Cruella's Barge

Publicity stunt and I doubt it makes economic sense. Mooring fees are considerable; lease of barge will be very expensive; fit out of barge; ongoing running costs etc
 
Cuthbert said:
Publicity stunt and I doubt it makes economic sense. Mooring fees are considerable; lease of barge will be very expensive; fit out of barge; ongoing running costs etc
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It works out at about £80/day, that's actually relatively cheap compared to what they're paying elsewhere.
 
The Government couldn’t procure a piss up in a brewery. Given their strategic buying power and the desperation of the cheap chains, such as Brittania (wgmhich the Government use) to get above 60% occupancy rates, it’s a complete joke. Brittania rooms are £50 a double / twin the rooms tend to be big. So you could probably accommodate about 100000 asylum seekers for £2.5m a night. We really have to question how the Government is dealing with this
 
I am more worried about the 2000 young male asylum seekers they plan put into the old RAF Scampton before Christmas, just 3 miles from my village. The site is wholly unsuited for this purpose, having no facilties (shops, health facilties, no decent transport, or entertaintment, etc), being 7 miles from Lincoln, so likely to overwhelm llimited resources in local villages. I feel really sorry for the residents who have bought properties on the base (properties blighted and devalued, so they can't sell them) and the primary school there, which is just a couple of hundred yards from where the contractors for the Home Office have been placing portcabins and temporary buldings on the runway aprons and digging up the site, despite a legal stop notice, pending a judicial review at the end of this month. The Home Office seems to believe is beyond the law. If they put that amount of investment and effort into the timely vetting of applications in France then there wouldn't be such a problem.
Just as concerning is that a £300m investment plan had been agreed to develop the Scampton base into aan aviation heritage centre and technology research site. That investment and the associated jobs may now be lost, with Scampton ending up like a wilderhess or a deprived estate like many ex-RAF bases 😦
 
Ginge 2 said:
Not really. Who've I blamed....other than the ILLEGALS
They shouldn't be here and are here for nefarious reasons in my opinion.
I don't think as I've said, any government could or indeed can do much about it, especially with the left wing lead weights around their necks like millstones.
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I've told you the situation with delays in the processing of immigration applicants many times but still you repeat this 'illegals' stuff.
 
bfcpete said:
I am more worried about the 2000 young male asylum seekers they plan put into the old RAF Scampton before Christmas, just 3 miles from my village. The site is wholly unsuited for this purpose, having no facilties (shops, health facilties, no decent transport, or entertaintment, etc), being 7 miles from Lincoln, so likely to overwhelm llimited resources in local villages. I feel really sorry for the residents who have bought properties on the base (properties blighted and devalued, so they can't sell them) and the primary school there, which is just a couple of hundred yards from where the contractors for the Home Office have been placing portcabins and temporary buldings on the runway aprons and digging up the site, despite a legal stop notice, pending a judicial review at the end of this month. The Home Office seems to believe is beyond the law. If they put that amount of investment and effort into the timely vetting of applications in France then there wouldn't be such a problem.
Just as concerning is that a £300m investment plan had been agreed to develop the Scampton base into aan aviation heritage centre and technology research site. That investment and the associated jobs may now be lost, with Scampton ending up like a wilderhess or a deprived estate like many ex-RAF bases 😦
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Blame the Tory Government for failing in their immigration processing procedures - quite deliberately to my mind. They want this carnage because they think there are votes in it.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Not until their applications for residence have been processed and rejected.
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But they aren't arriving here through the proper channels so they have to be illegal.

The French police are trying to stop them launching so it must be illegal trying to come here otherwise they'd let even more cross.

And finally if their not illegal why are they rounded up and put in detention centres to join the waiting game?
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
But they aren't arriving here through the proper channels so they have to be illegal.

The French police are trying to stop them launching so it must be illegal trying to come here otherwise they'd let even more cross.

And finally if their not illegal why are they rounded up and put in detention centres to join the waiting game?
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Because the Government is running out of places to put them. Yes, they are arriving via illegal channels but only because some of the official channels have been shut down.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
No. They have yet to be processed. That is a fact, whether you like it or not.
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No, they are here under false pretences.
The law is if they are seeking asylum they must seek it in the first safe country they go to.
Why are you so intent on supporting people who.
A, have not been forcibly removed from their countries?
B, are not under the threat of war?

If they are then fine but tens of thousands of young men arriving in this country!!!
Give me a break....
If it's families and children then I have sympathy and would never dispute their right to apply, but apply in the first safe country you arrive in.
If then you are found to be a genuine case then again, no problem in our great country sheltering them.
But I've seen with my own eyes at the Salvation army citadel, whilst dropping off clothes donations the kind of people we are talking about here.
No respect for the women volunteers, because they are women....FFS. Just grabbing anything they can and discarding it on the floor if they don't want it...... literally dossers who know not how to behave in a civilized society.
They are not here legally.
That is a fact.
 
Ginge 2 said:
No, they are here under false pretences.
The law is if they are seeking asylum they must seek it in the first safe country they go to.
Why are you so intent on supporting people who.
A, have not been forcibly removed from their countries?
B, are not under the threat of war?

If they are then fine but tens of thousands of young men arriving in this country!!!
Give me a break....
If it's families and children then I have sympathy and would never dispute their right to apply, but apply in the first safe country you arrive in.
If then you are found to be a genuine case then again, no problem in our great country sheltering them.
But I've seen with my own eyes at the Salvation army citadel, whilst dropping off clothes donations the kind of people we are talking about here.
No respect for the women volunteers, because they are women....FFS. Just grabbing anything they can and discarding it on the floor if they don't want it...... literally dossers who know not how to behave in a civilized society.
They are not here legally.
That is a fact.
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Until they are processed it has not been decided whether they are seeking immigration or asylum. That is my point. At that point, if they are confirmed to be unwanted immigrants then they should be sent back to their home country. I repeat, whilst they may be causing a nuisance, they have no official status until they are processed.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Not true.
Jenrick also tried to get away with this lie - fortunately we still have some decent journalists;

https://twitter.com/x/status/1656382683042152449
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Of course it’s true open your eyes they are here illegally there are proper channels to go through but coming here on rubber boats is not one of them.

It it’s all legal why don’t they come on a proper boat like a ferry or even fly here as they obviously have the funds paying thousands to the traffickers?
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Of course it’s true open your eyes they are here illegally there are proper channels to go through but coming here on rubber boats is not one of them.

It it’s all legal why don’t they come on a proper boat like a ferry or even fly here?
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It's not true that they are legally obliged to claim asylum in the first safe country that they reach as Ginge stated and immigration minister Robert Jenrick also stated. It's laughable that the minister responsible either didn't know the law for something so fundamental to his brief or (more likely) tried to tell a barefaced lie on TV about it.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
It's not true that they are legally obliged to stay in the first safe country that they reach as Ginge stated.
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So remind me how many countries they’ve passed through to get to France?

They want to end up here for a simple reason and you know the answer to that so I won’t bore you with saying it.

I’ve still never had a straight answer off all these people who don’t seemed to be bothered with this mass invasion of illegal immigrants why they are all males aged from 17-28? Where’s their families if they are escaping famine, war and persecution?
 
They generally can't come here on a ferry (for example) because they don't have a visa, and sometimes they don't have a passport.
There is no legal route for an asylum seeker from Afghanistan for instance to get to this country.
That doesn't mean that they don't have a legal right to claim asylum in the UK (and it is very possible that it would be granted).

Recently some asylum seekers from Afghanistan died in the English channel.
Some of those who died had helped UK forces in Afghanistan and would have been granted asylum here. We left them on the ground in Afghanistan - remember?
The only way they could get to the UK was by illegal boat because the UK government has blocked all of the other routes.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So remind me how many countries they’ve passed through to get to France?

They want to end up here for a simple reason and you know the answer to that so I won’t bore you with saying it.

I’ve still never had a straight answer off all these people who don’t seemed to be bothered with this mass invasion of illegal immigrants why they are all males aged from 17-28? Where’s their families if they are escaping famine, war and persecution?
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But we won't know until they are processed. This Government has reduced the processing of immigrants and asylum seekers to a trickle so that it can ride on the back of the concerns of people about 'nasty immigrants' who just want our benefits and free housing. You, among others, are doing the Government's dirty work by taking this bait and helping to spread that false message.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
But we won't know until they are processed. This Government has reduced the processing of immigrants and asylum seekers to a trickle so that it can ride on the back of the concerns of people about 'nasty immigrants' who just want our benefits and free housing. You, among others, are doing the Government's dirty work by taking this bait and helping to spread that false message.
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So you saying they don’t come here to milk the system? Maybe they come for the weather? Or the football?

It’s not difficult to work out they don’t get these benefits in any other country they pass through hence why they don’t stay.

And for the umpteenth time where’s all the families why just these single young men?
 
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So you saying they don’t come here to milk the system? Maybe they come for the weather? Or the football?

It’s not difficult to work out they don’t get these benefits in any other country they pass through hence why they don’t stay.

And for the umpteenth time where’s all the families why just these single young men?
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Can some-one please come up with a valid answer to Jaffas last question. I saw on the News yesterday people leaving a hotel and boarding a coach to be transported to Dorset and I assume the barge. They were all young males.Are there specific hotels for single females or for families?
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So you saying they don’t come here to milk the system? Maybe they come for the weather? Or the football?

It’s not difficult to work out they don’t get these benefits in any other country they pass through hence why they don’t stay.

And for the umpteenth time where’s all the families why just these single young men?
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It suits the media to show the young males to inflame the situation. Reality is plenty of women and children as well. Proof of this is the poor kid who was drowned, the kids who have gone missing form hostels (abducted?).

We take far fewer refugees than most other western countries.
 
Follow the money :

The Government has bought a piece of derelict land to put an Immigration Detention centre on for £15m.
Peter Klimt owns the Brockwell Group Bexhill who it bought from, they purchased the land 13 months ago for £6m.
£9m profit in one year, another scam.
 
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So you saying they don’t come here to milk the system? Maybe they come for the weather? Or the football?

It’s not difficult to work out they don’t get these benefits in any other country they pass through hence why they don’t stay.

And for the umpteenth time where’s all the families why just these single young men?
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I'm saying nothing about what these people are like. I'm saying that everyone who comes here has to be processed to gain authorised entry. I say it frequently but some aren't interested in that fact.
 
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20togo said:
Can some-one please come up with a valid answer to Jaffas last question. I saw on the News yesterday people leaving a hotel and boarding a coach to be transported to Dorset and I assume the barge. They were all young males.Are there specific hotels for single females or for families?
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Short of nipping down to Dover and doing a survey, I guess we'll not really know but these are my guesses

1. Maybe to avoid conscription


2. Maybe, as a single young male, more likely to find err, employment and send money back home

3. Maybe, because Muslim family culture is much broader broader than that in the west.i.e mum, dad, kids, uncles, grandparents etc all tend to live together so wife and kids would stay at home.

4. Maybe the cost of paying the traffickers is too much to afford for the whole family.

Maybe I don't really know but some of the above may be reasons?
 
Captain Sensible said:
That’s not true and you know it.
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Why are you or is anyone else in the business of defending illegal immigrants who are literally bleeding our country dry of money, money that could be spent on potholes, the NHS, improving schools, our own homeless, our pensions, the list goes on and is endless.
If its because people are Labour party supporters, wanting to dig out the conservative party forget it. This problem is illegal immigrants thinking they can come to this country, get free healthcare, a free home and free money and people making millions defending or appealing their bogus applications, from legal aid.
It's a mess but is being fuelled by criminals and we, the tax payer are paying for it.
 
The irony in this thread. The Tory supporting posters up in arms about current immigration yet the party they continue to defend and vote for have done the sweet sum of nothing to sort it out in 13 years.

Turkeys voting for Christmas.
 
Ginge 2 said:
Why are you or is anyone else in the business of defending illegal immigrants who are literally bleeding our country dry of money, money that could be spent on potholes, the NHS, improving schools, our own homeless, our pensions, the list goes on and is endless.
If its because people are Labour party supporters, wanting to dig out the conservative party forget it. This problem is illegal immigrants thinking they can come to this country, get free healthcare, a free home and free money and people making millions defending or appealing their bogus applications, from legal aid.
It's a mess but is being fuelled by criminals and we, the tax payer are paying for it.
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I didn’t defend anyone, I merely said what you had said was wrong and that you knew it was wrong.

Edit to add: is this what is called whataboutery? You told a lie, I called it out and so you’ve changed the subject?
 
Ginge 2 said:
Why are you or is anyone else in the business of defending illegal immigrants who are literally bleeding our country dry of money, money that could be spent on potholes, the NHS, improving schools, our own homeless, our pensions, the list goes on and is endless.
If its because people are Labour party supporters, wanting to dig out the conservative party forget it. This problem is illegal immigrants thinking they can come to this country, get free healthcare, a free home and free money and people making millions defending or appealing their bogus applications, from legal aid.
It's a mess but is being fuelled by criminals and we, the tax payer are paying for it.
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You're wrong Ginge. I don't scoff at that either. I'd rather you read up on the reality of the situation and formed your deeply held views from that.
 
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