Critchley's remit

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tangysider

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Agree the football is dire at the moment but suspect Critchley's remit was to keep us in the Championship and to bring the youth set up up to scratch where it is conceivable we will get our own youth progressing to first team.
He has achieved this.
I am happy to see how he does over the summer rather than a knee jerk reaction to recent games.
 
tangysider said:
Agree the football is dire at the moment but suspect Critchley's remit was to keep us in the Championship and to bring the youth set up up to scratch where it is conceivable we will get our own youth progressing to first team.
He has achieved this.
I am happy to see how he does over the summer rather than a knee jerk reaction to recent games.
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Doesn’t even need saying to be honest.

It’s only for the hard of thinking or emotionally challenged to consider Critch as anything other than a man who has worked wonders for us
 
The football has only been dire in recent games, apart from the odd isolated poor performance within what has been a very good season. I don't think there's been much of a knee jerk reaction. It's a football message board, so it's perfectly reasonable to criticise Critch's team selection, tinkering, and tactics, but all comments I've read have been caveated that "he's done a great job but ....". And we were very very poor on Tuesday.

That said, Critch got us up at the first attempt, achieved championship consolidation (realistically in January), brought in lower league players because we can't compete with the" bigger teams ", many have stepped up well. So all boxes ticked so far, now for essential signings this summer to improve further, that's his next objective. As Basilexile said, time will tell, but he's achieved all objectives so far.
 
I absolutely cannot believe anybody can in all seriousness question the manager and I'm not sure anyone really is to be honest. We have had a couple of bad games , it happens. On emotion or alcohol after a game yeh sure criticise a poor performance or a bad result but come on, let's look at the whole picture here. I think some people seem to think he isn't aware of the issues in the team, get real, he is working to a budget, a small one at that and it takes time. Is he beyond criticism, absolutely not and he is still learning his trade but should he be questioned about the job he's done... No fcuking way.
As for the style of football, that's very subjective isn't it. I like possession based football but our problem is lack of creativity in midfield and a few players not quite at the level needed not our style of play which as I've said I'm sure he is aware of. Looking at it in the longer term rather than game to game, if plan A isn't working then we need to get better at it not change to a plan b
Utmp
 
Chunkylad said:
Doesn’t even need saying to be honest.

It’s only for the hard of thinking or emotionally challenged to consider Critch as anything other than a man who has worked wonders for us
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I think a lot were expecting playoffs rather than hoping in recent weeks, and we are far from ready for that.
Most footie fans have high expectations to be fair but sometimes it is best to analyse where we are as a club, rather than pass judgement on specific matches and players
 
Matesrates said:
Agree, he’s kept us in the championship, but remember, when Simon Bou the club, he wanted entertaining football, and with the appointment of NC we expected Liverpool style football, not straight away obviously, but now is the time.
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Does Liverpool style football suit the Championship? In some games, perhaps but not the majority. The big negative for me has been the large number of injuries over the past two seasons. Is it a feature of the way Critchley trains? Is it because he's trying to shoe-horn some players into formations they find difficult? I think there's something in the view that our players have had to put in a supreme effort in most matches to keep us in this division and have then suffered muscle-strain injuries as a result. But, the injury list was just as big a feature last season. I feel there must be more to it somehow.
 
basilexile said:
I think anyone who expected the playoffs was delusional. Our lack of goals scored and poor goal difference should have made that outcome obvious.
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True but it's only 2 or 3 weeks since some were saying it. Totally unrealistic expectations from some. And I was accused of being negative for stating what was clearly obvious.
 
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1966_and_all_that said:
Does Liverpool style football suit the Championship? In some games, perhaps but not the majority. The big negative for me has been the large number of injuries over the past two seasons. Is it a feature of the way Critchley trains? Is it because he's trying to shoe-horn some players into formations they find difficult? I think there's something in the view that our players have had to put in a supreme effort in most matches to keep us in this division and have then suffered muscle-strain injuries as a result. But, the injury list was just as big a feature last season. I feel there must be more to it somehow.
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I agree, I’m sure the intensity they play at has caused some injuries. I also think that they’ve had to play like that because we’re playing better teams, with better players, so they’ve had to chase and close down which is why we’ve done so well. The problem as we all know is the lack of midfield creativity, as a result, we pass it across and back between midfield and defence and then back to the keeper because we’ve allowed pressur. He than has to kick it long and off we go chasing again.
 
I can’t help but think that bowlers fee will be huge in terms of what NC has to spend in the summer. SS isn’t going to spend millions on players.
 
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AVFTT is split into certain groups…

1. Giddy over the top going straight to the Prem dead easy sorts.

2. Whoppers

3. The world is going to end after a bad result sort.

4. Own agenda sorts.

5. Self appointed football experts.

6. Level headed sorts who just shake their heads and ignore the above.

I’m sure people can add more if they would like….
 
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Larryknows said:
I absolutely cannot believe anybody can in all seriousness question the manager and I'm not sure anyone really is to be honest.
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I for one, was initially one of the main protagonists regarding Critch as Manager, but Im at least realistic and mature enough to realise what a tremendous job he has done with Simon's backing.

One thing I haven't changed my mind whatsoever is his team selections and substitutions, which sometimes border on the bizarre.
 
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Towerpower99 said:
AVFTT is split into certain groups…

1. Giddy over the top going straight to the Prem dead easy sorts.

2. Whoppers

3. The world is going to end after a bad result sort.

4. Own agenda sorts.

5. Self appointed football experts.

6. Level headed sorts who just shake there heads and ignore the above.

I’m sure people can add more if they would like….
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The world of AVFTT is awash with number 5's sadly. Whatever opinion you may offer on any aspect of a football match their self appointed superiority and expertise will come crashing down on you which includes personal insults such as "clueless" and "you know nothing about football" and "this is the most ridiculous post I've ever read". Loads of them.
 
Macseasider said:
The world of AVFTT is awash with number 5's sadly. Whatever opinion you may offer on any aspect of a football match their self appointed superiority and expertise will come crashing down on you which includes personal insults such as "clueless" and "you know nothing about football" and "this is the most ridiculous post I've ever read". Loads of them.
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Poor from you that Mac😉 I would have thought by now it would have been universally recognised that anyone on here with a David Fox trophy or above pretty much has the equivalent of a UEFA pro licence and years of practical experience of working with top professional players/coaches/managers.

How this hotbed of undiscovered managerial talent goes unnoticed by the top clubs is a mystery😂
 
tangysider said:
Agree the football is dire at the moment but suspect Critchley's remit was to keep us in the Championship and to bring the youth set up up to scratch where it is conceivable we will get our own youth progressing to first team.
He has achieved this.
I am happy to see how he does over the summer rather than a knee jerk reaction to recent games.
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Interesting o/p this because there is no way that his remit was to get us promoted this season and so actually he has achieved all he needs to.
 
Towerpower99 said:
AVFTT is split into certain groups…

1. Giddy over the top going straight to the Prem dead easy sorts.

2. Whoppers

3. The world is going to end after a bad result sort.

4. Own agenda sorts.

5. Self appointed football experts.

6. Level headed sorts who just shake their heads and ignore the above.

I’m sure people can add more if they would like….
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7. Waspish little attention seekers (2,3,4 & 5 also apply)
 
seasideone said:
I don't get it me....

Promoted first full season and safe in Championship by Easter.

Throw in a complete revamp of the squad since he took over - which will always be in progress to be fair.

What on earth do some people expect!!???

Done brilliant for me.
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We’ll put. 👏👍
 
seasideone said:
I don't get it me....

Promoted first full season and safe in Championship by Easter.

Throw in a complete revamp of the squad since he took over - which will always be in progress to be fair.

What on earth do some people expect!!???

Done brilliant for me.
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Great post. Look at where most of our players have come from. Only Keogh, Madine and Kenny had any real experience of the Championship at the start of the season. Maybe I've missed someone out. Garbutt at Ipswich.... Who else?
For me Critch has done a phenomenal job. UTMP!
 
I can only think of a few dire performances, Preston, Derby and Birmingham away. I don’t class the Forest game as dire, the stats were good and they are a good team. There have been a few more games where the score line has perhaps flattered the opposition, but for most of the season we’ve given a good account.

It’s natural that we expect Critch to show us more of what we hope is his style next season. I do think he’s been overly negative since the turn of New Year and once we were safe. However, there have been key injuries and he’s done really well. A few good transfers will see us stronger next season.
 
Macseasider said:
The world of AVFTT is awash with number 5's sadly. Whatever opinion you may offer on any aspect of a football match their self appointed superiority and expertise will come crashing down on you which includes personal insults such as "clueless" and "you know nothing about football" and "this is the most ridiculous post I've ever read". Loads of them.
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Clueless. Ridiculous post.

Sorry. I had to.
 
Critch has done an outstanding job and next season will be even more difficult. The Championship has been poor generally this season with only Fulham being consistently good.

Next season with no Keshi, Bowler and Maxwell some really creative recruiting is required this summer. Keogh another year older. On the plus side the remainder of the squad have a year in the Championship on their side but progression is far from guaranteed.
 
seasideone said:
I don't get it me....

Promoted first full season and safe in Championship by Easter.

Throw in a complete revamp of the squad since he took over - which will always be in progress to be fair.

What on earth do some people expect!!???

Done brilliant for me.
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I think peoples expectations are far exceeding our current capabilities. We’ve had a cracking couple of years. Carry on Mr Critchley and thank you Mr Sadler.
 
tangysider said:
Agree the football is dire at the moment but suspect Critchley's remit was to keep us in the Championship and to bring the youth set up up to scratch where it is conceivable we will get our own youth progressing to first team.
He has achieved this.
I am happy to see how he does over the summer rather than a knee jerk reaction to recent games.
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I agree absolutely that Critch's remit will have been to keep us in the Championship so mission accomplised. 👋.
As one of those self-appointed, opinionated posters referred to in this thread (Youth team portfolio) I'm a little bit less certain of his involvement with the Youth team set up.
As a "new" Manager he's more than had his hands full with first team matters and the development of Youth team has been left to others.
I also think because he is a "new" Manager, still building his own reputation, he's finding it difficult to experiment with youth.
It's the job of the Academy staff to persuade him the time is right and Ciaran Donnelly talked very favourably of his relationship with Critch when he was a guest on The Preview Show last week so this isn't a criticism.
Youth development is a stated ambition of the Board and hopefully it will happen but the next step forward will only come with the development of the new training ground.
 
Towerpower99 said:
AVFTT is split into certain groups…

1. Giddy over the top going straight to the Prem dead easy sorts.

2. Whoppers

3. The world is going to end after a bad result sort.

4. Own agenda sorts.

5. Self appointed football experts.

6. Level headed sorts who just shake their heads and ignore the above.

I’m sure people can add more if they would like….
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My favourite are the flip floppers who tick all 7 boxes dependent on the results!
 
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Matesrates said:
Agree, he’s kept us in the championship, but remember, when Simon Bou the club, he wanted entertaining football, and with the appointment of NC we expected Liverpool style football, not straight away obviously, but now is the time.
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But how long did it take klopp? Many years. Not an overnight job, and that's with Liverpool facilities which needless to say are way above what we currently have!

We are getting the right personnel in, just need the infrastructure to follow, which I am sure it will. We have a great owner, manager and manahement team who I hope will be here to build for the long term.
 
Tangojack said:
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But how long did it take klopp? Many years. Not an overnight job, and that's with Liverpool facilities which needless to say are way above what we currently have!

We are getting the right personnel in, just need the infrastructure to follow, which I am sure it will. We have a great owner, manager and manahement team who I hope will be here to build for the long term.
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it took city a while to get going and that was with eleventy zillion quid being thrown at the problem and probably (as was then) the best manager / coach in the game. Critch has done a fantastic job, the football has been up and down, occasionally sublime, often very good, usually good. Maybe three or four games all season where we have been bad.
 
For next year We just need to relax a bit more and for the players to enjoy themselves on the pitch more too. We do seem a bit organisationally and fitness and tactics focussed and forget the joy and expression bit. Remit boxes all ticked for this year.
 
Being ambitious and in no way a grumble, I think we could have done a bit better from the loan market. Wintle was great for the time he was here and Dujon has been a revelation, but otherwise it's been a bit hit and miss. Maybe clubs will be more willing to part with attacking players if they now see us as competitive.
 
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