Did we lose many because of NAPM?

Wee_Bob

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Was talking to a new client today and established we both 'supported' the 'Pool although he confessed after NAPM he came back for the Southend game, came back for the PNE game this season but otherwise hasn't been back. Was a ST holder for years but just found life offered other stuff away from football. Still watches our results and the highlights and had a good knowledge of where we're up to but has said it's unlikely he'd make it his 'ritual' again. Wonder how many others we lost?
 
Was talking to a new client today and established we both 'supported' the 'Pool although he confessed after NAPM he came back for the Southend game, came back for the PNE game this season but otherwise hasn't been back. Was a ST holder for years but just found life offered other stuff away from football. Still watches our results and the highlights and had a good knowledge of where we're up to but has said it's unlikely he'd make it his 'ritual' again. Wonder how many others we lost?
Inevitably we lost some although looking at attendances we probably picked up a whole host more newbies?

Plus the newbies are probably youngsters starting their journey with us which is great as they’ll spread the gospel quicker.

I think overall we are in a better position now
 
There's been many threads on this in the past so doubt you'll get much of a response but to summarise my view;

We lost a generation during the boycott but since then the club have taken big strides to re-ingratiate themselves within the community and have, in my view, done excellently to bring in a new raft of young supporters. Now we're not far off ST holder numbers in the seasons immediately following the Premier League which is especially impressive when you consider many put off by Covid so we're probably about level now with pre-boycott in terms of fan interest / connection.

I'd expect ST numbers to grow by another 1,000 or so next season.
 
I know a few people who have lost interest during the boycott...ive tried to get them back but theyve just said the same thing, theyve found other things to do on a Sat afternoon.

One of them used to be a regular in the exec lounge...Ive told them till im blue in the face that its a completely different atmosphere now and team outlook but no joy.

I'll keep chipping away !!!

#UTMP
 
I know a couple who defected to Fleetwood. Now Cod ST holders.

That lad in the South Stand ( from Cleveleys) I noticed wearing a Fleetwood top during the boycott years.
Has he returned ?

A few fair Weather fans reckoned they lost the “ buzz” when in League 1 but now returned.
Always be a few who lose interest and many newcomers.
 
I know a couple who defected to Fleetwood. Now Cod ST holders.

That lad in the South Stand ( from Cleveleys) I noticed wearing a Fleetwood top during the boycott years.
Has he returned ?

A few fair Weather fans reckoned they lost the “ buzz” when in League 1 but now returned.
Always be a few who lose interest and many newcomers.
If you defected permanently to Fleetwood Town then you were absolutely never ever a real Blackpool fan.
 
If we're talking specifically NAPM, then I think the fact that we were promoted so soon after new ownership will have mostly eliminated any impact it might've had on our fanbase. There will always be one or two that haven't returned, but I tend to think there is still a lot of progress and a lot of excitement to come for us which may still recapture the "lost ones".

We did lose a generation of fans without question due to Oyston ownership over a 30 year period that caused us to roll around the lower leagues for decades unnecessarily. It's going to take a lot longer than three years of new ownership to repair the damage to the fanbase that caused. At least a decade if not longer, genuinely. The effect of NAPM we're talking about the difference between maybe a few hundred home fans, but I think we'd be capable of a thousand or two better than what we get had we been run properly for the last 30 years.
 
I don’t buy into this true supporter stuff. We have lost people. The majority of people who I know who say they support Blackpool rarely attend anyway. Many just seem to have now lost the habit and do other things.
 
Average attendances (below) are not back to Holloway/pre- boycott levels but seem to be recovering now we are back in the Championship. About 2000 down on pre-boycott levels. Not bad considering the 5 year period we had pre Sadler. But could be better, considering we are now Oyston free and the whole vibe is there and the football is good. Should rise again next season if the team pushes on. ST prices are higher now of course, parachute money was used to keep them down and keep us quiet while £millions were siphoned! I think price must be a factor. And Covid to an extent perhaps. Some lost fans, some new fans, higher ST prices, pandemic

Can't find 20/21 figure.

2021--22: 11,758
2020--21: ???
2019–20: 8,770
2018–19: 5,517
2017–18: 4,178
2016–17: 3,456
2015–16: 7,052
2014–15: 10,928
2013–14: 14,217 (82%)
2012–13: 13,916 (80%)
2011–12: 12,764 (79%)
2010–11: 15,782 (97%)
2009–10: 8,611 (91%)
2008–09: 7,842 (81%)
2007–08: 8,861 (92%)
2006–07: 6,877 (73%)
2005–06: 5,820 (61%)
 
It will likely take something really special to get some of those ‘lost supporters’ to change their habits…

That might mean (for example) some ground redevelopment or a promotion / play off run or maybe another Wembley Final….

That’s why our Derby games are so important and why we really need to get the Capacity up to a suitable level and start actively promoting those big games…..Similarly the big FA Cup draws…. Those games can be real turning points where you can win new or lapsed fans back, they’re the opportunities to showcase the club.
 
Average attendances (below) are not back to Holloway/pre- boycott levels but seem to be recovering now we are back in the Championship. About 2000 down on pre-boycott levels. Not bad considering the 5 year period we had pre Sadler. But could be better, considering we are now Oyston free and the whole vibe is there and the football is good. Should rise again next season if the team pushes on. ST prices are higher now of course, parachute money was used to keep them down and keep us quiet while £millions were siphoned! I think price must be a factor. And Covid to an extent perhaps. Some lost fans, some new fans, higher ST prices, pandemic

Can't find 20/21 figure.

2021--22: 11,758
2020--21: ???
2019–20: 8,770
2018–19: 5,517
2017–18: 4,178
2016–17: 3,456
2015–16: 7,052
2014–15: 10,928
2013–14: 14,217 (82%)
2012–13: 13,916 (80%)
2011–12: 12,764 (79%)
2010–11: 15,782 (97%)
2009–10: 8,611 (91%)
2008–09: 7,842 (81%)
2007–08: 8,861 (92%)
2006–07: 6,877 (73%)
2005–06: 5,820 (61%)
Not sure about season tickets prices being higher , we were paying £459 back in 2007 , 15 years ago !
 
Average attendances (below) are not back to Holloway/pre- boycott levels but seem to be recovering now we are back in the Championship. About 2000 down on pre-boycott levels. Not bad considering the 5 year period we had pre Sadler. But could be better, considering we are now Oyston free and the whole vibe is there and the football is good. Should rise again next season if the team pushes on. ST prices are higher now of course, parachute money was used to keep them down and keep us quiet while £millions were siphoned! I think price must be a factor. And Covid to an extent perhaps. Some lost fans, some new fans, higher ST prices, pandemic

Can't find 20/21 figure.

2021--22: 11,758
2020--21: ???
2019–20: 8,770
2018–19: 5,517
2017–18: 4,178
2016–17: 3,456
2015–16: 7,052
2014–15: 10,928
2013–14: 14,217 (82%)
2012–13: 13,916 (80%)
2011–12: 12,764 (79%)
2010–11: 15,782 (97%)
2009–10: 8,611 (91%)
2008–09: 7,842 (81%)
2007–08: 8,861 (92%)
2006–07: 6,877 (73%)
2005–06: 5,820 (61%)
2020/2021 was behind closed doors ( covid)
 
We always lose supporters.
Supported Pool since early 60’s and very few of my original friends rarely attend.
They have dropped out for various reasons and nothing to do with NAPM.

Home attendances have never been high since 50’s.
It is looking healthy now though as many younger fans are attracted and no longer embarrassing to admit you are a Blackpool fan.
 
Average attendances (below) are not back to Holloway/pre- boycott levels but seem to be recovering now we are back in the Championship. About 2000 down on pre-boycott levels. Not bad considering the 5 year period we had pre Sadler. But could be better, considering we are now Oyston free and the whole vibe is there and the football is good. Should rise again next season if the team pushes on. ST prices are higher now of course, parachute money was used to keep them down and keep us quiet while £millions were siphoned! I think price must be a factor. And Covid to an extent perhaps. Some lost fans, some new fans, higher ST prices, pandemic

Can't find 20/21 figure.

2021--22: 11,758
2020--21: ???
2019–20: 8,770
2018–19: 5,517
2017–18: 4,178
2016–17: 3,456
2015–16: 7,052
2014–15: 10,928
2013–14: 14,217 (82%)
2012–13: 13,916 (80%)
2011–12: 12,764 (79%)
2010–11: 15,782 (97%)
2009–10: 8,611 (91%)
2008–09: 7,842 (81%)
2007–08: 8,861 (92%)
2006–07: 6,877 (73%)
2005–06: 5,820 (61%)
You have to remember the crowds were only swelled from going to the prem and subsequent good football and buzz after.

Before those years we had been mainly in the lower leagues for years and lost many fans there.

What we need now is a sustained period of stability and success.

It will likely take something really special to get some of those ‘lost supporters’ to change their habits…

That might mean (for example) some ground redevelopment or a promotion / play off run or maybe another Wembley Final….

That’s why our Derby games are so important and why we really need to get the Capacity up to a suitable level and start actively promoting those big games…..Similarly the big FA Cup draws…. Those games can be real turning points where you can win new or lapsed fans back, they’re the opportunities to showcase the club.
This is why I mentioned the cost of promotion last season when missing out on the playoff home game sellout and 30k to Wembley, those casuals who then by attending a game, some return the following season. Seeing us win at Wembley is enough to reignite any fans passion.

This is why to me, its absolutely vital to have a cheap price, some deals, make it easy for new or lapsed fans to attend these big games. We really needed a cup run with a big side at home too. All these things would help massively.

People say well some have been lost to other things, can't be true fans, maybe. But from purely a numbers game we can get them back.

It might also help if Fleetwood went down too.

But we need to concentrate on ourselves and the clubs offerings on deals, prices and big games hasn't been good enough so far.

The prices for big games are raised too high, the walk ons overcharged even more, a potentially dodgy previous purchase history request with not all of them having it, no deals or offers.

The east is limiting us and what we can do. But remember that meeting where some at the club said no plans to open the east to home fans, I think not getting that NE end prepared with some temp facilities was a mistake. Yes we'd have away fans leaving South but so what, worth a bit of disruption to grow the fanbase and if they opened the north gate to home fans it would have reduced the numbers traipsing round the stadium.

If we want to attract these people and more back, we have to do some of the above.

I'm a little disappointed we haven't been more proactive on this. Given we know we have lost fans, we know the poverty of the area therfore sensitivity to price and we know we just have to get many back through the door for big games.

We need to capitalise now whilst the going is pretty good.
 
I know a couple who defected to Fleetwood. Now Cod ST holders.

That lad in the South Stand ( from Cleveleys) I noticed wearing a Fleetwood top during the boycott years.
Has he returned ?

A few fair Weather fans reckoned they lost the “ buzz” when in League 1 but now returned.
Always be a few who lose interest and many newcomers.
I know the lad from Cleveleys wearing a Cods top,I clocked him at a Pool,Fleetwood game. The ultimate crime you can commit in my supporters handbook,you never ever quit on you're club.
 
You have to remember the crowds were only swelled from going to the prem and subsequent good football and buzz after.

Before those years we had been mainly in the lower leagues for years and lost many fans there.
True but we've just been promoted, got rid of the Oystons, and are competing well in the Championship. Season Tickets were very cheap during the parachute years and kept the Prem support level going. I suspect there is a wodge of people who struggle to pay 25ish a game and who baulk at 370ish for a ST, in a town with Blackpool's economy. We may sell more STs next season off the back of a promising return to tier two and the atmosphere in the ground. Paying in monthly instalments would help. Don't think was available, or fully accessible, this season? We are capable of averaging 14k in this league, recent history suggests. Maybe more if we had a bigger capacity, which may facilitate cheaper ST prices.
 
I think years of stagnation and frustration under the Os did far more damage, and in fact any damage during the boycott years squarely sits in the same pot. I think it’s time to look forwards though, everything about the club now seems to be about maximising every advantage, commercial and fan based so the future is bright. 🍊
 
I know a few people who have lost interest during the boycott...ive tried to get them back but theyve just said the same thing, theyve found other things to do on a Sat afternoon.

One of them used to be a regular in the exec lounge...Ive told them till im blue in the face that its a completely different atmosphere now and team outlook but no joy.

I'll keep chipping away !!!

#UTMP
I wouldn’t waste your time…..their loss.
 
Only recently, I passed a comment to a friend that in my many years worshipping at the Bloomfield Shrine I am so encouraged to see so many young supporters at the games - more than for a very long time. Or is that my fading memory!
 
True but we've just been promoted, got rid of the Oystons, and are competing well in the Championship. Season Tickets were very cheap during the parachute years and kept the Prem support level going. I suspect there is a wodge of people who struggle to pay 25ish a game and who baulk at 370ish for a ST, in a town with Blackpool's economy. We may sell more STs next season off the back of a promising return to tier two and the atmosphere in the ground. Paying in monthly instalments would help. Don't think was available, or fully accessible, this season? We are capable of averaging 14k in this league, recent history suggests. Maybe more if we had a bigger capacity, which may facilitate cheaper ST prices.
Yes but also as said that usual promotion playoff sellout and Wembley 30k is pretty massive. For a club who went through what we want through with the boycott etc, those 2 days were essential for welcoming and luring people back. We missed them and although we still gained from promotion, we didn't capitalise on it like usual.

The season started and we had a very high priced friendly against Rangers, that should have been a low price and fill the stadium. It was cancelled anyway.

Then first game of the season rather than a deal to fill the ground we charged 28 quid for Cardiff, 30 walk on, after covid this wasn't the way to go.

We've missed some chances and I don't get why we wouldn't do all we can to fill the stadium and undo some of the things we've missed out on. These big feelgood days like Wembley, playoff or a derby game don't happen often and these are the times when the casuals, part timers, new fans will want to come so we have to be able to capitalise on it.
 
You have to remember the crowds were only swelled from going to the prem and subsequent good football and buzz after.

Before those years we had been mainly in the lower leagues for years and lost many fans there.

What we need now is a sustained period of stability and success.


This is why I mentioned the cost of promotion last season when missing out on the playoff home game sellout and 30k to Wembley, those casuals who then by attending a game, some return the following season. Seeing us win at Wembley is enough to reignite any fans passion.

This is why to me, its absolutely vital to have a cheap price, some deals, make it easy for new or lapsed fans to attend these big games. We really needed a cup run with a big side at home too. All these things would help massively.

People say well some have been lost to other things, can't be true fans, maybe. But from purely a numbers game we can get them back.

It might also help if Fleetwood went down too.

But we need to concentrate on ourselves and the clubs offerings on deals, prices and big games hasn't been good enough so far.

The prices for big games are raised too high, the walk ons overcharged even more, a potentially dodgy previous purchase history request with not all of them having it, no deals or offers.

The east is limiting us and what we can do. But remember that meeting where some at the club said no plans to open the east to home fans, I think not getting that NE end prepared with some temp facilities was a mistake. Yes we'd have away fans leaving South but so what, worth a bit of disruption to grow the fanbase and if they opened the north gate to home fans it would have reduced the numbers traipsing round the stadium.

If we want to attract these people and more back, we have to do some of the above.

I'm a little disappointed we haven't been more proactive on this. Given we know we have lost fans, we know the poverty of the area therfore sensitivity to price and we know we just have to get many back through the door for big games.

We need to capitalise now whilst the going is pretty good.
If Fleetwoods gates halve we might get a couple of hundred extra.
 
If Fleetwoods gates halve we might get a couple of hundred extra.
All adds up and all welcome. Even that scheme with the shirts only needs 100 kids to want to go and then 100 parents have to take them, thats if only 1 goes, could be 2 parents going. Could even be if younger kid goes so does whole family.

Could be another few hundred.
 
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