Critchley cost us 3 points or saved us 1?

Shiggy

Shiggy

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That lineup was inexplicable today, really baffling how neither Lavery nor dembele started. Ultimately that’s led to us being 2-0 down at half time.

The difference dembele made especially makes Critch look a bit stupid to be honest. Everyone in that ground wondering how a player with his quality was on the bench.

BUT at least he changed it at half time.
 
Shiggy said:
That lineup was inexplicable today, really baffling how neither Lavery nor dembele started. Ultimately that’s led to us being 2-0 down at half time.

The difference dembele made especially makes Critch look a bit stupid to be honest. Everyone in that ground wondering how a player with his quality was on the bench.

BUT at least he changed it at half time.
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To add, I think ultimately we’ve dropped 2 points there and it’s down to the manager. Oakley Boothe has shown absolutely nothing to suggest he should be starting in a game like that.
 
Halifax71 said:
Cost us. End of. Bizarre. Stubborn. Reminds me of that wanker Mick last season.
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Very harsh comparison that.

But he is way too negative. It’s no coincidence we’ve arguably played our best football of the season when we’ve come out to attack and had our best players on the pitch.
 
Shiggy said:
How can you say he deserves 0 credit? Yes he should have started them but you can’t have it both ways. He’s realised he’s had a howler tonight and changed it. Not saying he deserves to be lauded for that but to say 0 credit is frankly ridiculous
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He deserves 0 credit because any football manager or fan on the planet would have done what he did.

If he changed formation, made 4 brave subs, I'd agree. Fair play Neil.

All he did was select the team that everyone would have started with anyway? Why does he deserve credit for it?
 
Shiggy said:
That lineup was inexplicable today, really baffling how neither Lavery nor dembele started. Ultimately that’s led to us being 2-0 down at half time.

The difference dembele made especially makes Critch look a bit stupid to be honest. Everyone in that ground wondering how a player with his quality was on the bench.

BUT at least he changed it at half time.
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The same as vs posh
 
SeasideKurt said:
He deserves 0 credit because any football manager or fan on the planet would have done what he did.

If he changed formation, made 4 brave subs, I'd agree. Fair play Neil.

All he did was select the team that everyone would have started with anyway? Why does he deserve credit for it?
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Managers can be stubborn (Critchley especially).

He deserves SOME credit for recognising his mistake at half time and changing things.
 
Cost us a win. The contrast in the 2 halves. I think body language is key here. The players had more confidence being 2 behind than when it was 0-0.
 
Shiggy said:
Managers can be stubborn (Critchley especially).

He deserves SOME credit for recognising his mistake at half time and changing things.
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Not for me, he put us in that position. AGAIN. He's dropped us a lot of points with decisions he's made.

You can't win every game, but when you look at the better sides in this league. Our squad matches all of them. And we're miles off the pace at the top.
 
He cost us 2 points really with the starting line up.

I understand why he’s scared to play the team that started the second half but it’s a far superior option to tbf one from the first half.

Norburn is needed desperately so he has the confidence to start the second half team
 
Anyone who's being honest would have taken a look at that starting line up tonight and had that sinking feeling of inevitability. They started the game fired up and ready to win and we just looked shell shocked yet again... We weren't terrible on the whole in the first half, but it's not quite working with Kouassi right now, likewise Oakley Boothe.

Unfortunately, I think the temptation to launch the long hopeful ball to Kouassi gets the better of us when he's involved.

Miles better second half, but nonetheless we've got to be able to make those kind of substitutions at the end of a game and close it out professionally (nothing wrong with making the subs, it's the right thing to do).
 
Cost us 2 points tonight and 2 points at Charlton by sitting back and taking attacking threats off to try and close games out.

Those extra 4 points would put us 4th and 4 points off second. He’s holding us back. This league is SHITE and a half decent manager with this squad would get us top 6 minimum
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Anyone who's being honest would have taken a look at that starting line up tonight and had that sinking feeling of inevitability. They started the game first up and ready to win and we just looked shell shocked yet again... We weren't terrible on the whole in the first half, but it's not quite working with Kouassi right now, likewise Oakley Boothe.

Unfortunately, I think the temptation to launch the long hopeful ball to Kouassi gets the better of us when he's involved.

Miles better second half, but nonetheless we've got to be able to make those kind of substitutions at the end of a game and close it out professionally (nothing wrong with making the subs, it's the right thing to do).
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Agree about the long ball especially . Every time I’ve watched Kouassi he’s actually been really poor in the air despite his size.
 
Shiggy said:
Agree about the long ball especially . Every time I’ve watched Kouassi he’s actually been really poor in the air despite his size.
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He did OK early doors, but to be honest (for a big bloke) he's far better when the ball is played into his feet IMO. I just think it's too easy for us to go for the 'Long Hopeful' to him instead of working the ball out and it just puts us under pressure when it doesn't stick.
 
Shiggy said:
That lineup was inexplicable today, really baffling how neither Lavery nor dembele started. Ultimately that’s led to us being 2-0 down at half time.

The difference dembele made especially makes Critch look a bit stupid to be honest. Everyone in that ground wondering how a player with his quality was on the bench.

BUT at least he changed it at half time.
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Lavery & Dembele not starting wasn’t the reason we conceded 2 goals. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Awful starting line up which was totally illogical, and I challenge anyone to justify that starting XI.

Forced into inevitable changes at half-time and lo and behold Dembele transforms the game.

Fair play to Carey who took his chances well, but still gave the ball away for the equaliser (like he did twice on Saturday).

Bossing the game and all over Fleetwood, then the tactical genius decides to shut up shop by bringing on Connolly and moving Dembele to the left where he stopped influencing the game.

We had a corner with 5 minutes to go and he decided not to send up any of the centre halves!

I'm not sure of the advantage of having 237 coaching badges if you "manage by numbers" and simply don't get the fundamental basics of the game.

I'm sorry Critch, but you should stick to coaching youngsters and leave management to those who better understand football.
 
Athers said:
Cost us 2 points tonight and 2 points at Charlton by sitting back and taking attacking threats off to try and close games out.

Those extra 4 points would put us 4th and 4 points off second. He’s holding us back. This league is SHITE and a half decent manager with this squad would get us top 6 minim
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Wouldn’t say this league is shite. Promotion is definitely achievable but it’s also an infamously difficult league to get out of.

You made your mind up about Critchley a long time ago and from what I’ve seen have actually taken some joy in criticising him at every opportunity, but I do agree that he’s cost us tonight.

Not because of the subs though, I think they all made sense in the moment after going 3-2 up. Rhodes and Dale looked knackered and have played more minutes than most this season. Their goal came out of nothing. I will say that once we got the 3rd we took our feet off the pedal when Fleetwood were absolutely gone. I’m convinced if we’d have kept the same tempo we would’ve got 4 or 5 there. Once again, we were playing it too safe.

He’s cost us because of the starting lineup mainly though.
 
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Colmanballs said:
Lavery & Dembele not starting wasn’t the reason we conceded 2 goals. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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I think it absolutely was.

Lavery is excellent at chasing down and pressing (Kouassi isn’t) and because of Lavery we retained/won back possession more frequently in the final third.

As for Dembele, when he’s on the pitch it makes the opposition think about dealing with us rather than the other way round (which is how it should be almost every game). Fleetwood couldn’t handle him second half and went into a shell.
 
Athers said:
Cost us 2 points tonight and 2 points at Charlton by sitting back and taking attacking threats off to try and close games out.

Those extra 4 points would put us 4th and 4 points off second. He’s holding us back. This league is SHITE and a half decent manager with this squad would get us top 6 minimum
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Completely agree don’t share a view on staring line up but watching the game said that’s it’s like Charlton when at 3-2 (from 0-2) your substitutions are defensive and invite pressure, be bold when on the front foot
 
Shiggy said:
How can you say he deserves 0 credit? Yes he should have started them but you can’t have it both ways. He’s realised he’s had a howler tonight and changed it. Not saying he deserves to be lauded for that but to say 0 credit is frankly ridiculous
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And then changed it again late on when no need, we were completely in control. Oh and Connolly offers nothing at LWB, yet Lyons can’t even get on the bench !
 
Constant chopping and changing, inverted bloody wingers STILL!!!!, players to comfortable passing side ways when there's a space to drive into. Poor decision making with subs and consistently inconsistent for half a game. Its not on and if he can't get a tune out the players straight from the off something not right
 
Shiggy said:
That lineup was inexplicable today, really baffling how neither Lavery nor dembele started. Ultimately that’s led to us being 2-0 down at half time.

The difference dembele made especially makes Critch look a bit stupid to be honest. Everyone in that ground wondering how a player with his quality was on the bench.

BUT at least he changed it at half time.
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You've changed your ** tune from Saturday !
 
SeasideKurt said:
He deserves 0 credit because any football manager or fan on the planet would have done what he did.

If he changed formation, made 4 brave subs, I'd agree. Fair play Neil.

All he did was select the team that everyone would have started with anyway? Why does he deserve credit for it?
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Cods have scored early in every recent match so it was no surprise they did (though our defending was pathetic)

So, you either start out with an all out battering line up or a defensive one

I hope he doesn’t go the same way at Bromley as they are decent
 
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