisers are the only thing separating us from 4th, then could you not equally argue that we’re not far off at all? And can you deny we’ve improved since the start of the season?

Does being such small margins of 4th place in the division really justify your incessant lynching of this manager? Or is it because you didn’t want him back in the first place, embarrassed yourself publicly with a frankly childish flag, and have jumped at every opportunity to get on his back on here and on twitter since we re-hired him? You’ve chosen a hill to die on and you’re absolutely desperate for vindication to spare your blushes.
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No. I’d rather he pick his strongest team every week and we be minimum top 6, pushing for automatic.

If you’re happy with his inept team selections and our squad very cautious style of football then every credit to you. I’m not. And a lot of fans are starting to feel the same
 
Athers said:
No. I’d rather he pick his strongest team every week and we be minimum top 6, pushing for automatic.

If you’re happy with his inept team selections and our squad very cautious style of football then every credit to you. I’m not. And a lot of fans are starting to feel the same
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You didn’t really answer my questions in the first paragraph there but ok
 
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Shiggy said:
Bollocks
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Why are you just arguing with everybody who has a different opinion to you? I didn't want him here in the first place and I still don't now.

He clearly still doesn't know his best side and he's stubbornly persisting with a formation that isn't working.

Call it 'bollocks' all you want but that's how I see it. You are all over numerous threads arguing with people who's opinion varies from yours. Maybe a message board isn't for you.
 
FY5_Seasider said:
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Why are you just arguing with everybody who has a different opinion to you? I didn't want him here in the first place and I still don't now.

He clearly still doesn't know his best side and he's stubbornly persisting with a formation that isn't working.

Call it 'bollocks' all you want but that's how I see it. You are all over numerous threads arguing with people who's opinion varies from yours. Maybe a message board isn't for you.
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If I’m not arguing with people whose opinions differ to mine then who should I argue with? People who I agree with? What are you talking about?
 
EyeinBISA said:
Completely agree don’t share a view on staring line up but watching the game said that’s it’s like Charlton when at 3-2 (from 0-2) your substitutions are defensive and invite pressure, be bold when on the front foot
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Arguably we conceded the equaliser giving away possession trying to get a 4th. If we'd really shut up shop, Carey wouldn't be trying to thread a ball through to Dembele.
 
FY5_Seasider said:
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Why are you just arguing with everybody who has a different opinion to you? I didn't want him here in the first place and I still don't now.

He clearly still doesn't know his best side and he's stubbornly persisting with a formation that isn't working.

Call it 'bollocks' all you want but that's how I see it. You are all over numerous threads arguing with people whose opinion varies from yours. Maybe a message board isn't for you.
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I didn’t want him back either.

The difference between me and you is seemingly that I’m able to accept when the club makes a decision I disagree with and you can’t.

If 2 defeats in 10 is a manager losing the plot than I am genuinely at a loss.
 
Shiggy said:
I didn’t want him back either.

The difference between me and you is seemingly that I’m able to accept when the club makes a decision I disagree with and you can’t.

If 2 defeats in 10 is a manager losing the plot than I am genuinely at a loss.
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I have no choice but to accept it as. Do I protest? No. Do I shout Critchley out? No. But that doesn't change my opinion that I don't want him here. It's got nothing to do with how he left. I don't like his football and I think his selections are bizarre to say the least.

If you like him then fine. You don't see me telling you that your opinion is bollocks.
 
FY5_Seasider said:
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Why are you just arguing with everybody who has a different opinion to you? I didn't want him here in the first place and I still don't now.

He clearly still doesn't know his best side and he's stubbornly persisting with a formation that isn't working.

Call it 'bollocks' all you want but that's how I see it. You are all over numerous threads arguing with people who's opinion varies from yours. Maybe a message board isn't for you.
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Well said. The guy has a literal tantrum when he reads anything he doesn't like.

Like a big cry baby.
 
Macseasider said:
Well said. The guy has a literal tantrum when he reads anything he doesn't like.

Like a big cry baby
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The fact you’ve developed a deep dislike for a stranger on the internet because I don’t always agree with you is really really really weird
 
Shiggy said:
The fact you’ve developed a deep dislike for a stranger on the internet because I don’t always agree with you is really really really weird
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Not at all. The "facts" are that you lash out at other posters whose views are not the same as yours. Other posters have started to call you out for it and I will continue to do so.

You need to accept that not everyone has your opinions. You don't seem to want to but it's tough.
 
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