Does anyone know what’s happened to Nuttall?

He was almost undroppable under Grayson.
I wonder if we could persuade him to come in with a cheeky bid, and take him to the Cod's?
 
1950`spoolfan said:
I take your point and I certainly believe in helping others. I wouldn`t normally mention it and never have before on here but just to show that I do have some compassion and do care I did get an award and a scroll presented by our Lord Mayor in Sheffield after I completed 5 years of voluntary fund raising for our local Hospice. Apologies for mentioning it.

It`s just those who constantly complain but do very little constructively that get to me. I admire the one`s who complain little but do plenty to help as well as those that when possible have the strength of character to overcome their own shortcomings.
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I do appreciate what you say, I guess we all admire those seem to be able to cope with anything. However, it is perhaps timely to remember that suicide is the biggest killer in young and not so young men.

Happy Easter to you too, 3 points to start does indeed make it a Good Friday 👍
 
td53 said:
In 1997 my uncle killed himself. He never spoke about depression. The first we knew about it was a suicide attempt, followed fairly quickly afterwards by a succesful suicide attempt.

Not so easy for him 'to just get on with it'

For the record, he was 6.3 and a real mans man. Liked his golf, his beer, his food, his women. Didn't hold much truck with sensitive types and feelings. Then he offed himself.

In the 1920s, a striker of unknown height (I can't remember his name) who played for a club in the north east (I can't remember which one) went home after a game and put his head in the gas oven. It was one of the reasons Herbert Chapman always spoke out against 'barracking' of players.

That was 90+ years before twitter and today's snowflake generation.

But hey ho - you know best chief. You know best.
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I am sorry for what happened to your uncle, I truly am, I also had a close relative who chose to end their life without anyone even suspecting anything was amiss. There are, and always have been, people with serious mental issues and they need all the help available. My point was, and is, the slightest thing these days is pointed in the direction of mental health. The majority of these people are just looking for excuses to abdicate their responsibility for all sorts of things up to and including murder. Most people just need to get their act together and face up to their actions and responsibilities. I hope this clears up any misinterpretation of my post.
 
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I am sorry for what happened to your uncle, I truly am, I also had a close relative who chose to end their life without anyone even suspecting anything was amiss. There are, and always have been, people with serious mental issues and they need all the help available. My point was, and is, the slightest thing these days is pointed in the direction of mental health. The majority of these people are just looking for excuses to abdicate their responsibility for all sorts of things up to and including murder. Most people just need to get their act together and face up to their actions and responsibilities. I hope this clears up any misinterpretation of my post.
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Fair play mate and I appreciate the reply and indeed the experience it comes from. To be honest, the last quote, I don't think I really read properly.

I think my point is that it's very difficult to help people who need the help, especially men, as they often don't make it known that they need help, because big, strong men like them, see that as a weakness or don't have the vocabulary. As people use terms like 'snowflake', left, right and centre, sometimes with good reason and sometimes not, it exacerbates that difficulty...

Blokes are really bad at asking for help. Sometimes so are women, but blokes particularly so - partly, I would guess, because of a society in which blokes are supposed to just 'get on with it'

I think the cost of trying to address that is to some extent a bit annoying. I work with someone who is often 'just not feeling right' and I never, ever take time off. It winds me up. It's taking the piss out of others. But, on the flip side, that cost has benefits.
 
The lad has talent. Hope he can resolve his issues.
If he does suffer from mental health issues we should be supportive. He’s just a young lad at the end of the day.
He hasn’t done anything wrong.
When he interviewed on signing something wasn’t right.
It would be nice if he could sort whatever his issues are out and score plenty of goals for us next season in the championship
 
Scaramanga said:
Gotta say I was and I am still desperate for this lad to succeed, especially in a pool shirt, he looks in all intense and purposes a footballer. Good luck Joe and I hope to see you banging the goals in soon.
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I think most fans were (and still are) desperate for him to do well but were shocked with what he actually produced (or didn't) when out on the pitch. Remember this is a player who was at Man City, went to Blackburn and scored goals for fun in the U-23 team.

One ex-Pool player I remember who was unmercifully abused was Mel Holden, signed from Sunderland and big things were expected of him. He played a handful of games and was to put it bluntly....awful. He soon left to go and play in Holland and it was there he was diagnosed with Motor Neuron Disease and tragically died aged 26. Just goes to show footballers are human and can face some of the same challenges in life all of us have. Every person is entitled to his/her privacy particularly regarding health issues.

Hopefully, given time Joe can overcome whatever challenges he faces and come back stronger even if it is a life outside of football. I am sure we would all wish him the best.
 
He's probably helping out Scott Minto-the former Charlton player- who's he's in business with.

They manufacturer the traditional buttery sweets that have been very popular.
 
Plumbs said:
He's probably helping out Scott Minto-the former Charlton player- who's he's in business with.

They manufacturer the traditional buttery sweets that have been very popular.
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Nuttall threads are an excuse for puns ffs.

His sister has recently had a kid, so he's actually gone into business with Scott in the Wigan area manufacturing round sweets that 'keep you all aglow'

Uncle Joe's Minto Balls.
 
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1950`spoolfan said:
Harsh things were said but if you perform like he did it was hardly surprising. That`s what happens in the competitive world of football when I last looked or is it now unacceptable to comment on really poor performances allied to an apparent shortage of effort?

Failed footballers reputations matter,.Should all critical AVFTTers now take the knee on his behalf?

Equally Simon Sadler`s bank balance matters to us all too in the future interests of our club.
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Not a nice post really.
 
Wasn’t it an ACL injury? Was always going to be out for the season

hope he comes back and proves you all wrong next season
 
So when you are watching a game do you never criticize the players because you`re so very kind? As I said that`s ridiculous.Praise when praise is justified and exactly the same with criticism.
 
Strikers are first and foremost judged on the number of goals they score and then on their overall play and effort and if we`ve spent a relatively large amount on them rather more is expected.We all have our own opinions.From what I saw he fell short on all aspects.So I express my view on here which I thought is what this site was for.
 
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But nobody knows if it is mental health do they?

Where has this 'mental issue' rumour come from anyway FFS?

It came from some random poster on AVFTT who suggested it might be a reason...

You do realise there are other rumours on other BFC social media platforms, about why this Grayson/Dunne signing is not in favour, don't you!?

It wasnt that long ago, I remember Blackpool players being booed by the home fans when their names were read out over the public address system, before kick off FFS!

There's no comparison!
 
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Was it the man, or was it the system that didn't suit his kind of play?

Don't forget, he was part of a team built around Gnands, hoof it, get it to the wing, cross it and Gnands will do the rest.

He scored a very good goal at Ipswich and I had hope that this would be the start of something better than we had seen, unfortunately, the system didn't change and his chances of showing us what he was capable of were minimal.

Playing the same sort of game that Simms is playing, I feel he could prove his worth and hope, if he comes back, that I am right. Come on Joe show us the real player that is definitely in you.
 
Curryman said:
Was it the man, or was it the system that didn't suit his kind of play?

Don't forget, he was part of a team built around Gnands, hoof it, get it to the wing, cross it and Gnands will do the rest.

He scored a very good goal at Ipswich and I had hope that this would be the start of something better than we had seen, unfortunately, the system didn't change and his chances of showing us what he was capable of were minimal.

Playing the same sort of game that Simms is playing, I feel he could prove his worth and hope, if he comes back, that I am right. Come on Joe show us the real player that is definitely in you.
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Whatever Joe's problems are, and clearly they must be off the field issues, the Club are going to have to make a decision this summer.
We will certainly need at least one other striker for next season and maybe two or three depending on the Niggles Madine and Bad Boy Lubala situations.
Looks like the recruitment team are going to be busy. Of course a lot will also depend on what division we find ourselves in.
 
Good luck to the lad. Hope he gets back playing asap. I can’t see it will be with us though as any set back he’d have here will be harder to get over because of the baggage and fans.
 
Dr Hfuhruhurr said:
Interesting question of whether the recognition and "legitimising" of mental health issues has opened a door that people are willing to walk through. Was that door previously shut or have we just built a new door with a big welcome sign on it? Interestingly the male suicide rate has remained broadly constant since 2000 at around 17 per 1000 pa. Hasn't depression been around since time immemorial as an intrinsic part of the human condition, melancholia was written about in the 19th century after all?

50s makes a really interesting point though in that perspective is fundamental in the ability of an individual, and even society in general, to deal with the bad times. Didn't hear about depression during the Blitz, did we? Was it around or were people too busy trying to stay alive and keeping their loves ones fed. Depression is recognised as a combination of biological, psychological, and social factors, so if the zeitgeist is to share one's problems that's what people will do.

Sorry to spout on in a footy forum on this but its a subject close to my heart. I went through periods in the past of being fed up and peed off about various things, as we all do - and thought depression was a failure of the weak minded. But then something took hold after a particular event and I spiralled to the point where I was sitting under my desk at work in the foetal position - thank f**k I was on my own in the office. And I own the business! Six months of sertraline got me out of that mental s**t show and all is Ok at the mo. But a factor in that spiral is the feeling of being weak, pathetic, a snowflake, letting down your wife, kids, colleagues, parents. It's no f**kin; joke I can tell you and I wouldn't wish it on any one.

I'm 6"2 and 13 1/2 stone if that's relevant.

#UTMP
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Having two brains must've helped surely?

Re Nuttall. I saw him come off the bench at Rochdale and he looked disinterested slash terrified. That fear didn't begin in Blackpool. The problem already existed, I'm sure. It doesn't mean it's ok for people to get abusive on social media and exacerbate the problem. Discussing the lack of effectiveness of a player is a reasonable thing to do but some comments go beyond the reasonable. It's reasonable to point that out.
 
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SeasideKurt said:
I actually think he has far more ability than Simms. Better touch. Better strike. Stronger.

But he has been at the lowest depth of confidence we saw him. 100% a player in there.
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I'm sorry but to say he has "far more ability" than Simms is absolutely ludicrous, I'm unsure of what you saw of Nuttall last season to form that opinion. I'd accept someone preferring Nuttall as much as I wouldn't agree but "far more ability" is a bit too much hyperbole for me.

Joe Nuttall
59 senior appearances, 8 goals

Ellis Simms
12 senior appearances, 4 goals

I don't ever remember Nuttall bullying someone off the ball, or wrestling with someone and winning a penalty like Simms did at Charlton. I certainly don't remember this "better strike" and the goal tally speaks for that (both of Nuttall's 2 goals for Blackpool FC were headers to boot), he certainly never scored a goal like Simms did on Friday. Remember as well this is Simms first time playing senior football, Nuttall had come to us with a full season under his belt and various short spells elsewhere.

Simms matched Nuttall's goalscoring tally for us over 27 appearances in his first 20 minutes in a Blackpool shirt. I wonder how many senior goals he'll have by the time he reaches 59 appearances considering he's halfway to Nuttall's tally with a mere 47 to go?

I certainly have no love affair with Simms, but I feel compelled to fight his corner when you've said Nuttall has far more ability than him because it isn't true.
 
voyeur said:
Having two brains must've helped surely?

Re Nuttall. I saw him come off the bench at Rochdale and he looked disinterested slash terrified. That fear didn't begin in Blackpool. The problem already existed, I'm sure. It doesn't mean it's ok for people to get abusive on social media and exacerbate the problem. Discussing the lack of effectiveness of a player is a reasonable thing to do but some comments go beyond the reasonable. It's reasonable to point that out.
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The away game at Rotherham, I genuinely worried for him. The fear in his eyes was unlike anything I've ever seen in a professional player.

On the flip side, Super Joe may not have given us what we expected but he gave us that last minute goal against Ipswich and him going into the crowd is one of my all time favourite football photos ever.
 
Does anyone know if he is training with the first team? He's cost a pretty penny according to some so in our interests to keep him fit.
 
As far as any mental health rumours are concerned I have no idea like everyone on here.As far as his on field performances are concerned which is normally how fans judge their players, in 27 league games some as sub. he scored twice and whenever I saw him his overall contribution was minimal as was his commitment. In terms of value for money with reputedly by far our largest transfer fee since our present owner SS took over and on a big wage to boot he must be by far our worst signing. It is yet more evidence of what a poor job Simon Grayson, whose choice he was,did for our club.

I am just amazed there are so many amateur psychiatrists on here who have absolutely no firm knowledge of Nuttall`s state of mind, just a few vague unreliable social media rumours to go on.
 
I invite any of the posters on here with quite frankly archaic, misinformed and ignorant views on depression, anxiety and mental health in general to get in contact with me. I participate in sessions with an organisation called ‘Team Dad’ who run casual 5aside football sessions across the northwest for any ability, age and fitness and the major reason for doing so is to try and support people (ordinary people) with mental health issues and to help prevent mental health issues occurring in people. As for the ‘wouldn’t say it to your face’ idea... I’ll happily tell you straight when your views are simply incorrect and backed up by nothing but plain ignorance and I’ll tell you so within striking distance.

If anyone is interested we have sessions in Fleetwood, Kirkham, Preston, Lancaster, Blackpool, Blackburn, Skem and quite a few other places. The only qualifying factor is your either a dad, guardian, carer, uncle, or something similar (however you define it is irrelevant really).

I think some of you would really really benefit from coming along.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
As far as any mental health rumours are concerned I have no idea like everyone on here.As far as his on field performances are concerned which is normally how fans judge their players, in 27 league games some as sub. he scored twice and whenever I saw him his overall contribution was minimal as was his commitment. In terms of value for money with reputedly by far our largest transfer fee since our present owner SS took over and on a big wage to boot he must be by far our worst signing. It is yet more evidence of what a poor job Simon Grayson, whose choice he was,did for our club.

I am just amazed there are so many amateur psychiatrists on here who have absolutely no firm knowledge of Nuttall`s state of mind, just a few vague unreliable social media rumours to go on.
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We all see things differently. The Grayson formation was all about Gnand's one of the laziest footballers to wear a tangerine shirt. When I saw Nuttall play he was usually out of position, he just didn't work with Gnand's and played his best when Gnand's wasn't in the team. He is a far better footballer than Gnands and he would be perfectly suited to play alongside Yates or even Madine or Simms. He became the whipping boy for many when it was Grayson's fault, I loved Larry when he was a player, less so as a manager as I always thought Thommo and parkes were the main men and when he returned he was gash, as Fleetwood are finding out fast.

So. Joe is our player, he has 2 years left on his contract and I hope he is well on the way to recovery and that next year he gets his chance to stake his claim and show the talent he clearly has.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
I invite any of the posters on here with quite frankly archaic, misinformed and ignorant views on depression, anxiety and mental health in general to get in contact with me. I participate in sessions with an organisation called ‘Team Dad’ who run casual 5aside football sessions across the northwest for any ability, age and fitness and the major reason for doing so is to try and support people (ordinary people) with mental health issues and to help prevent mental health issues occurring in people. As for the ‘wouldn’t say it to your face’ idea... I’ll happily tell you straight when your views are simply incorrect and backed up by nothing but plain ignorance and I’ll tell you so within striking distance.

If anyone is interested we have sessions in Fleetwood, Kirkham, Preston, Lancaster, Blackpool, Blackburn, Skem and quite a few other places. The only qualifying factor is your either a dad, guardian, carer, uncle, or something similar (however you define it is irrelevant really).

I think some of you would really really benefit from coming along.
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Sounds like a very beneficial service. Good luck with that.

I would suggest a certain Blackpool striker should contact you if he fits your qualifying requirements which is probably unlikely but of course as there is absolutely no firm evidence that he needs such a service then my suggestion would be very premature.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
Sounds like a very beneficial service. Good luck with that.

I would suggest a certain Blackpool striker should contact you if he fits your qualifying requirements which is probably unlikely but of course as there is absolutely no firm evidence that he needs such a service then my suggestion would be very premature.
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He’s be welcomed with open arms - as would anyone on this board. Just to reiterate it’s not specifically FOR people with mental health issues (although I can safely say from a personal perspective that it helps). It’s for everyone and it’s goal is to help prevent. If your a dad or grandad or whatever get in touch.
 
An earlier post on this thread, said the male suicide rate had been constant since 2000 at 17 per 1000.
I think the actual rate is 100 times less i.e. 17 per 100,000.
 
🙄 It’s quite bizarre to watch you seemingly taking a stand against someone who might have a mental health issue 🤔😔
 
Recidivist3 said:
🙄 It’s quite bizarre to watch you seemingly taking a stand against someone who might have a mental health issue 🤔😔
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"Might" then again might not.Either way I only express an opinion on his performances for Blackpool as that is the only thing I have any knowledge of like everyone else on here.

Some like to express opinions on things they know nothing of ,I just prefer not to.
 
From what I saw last season he was a long long way from being capable of first team striker in Div1.
At least with Critch he will get sensible advice and a fair assessment- if they can’t coach him into the level required then it’s tine for Joe to move on.

When you compare his work ethic to Yates then the first major issue is there. Even lacking belief or with mental stresses he didn’t ever seem to put “a shift” in. He looked lazy or disinterested and high work rate/pressing is the minimum expectation in this Blackpool set up.
 
1st thing first before we all talk about his situation maybe we should get it confirmed what the situation actually is. That said however I agree the club needs to make a decision at the end of the season, doesn’t matter if his problem is mental or physical we cannot keep him on the books on a decent wage if he isn’t going to get better and become competitive (waiting for the criticism from people who know better, and please no more family related stories until we actually know the facts). Hope he gets better and starts pushing for his place in the squad, but if not sorry he cannot expect to stay on the books till the end of his contract with pay for no return.
 
Devonshire said:
1st thing first before we all talk about his situation maybe we should get it confirmed what the situation actually is. That said however I agree the club needs to make a decision at the end of the season, doesn’t matter if his problem is mental or physical we cannot keep him on the books on a decent wage if he isn’t going to get better and become competitive (waiting for the criticism from people who know better, and please no more family related stories until we actually know the facts). Hope he gets better and starts pushing for his place in the squad, but if not sorry he cannot expect to stay on the books till the end of his contract with pay for no return.
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That's why players are insured.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
I invite any of the posters on here with quite frankly archaic, misinformed and ignorant views on depression, anxiety and mental health in general to get in contact with me. I participate in sessions with an organisation called ‘Team Dad’ who run casual 5aside football sessions across the northwest for any ability, age and fitness and the major reason for doing so is to try and support people (ordinary people) with mental health issues and to help prevent mental health issues occurring in people. As for the ‘wouldn’t say it to your face’ idea... I’ll happily tell you straight when your views are simply incorrect and backed up by nothing but plain ignorance and I’ll tell you so within striking distance.

If anyone is interested we have sessions in Fleetwood, Kirkham, Preston, Lancaster, Blackpool, Blackburn, Skem and quite a few other places. The only qualifying factor is your either a dad, guardian, carer, uncle, or something similar (however you define it is irrelevant really).

I think some of you would really really benefit from coming along.
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From what I understand it's more of a family issue but that doesn't mean that isn't related to the Board's favoured diagnosis.
 
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