Dale to Pompey

poolfc

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I wonder what Sadler's view is on all the recruitment team stuff? The one permanent signing so far this summer (Thompson) seems to have been instigated by Appleton, who has tried to sign him before.

We assumed a lot of the young Prem loanees were down to Critchley's scouting and U23 contacts. But looking at our business so far, maybe our recruitment staff are focusing their efforts there?

I'd love to know which signings they've actually had a hand in. It could be a collaborative effort but none of it seems to make a lot of sense at the moment.
Seems quite content with everything and how they go about their business reading the press release interview the other day. That said he also seems to think Callum Connolly is a right back because he scored a goal so no idea really.
 

Goforgoal

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I think there's a player there, but it's the old story of needing game time, something he won't get with us - at the moment.

Good move for us, and him.
I’m fed up of that hackneyed phrase “ there’s a player in there” Someone has said that about every player we sign, Nuttall is a case in point. Why can’t a certain section of our fanbase accept that occasionally we will drop a bollock and sign players that aren’t up to standard,Dale is one. He may be a decent player for Pompey in league one, he won’t hack it in the Championship. Apart from a really good debut at Reading he’s done next to nothing, just like he did on his trial period. Yet still Critchley signed he and even he hardly played him last season.
 

poolfc

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I’m fed up of that hackneyed phrase “ there’s a player in there” Someone has said that about every player we sign, Nuttall is a case in point. Why can’t a certain section of our fanbase accept that occasionally we will drop a bollock and sign players that aren’t up to standard,Dale is one. He may be a decent player for Pompey in league one, he won’t hack it in the Championship. Apart from a really good debut at Reading he’s done next to nothing, just like he did on his trial period. Yet still Critchley signed he and even he hardly played him last season.
Hate that phrase as well. Always winds me up whenever I see it written!

I liked Dale in league one. Probably because he did a favour by scoring twice against Charlton when we were sweating on a play off place. And I do like a player who can kick with both feet and turn a full back. Like he did at Barnsley. But if it's not happening here and they can break even or take a small loss on the deal then it will be for the best. Like it was with Hardie, Nuttall, probably Lubala and others where the buy low/do up/sell high model is yet to register a win.
 

Halifax71

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I’m fed up of that hackneyed phrase “ there’s a player in there” Someone has said that about every player we sign, Nuttall is a case in point. Why can’t a certain section of our fanbase accept that occasionally we will drop a bollock and sign players that aren’t up to standard,Dale is one. He may be a decent player for Pompey in league one, he won’t hack it in the Championship. Apart from a really good debut at Reading he’s done next to nothing, just like he did on his trial period. Yet still Critchley signed he and even he hardly played him last season.
He's barely been given a chance. He needs pitch time. You may hate the term but in this case it fits.
 

Goforgoal

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He's barely been given a chance. He needs pitch time. You may hate the term but in this case it fits.
He did very little to impress in the pitch time he did get, as was said in an earlier post.When ho lost the ball he stood there waving his arms about, made no attempt to get it back, as I said he’s a lazy player. I hope he does very well at Portsmouth, they will hopefully then buy him.
 

hills98

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I’m fed up of that hackneyed phrase “ there’s a player in there” Someone has said that about every player we sign, Nuttall is a case in point. Why can’t a certain section of our fanbase accept that occasionally we will drop a bollock and sign players that aren’t up to standard,Dale is one. He may be a decent player for Pompey in league one, he won’t hack it in the Championship. Apart from a really good debut at Reading he’s done next to nothing, just like he did on his trial period. Yet still Critchley signed he and even he hardly played him last season.
I understand that sentiment to a point, and personally I’m not a big fan of Dale either, as too often doesn’t seem to do it for whatever reason. However a much bigger bug bear with me, and I’ve said it many times so apologies for saying it again - is the absolutes so many fans use! “He’s league 1”, “he’s premier league standard”, “he’s sh1t”… football is more complicated than that! A player will be brilliant in one champ team and useless in another for a myriad of reasons.

Now I’m not saying there’s a champ team out there where Owen Dale will be like Ryan Giggs, maybe he’s not got what it takes for this level, but in flashes like at Reading, he looked very good, hence the wondering some people will have. Maybe people should say, “there MIGHT be a player in there”… for me that’s better decreeing their all-knowing judgement, delivered as if it’s a point of fact, that he is the new Rory Prendeghast!

But that’s just my opinion 🙂
 

hertfordseasider

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I understand that sentiment to a point, and personally I’m not a big fan of Dale either, as too often doesn’t seem to do it for whatever reason. However a much bigger bug bear with me, and I’ve said it many times so apologies for saying it again - is the absolutes so many fans use! “He’s league 1”, “he’s premier league standard”, “he’s sh1t”… football is more complicated than that! A player will be brilliant in one champ team and useless in another for a myriad of reasons.

Now I’m not saying there’s a champ team out there where Owen Dale will be like Ryan Giggs, maybe he’s not got what it takes for this level, but in flashes like at Reading, he looked very good, hence the wondering some people will have. Maybe people should say, “there MIGHT be a player in there”… for me that’s better decreeing their all-knowing judgement, delivered as if it’s a point of fact, that he is the new Rory Prendeghast!

But that’s just my opinion 🙂
He's shit!! 🤣
 

Hazi

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Apart from his 45 minutes at Reading he's not shown anything remotely resembling a Championship player.
and the worldy towards the end of the season. Goals/assists per min on the pitch will be amongst our best. But we need to off load to bring in, thats football. Wish him well
 

Goforgoal

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I understand that sentiment to a point, and personally I’m not a big fan of Dale either, as too often doesn’t seem to do it for whatever reason. However a much bigger bug bear with me, and I’ve said it many times so apologies for saying it again - is the absolutes so many fans use! “He’s league 1”, “he’s premier league standard”, “he’s sh1t”… football is more complicated than that! A player will be brilliant in one champ team and useless in another for a myriad of reasons.

Now I’m not saying there’s a champ team out there where Owen Dale will be like Ryan Giggs, maybe he’s not got what it takes for this level, but in flashes like at Reading, he looked very good, hence the wondering some people will have. Maybe people should say, “there MIGHT be a player in there”… for me that’s better decreeing their all-knowing judgement, delivered as if it’s a point of fact, that he is the new Rory Prendeghast!

But that’s just my opinion 🙂
The problem is, as you acknowledged is he looked very good “ in flashes “ the problem is there aren’t enough flashes. As they say even a broken clock is right twice a day. That’s why I maintain it’s his attitude more than lack of ability the, can’t be arsed, and if that’s not the true Dale then , I’m sorry but that’s how he comes across.
 

Thatseasider

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I understand that sentiment to a point, and personally I’m not a big fan of Dale either, as too often doesn’t seem to do it for whatever reason. However a much bigger bug bear with me, and I’ve said it many times so apologies for saying it again - is the absolutes so many fans use! “He’s league 1”, “he’s premier league standard”, “he’s sh1t”… football is more complicated than that! A player will be brilliant in one champ team and useless in another for a myriad of reasons.

Now I’m not saying there’s a champ team out there where Owen Dale will be like Ryan Giggs, maybe he’s not got what it takes for this level, but in flashes like at Reading, he looked very good, hence the wondering some people will have. Maybe people should say, “there MIGHT be a player in there”… for me that’s better decreeing their all-knowing judgement, delivered as if it’s a point of fact, that he is the new Rory Prendeghast!

But that’s just my opinion 🙂
Tbf I use a ‘Lg1 level’ ‘Championship level’ a lot as I find it the best guide to state the ability of a player. There’s a reason we have a pyramid system that teams and players can progress through and drop down.

The fact Dale needs to find ‘the’ team to thrive in the Championship in your opinion would suggest that he really isn’t up to the standard to thrive in this league. Grimshaw, Gabriel, Stewart, Bowler, Ekpiteta, Fiorini & Connolly would all thrive in virtually every team in this league. They are therefore Championship standard.

There’s people in the middle like Madine, Yates and Dougall who to varying degrees have performed in this league but would be heavily supported by being in the right team.

Then there’s people like CJ, Garbutt, Dale et al that don’t seem to be able to do it effectively at this level, however they have shown in multiple teams they can do ‘it’ at league one and below. Now if you put them on the other 23 teams in this league would they thrive? Hmmm possibly in less than 3/4 so for me in my opinion they are not up to this level and as I said about Dale. It looks like Lg1 is his ceiling.
 

poolseasider

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Some players work at a club some don't it happens move them on and wish them well,it's like the same bollocks posted on here when Ryan Hardie scores like we shouldn't have let him go.
 

hills98

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Tbf I use a ‘Lg1 level’ ‘Championship level’ a lot as I find it the best guide to state the ability of a player. There’s a reason we have a pyramid system that teams and players can progress through and drop down.

The fact Dale needs to find ‘the’ team to thrive in the Championship in your opinion would suggest that he really isn’t up to the standard to thrive in this league. Grimshaw, Gabriel, Stewart, Bowler, Ekpiteta, Fiorini & Connolly would all thrive in virtually every team in this league. They are therefore Championship standard.

There’s people in the middle like Madine, Yates and Dougall who to varying degrees have performed in this league but would be heavily supported by being in the right team.

Then there’s people like CJ, Garbutt, Dale et al that don’t seem to be able to do it effectively at this level, however they have shown in multiple teams they can do ‘it’ at league one and below. Now if you put them on the other 23 teams in this league would they thrive? Hmmm possibly in less than 3/4 so for me in my opinion they are not up to this level and as I said about Dale. It looks like Lg1 is his ceiling.
Respectfully, that wasn’t my point. If you read my post again, I didn’t say I think there is a team where dale will shine, I actually think he’s pretty sh1t too, I’m just generally more diplomatic than to say so (sorry Owen!), I just don’t necessarily think me thinking something makes it a fact!🤣

My other point was, because sometimes he looked like a good player, then some people are entitled to think there MIGHT be … a player in there somewhere. (Again, I’m not one of those. 😊).
 

TonyEllisTopBins

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I wonder what Sadler's view is on all the recruitment team stuff? The one permanent signing so far this summer (Thompson) seems to have been instigated by Appleton, who has tried to sign him before.

We assumed a lot of the young Prem loanees were down to Critchley's scouting and U23 contacts. But looking at our business so far, maybe our recruitment staff are focusing their efforts there?

I'd love to know which signings they've actually had a hand in. It could be a collaborative effort but none of it seems to make a lot of sense at the moment.
I think SS is very happy with the process. He actually said as much in last week’s interview.
 

Thatseasider

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Respectfully, that wasn’t my point. If you read my post again, I didn’t say I think there is a team where dale will shine, I actually think he’s pretty sh1t too, I’m just generally more diplomatic than to say so (sorry Owen!), I just don’t necessarily think me thinking something makes it a fact!🤣

My other point was, because sometimes he looked like a good player, then some people are entitled to think there MIGHT be … a player in there somewhere. (Again, I’m not one of those. 😊).
Respectfully, when some one starts a sentence off with respectfully it generally means there is no respect assigned to it. 👍.

I didn’t mean it makes it a fact. We re on a message board where opinions are offered and I was merely pointing out why people including me label ‘levels’

I think we’ve seen Dale for enough time now to realise despite the ‘flashes’ he is extremely unlikely to make it in the Championship.
 

hills98

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Respectfully, when some one starts a sentence off with respectfully it generally means there is no respect assigned to it. 👍.

I didn’t mean it makes it a fact. We re on a message board where opinions are offered and I was merely pointing out why people including me label ‘levels’

I think we’ve seen Dale for enough time now to realise despite the ‘flashes’ he is extremely unlikely to make it in the Championship.
Not when I start a sentence with it, I entirely meant it. I have zero interest in message board rows. 👍

Regarding Dale, I think we're in total agreement.
 
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