Did Carey touch the ball on Tuesday

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Nuttalls Mint Toes

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Only remembered he came on when I read someone else's post and made me just wonder if he actually touched the ball on Tuesday? I genuinely don't remember him doing anything?
 
As he came on, I made the point that we might as well have brought on the metal walls they practice free kicks with, as he'd stand there and the game would go on around him.

He just can't seem to get into games, especially from sub.
 
Yes he did. He tried to wriggle through for a shot but got dispossessed on edge of the box so that's at least 1 touch.

srsly tho. I can't actually believe that we're still starting 'sonny isnt up to it' threads when he's played about 10 mins of the last 6 weeks.

I genuinely actually for real not even joking or owt think we're often better with Sonny than without as he runs about (I think that's maybe what others call 'hiding' perhaps???) and is pretty good with the ball.

No he isn't a tough tackler but he constantly moves and takes positions and gives an option. He's often to be found moving off another player or haring into a space.

That fundamental element (a player who makes runs and can take and give the ball in a tight space) isn't sexy or obvious but it makes a team more fluid. It's kind of what Grant Ward did for us.

Don't care if there's only me thinks it. Sonny Carey is far from the key issue. The fact we've actually been *worse* without him kind of paints a picture that he might have some function after all.

Grant Ward got a fair bit of 'but what does he do?' as well. Carey is a player who if we actually had more overall movement and fluidity would make a lot more sense I think. He was amazing second half at Fleetwood which was the one game where we basically chucked caution to the wind and attacked with freedom. He absolutely thrived on the options available and the ability to run into spaces left by the movement of others.

In a static team where basically we hit long balls or Dembele dribbles (and that's basically it) then a player like him isn't going to thrive.
 
Remember him picking up ball on camera side of ground just inside own half and …………passing back. Didn’t see any other involvement
 
Can't blame Carey, I was pleased he came on. He moves, he shows, and he tries.
Lavery tries too - but he doesn't make enough impact let alone scoring.
Wonder what Lavery would be like in the Makalele role - he certainly gets stuck in.
Gotta revert to 422 - defend like warriors, win the ball, boss the midfield, slot in the forwards, breakaway goals, score from corners.
Impose ourselves - then play the piano.
 
Carey is the player suffering most from Critchley I believe - I think he will have a very good career. Be horrible asset management if we lose him and Marv. Get an attacking manager and play a 4-1-3-2 or 4-4-2 and he would shine
I feel a lot of players are unhappy
 
I feel they are all unhappy in this current situation that Critchley sets up. It seems clear they showed what they thought the other night. Absolutely disgraceful performance. Grimshaw man of the match if it wasn’t for him we’d be looking at a 5 nil loss to a bottom 4 side.
 
LA-KINGS said:
Carey is the player suffering most from Critchley I believe - I think he will have a very good career. Be horrible asset management if we lose him and Marv. Get an attacking manager and play a 4-1-3-2 or 4-4-2 and he would shine
I feel a lot of players are unhappy
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I agree.

I've also thought about it a bit more. He also had a storming role when we tried the 10 man comeback versus Peterborough and again, the system went out of the window.

Essentially, twice this season he's looked really good and both times it's when we've gone all out attack out of necessity.
 
You see flashes every now and then of potential like in the Preston game or Bolton away but more often than not you don’t notice him, probably needs to drop down a league
 
td53 said:
Yes he did. He tried to wriggle through for a shot but got dispossessed on edge of the box so that's at least 1 touch.

srsly tho. I can't actually believe that we're still starting 'sonny isnt up to it' threads when he's played about 10 mins of the last 6 weeks.

I genuinely actually for real not even joking or owt think we're often better with Sonny than without as he runs about (I think that's maybe what others call 'hiding' perhaps???) and is pretty good with the ball.

No he isn't a tough tackler but he constantly moves and takes positions and gives an option. He's often to be found moving off another player or haring into a space.

That fundamental element (a player who makes runs and can take and give the ball in a tight space) isn't sexy or obvious but it makes a team more fluid. It's kind of what Grant Ward did for us.

Don't care if there's only me thinks it. Sonny Carey is far from the key issue. The fact we've actually been *worse* without him kind of paints a picture that he might have some function after all.

Grant Ward got a fair bit of 'but what does he do?' as well. Carey is a player who if we actually had more overall movement and fluidity would make a lot more sense I think. He was amazing second half at Fleetwood which was the one game where we basically chucked caution to the wind and attacked with freedom. He absolutely thrived on the options available and the ability to run into spaces left by the movement of others.

In a static team where basically we hit long balls or Dembele dribbles (and that's basically it) then a player like him isn't going to thrive.
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Agree fully here.
Sonny does a hell of a lot of running. It’s more the team ‘tactics/set-up’ that is the problem.
I rate him and if he is used correctly.
The bandwagon of slagging our players off is amazing sometimes.
 
How many players looked like they had potential last season even in a higher league?
Marv, Gabriel,Lyon’s and at times Carey, only one man to blame 😡
He’s turned decent players into pub team players with his crap system, just go now 😡
 
Seasided said:
Agree fully here.
Sonny does a hell of a lot of running. It’s more the team ‘tactics/set-up’ that is the problem.
I rate him and if he is used correctly.
The bandwagon of slagging our players off is amazing sometimes.
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I don't mind if it's actually factual. Carey has had more shots per game than any other midfielder including Dembele, he's one of most accurate passers and he is in the top 25% in terms of dealing with possession (i.e. lowest number of 'unsuccessful touches'

I've literally been at a game this year when someone near me has carried on blaming him for things on the pitch after he's been substituted.

I'm not saying the lad is the next Pele, but use him correctly in an attacking line up where we're genuinely attacking as our default and I swear he's a 10-15 goal midfielder and that's gold dust. I could be wrong about that, but he absolutely thrives when there's space to exploit created by the movement of others and this not what our set up is currently about. It's all about 'shape, in and out of possession' which is a mantra Critchley clearly believes in.

The two times we've played a more chaotic attacking style (the Peterborough and Fleetwood all out chasing of a lost cause) Carey has 3 goals in two halves of football and he could have had another at Fleetwood.

I get fed up with players being deemed 'this level' or 'that level' as if it's a 1986 copy of Football Manager and each player has a number that indicates there ability and it's nothing to do with who your teammates are or how the team play or set up or confidence or anything else like that.

As if all managing a football team is getting 11 'promotion level players' and playing 442 and that's the end of it.

I've seen enough in Carey to say he's got an unusual level of technical quality for a league 1 kid plucked from nowhere. He had a magical impetuosity about him too. It actually makes me sad as fuck to see it ground out of him by a mixture of dour tactics and miserable grumbling bastards who moan if he passes short, moan if he tries a clever pass and moan cos he's not Neil ** Bishop.
 
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