Dogs abuse

WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
Just a question here . Who thinks that Grimmy would have got the dogs abuse that Maxwell got if that major thumble had gone in against Birmingham. I like both goalies ,but one seems to get slated and the other seems to be allowed to ball juggle and it not get mentioned. We are on the verge of hounding one out the club and it should not be happening.
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If he'd had made all the mistakes Maxwell has that led to goals, I'm sure Grimshaw would be getting questioned too.

It was a bad fumble, but ultimately didn't go anywhere, so will be forgotten.
 
Absolutely agree
Seen a lot of stat comparisons which are delusional when you take in to account a change in manager/ style of play and change of players
He’s had a lot of unfair amount of stick and if he does leave in the summer he’ll always be a pool legend for me
 
Bpooltown54 said:
Absolutely agree
Seen a lot of stat comparisons which are delusional when you take in to account a change in manager/ style of play and change of players
He’s had a lot of unfair amount of stick and if he does leave in the summer he’ll always be a pool legend for me
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can't just be throwing around legend status willy nilly. He's nowhere near it
 
I don't think Maxwell would've been getting anywhere near as much criticism as he got if he'd kept two clean sheets in three games like Grimshaw has. Instead, he conceded 13 goals in his last four games, and while they aren't all his fault, we needed a change and the fact is it has worked. I can forgive a fumble (that didn't go in) more than I can just not coming to claim crosses when they're clearly gettable, regularly. If you notice, Grimmy is much more aggressive at this - it doesn't always work out but he's much more pro-active, and it gives the defence more confidence.
 
Personally I think that all the goalkeeper arguments stemmed from Grimmy getting replaced after a couple of bad performances but it didn't seem to matter how many mistakes Maxi made after that, it seemed that he was irreplaceable!!

I think that's why folk were jumping on here to highlight the mistakes Maxi was constantly making without any repercussions.

Since Grimmy came back into the team it looks, to me, like he's not that arsed.
He certainly isn't the keeper he was when he was dropped. However, he's only conceded 2 goals since his return so not doing too bad!!
 
Maxwell is on the career downslope, leaking goals for fun - some quite easily attributable to the keeper - and Grimshaw is already at or around the same level (even if you don’t think he is better and more proactive at actually keeping net) and considerably younger with cash in value. Maxwell was in the side for his supposed captaincy ability and or organisation/vocalising abilities. It was clearly the wrong call by poor managers albeit that was easy to justify on grounds of experience. The same experience that made Appleton and McCarthy such good managerial selections….

Maxwell was great under Critchley but that time is long gone and we were too slow to realise it. I wish him all the best at his new club.
 
BFC_53 said:
I don't think Maxwell would've been getting anywhere near as much criticism as he got if he'd kept two clean sheets in three games like Grimshaw has. Instead, he conceded 13 goals in his last four games, and while they aren't all his fault, we needed a change and the fact is it has worked. I can forgive a fumble (that didn't go in) more than I can just not coming to claim crosses when they're clearly gettable, regularly. If you notice, Grimmy is much more aggressive at this - it doesn't always work out but he's much more pro-active, and it gives the defence more confidence.
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Grimshaw stays on the line a lot too, but seems to know what he can get a bit more.

But when he does come he punches and usually gets there.

One problem with Maxwell was he would come for a cross and then stop, meaning defenders were unsure and then didn't commit to fully clearing the ball, as were caught in two minds. We saw this with Nelson, Husband recently. Whilst they made poor clearances or challenges, Maxwell was indecisive and that leads to confusion.
 
Now that Dobbie has managed to set his stamp on our style of play, we are ceding less shots on our goal… That in itself will result in less pressure on the keeper.

Whilst I don’t think Maxwell deserved to be the subject of abuse or the butt of internet piss taking, he had started to lose confidence and was struggling in his last few games in particular.

Since coming back, I think Grimmy has looked bright, his passing and confidence with the ball at feet looks better and he is much quicker off his line than Maxwell.

That said, he has also looked a bit flappy with high balls into the box / corners & set pieces and had had a few fumbles. Fortunately, on the whole, he’s conceded less goals and that’s a positive.

I’ve said it plenty of times and nothing that I e seem has changed my mind, that we need to be looking beyond both Maxwell and Grimshaw, if we want to establish ourselves in the Championship.
 
JJpool said:
Grimshaw stays on the line a lot too, but seems to know what he can get a bit more.

But when he does come he punches and usually gets there.

One problem with Maxwell was he would come for a cross and then stop, meaning defenders were unsure and then didn't commit to fully clearing the ball, as were caught in two minds. We saw this with Nelson, Husband recently. Whilst they made poor clearances or challenges, Maxwell was indecisive and that leads to confusion.
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Agree completely, it's Maxwell's indecisiveness that's been the problem. Any keeper can misjudge things, and actually I've nothing against Maxwell particularly, he's a decent keeper. But he's been woefully out of form lately, helping to gift games to the opposition when we can ill afford to and it was the right call by Dobbie to change it.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Personally I think that all the goalkeeper arguments stemmed from Grimmy getting replaced after a couple of bad performances but it didn't seem to matter how many mistakes Maxi made after that, it seemed that he was irreplaceable!!

I think that's why folk were jumping on here to highlight the mistakes Maxi was constantly making without any repercussions.

Since Grimmy came back into the team it looks, to me, like he's not that arsed.
He certainly isn't the keeper he was when he was dropped. However, he's only conceded 2 goals since his return so not doing too bad!!
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I think your right about the first bit, this all stems from Appleton and dropping him for a couple of half mistakes, not even bad ones when you look back. 1 parry at Rotherham from a hard shot, Millwall a solid header almost kept out but hits the post and goes just over the line, there's some shaky moments but not a lot else that led to goals I don't think.

So when you see our most agile and best reaction save keeper dropped for that, then see Maxwell make a lot more mistakes, it leads to people seeing an injustice and pointing out the faults.

As for Grimshaw not caring not so sure about that, he's come in from the cold and will benefit from a run of games, his triple save yesterday certainly didn't suggest not caring.

 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
Just a question here . Who thinks that Grimmy would have got the dogs abuse that Maxwell got if that major thumble had gone in against Birmingham. I like both goalies ,but one seems to get slated and the other seems to be allowed to ball juggle and it not get mentioned. We are on the verge of hounding one out the club and it should not be happening.
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He didn’t concede though did he 🙄
 
clappers said:
Maxwell is on the career downslope, leaking goals for fun - some quite easily attributable to the keeper - and Grimshaw is already at or around the same level (even if you don’t think he is better and more proactive at actually keeping net) and considerably younger with cash in value. Maxwell was in the side for his supposed captaincy ability and or organisation/vocalising abilities. It was clearly the wrong call by poor managers albeit that was easy to justify on grounds of experience. The same experience that made Appleton and McCarthy such good managerial selections….

Maxwell was great under Critchley but that time is long gone and we were too slow to realise it. I wish him all the best at his new club.
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Yep he's nearly 33 and you begin to lose that agility and speed. You gain experience yes but that speed can get keepers out of trouble as we've seen.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
Just a question here . Who thinks that Grimmy would have got the dogs abuse that Maxwell got if that major thumble had gone in against Birmingham. I like both goalies ,but one seems to get slated and the other seems to be allowed to ball juggle and it not get mentioned. We are on the verge of hounding one out the club and it should not be happening.
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He’s out of contract in the summer and was up for leaving last one…. No hounding out.

“What if” you posted some sense for once 👍🏼
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
Just a question here . Who thinks that Grimmy would have got the dogs abuse that Maxwell got if that major thumble had gone in against Birmingham. I like both goalies ,but one seems to get slated and the other seems to be allowed to ball juggle and it not get mentioned. We are on the verge of hounding one out the club and it should not be happening.
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It DIDNT go in 🤷🏽‍♂️
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Now that Dobbie has managed to set his stamp on our style of play, we are ceding less shots on our goal… That in itself will result in less pressure on the keeper.

Whilst I don’t think Maxwell deserved to be the subject of abuse or the butt of internet piss taking, he had started to lose confidence and was struggling in his last few games in particular.

Since coming back, I think Grimmy has looked bright, his passing and confidence with the ball at feet looks better and he is much quicker off his line than Maxwell.

That said, he has also looked a bit flappy with high balls into the box / corners & set pieces and had had a few fumbles. Fortunately, on the whole, he’s conceded less goals and that’s a positive.

I’ve said it plenty of times and nothing that I e seem has changed my mind, that we need to be looking beyond both Maxwell and Grimshaw, if we want to establish ourselves in the Championship.
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Have said that that before, a big keeper who claims a lot.

The only issue is they aren't always as agile.

You look at the nobbers for eg. No big keeper there, similar height to ours but concede far less goals, so it's not all about a tall keeper.
 
more than happy to agree with the o/p. Grimshaw certainly deserves his place and Maxwell had had some really poor games. But he didn't deserve the abuse he was getting on here. And certainly if they had scored from that fumble the stick Grimshaw would have got would have been nowhere near as bad as what Maxwell was getting.

But hey, they didn't score and we went on to get the win so all is good. For now.
 
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JJpool said:
If he'd had made all the mistakes Maxwell has that led to goals, I'm sure Grimshaw would be getting questioned too.

It was a bad fumble, but ultimately didn't go anywhere, so will be forgotten.
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He has only played a couple of games recently and that was a bad one , but you are right it will be forgotten.
 
Adams Kebab said:
He’s out of contract in the summer and was up for leaving last one…. No hounding out.

“What if” you posted some sense for once 👍🏼
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What if the fans had supported Maxwell and he actually wanted to stay . Its fans that decide futures for some players and sadly ,some have trouble supporting . Anyway ,it was a question that a number of people felt that it was worth answering . The question is too hard for others.
 
JJpool said:
Yeah, people only really remember what leads to goals. Which is what is important really.
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If you don't play ,you don't let goals in . Grimmy has played 3 games , his distribution has been similar to Maxwells and although his error did not lead to a goal ,it was a big mistake and yet Maxwell has probably played 20 games and I can only think of a couple of major mistakes. They are both good goalies ,but 1 has an unhealthy fan following that has lead to the abuse of the other.
 
JJpool said:
Have said that that before, a big keeper who claims a lot.

The only issue is they aren't always as agile.

You look at the nobbers for eg. No big keeper there, similar height to ours but concede far less goals, so it's not all about a tall keeper.
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Both Knob End keepers are 6ft 2 … Probably as low as you’d want to go really. It’s not all about height though and it’s still possible to dominate from corners if you are strong and athletic enough.

The issue we have is that Grimshaw is weak at dealing with crosses / corners / set pieces and we generally lack height from a defensive perspective.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
If you don't play ,you don't let goals in . Grimmy has played 3 games , his distribution has been similar to Maxwells and although his error did not lead to a goal ,it was a big mistake and yet Maxwell has probably played 20 games and I can only think of a couple of major mistakes. They are both good goalies ,but 1 has an unhealthy fan following that has lead to the abuse of the other.
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A couple of mistakes? There was a lot and goals often going straight through him.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Both Knob End keepers are 6ft 2 … Probably as low as you’d want to go really. It’s not all about height though and it’s still possible to dominate from corners if you are strong and athletic enough.

The issue we have is that Grimshaw is weak at dealing with crosses / corners / set pieces and we generally lack height from a defensive perspective.
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1 inch taller than Grimshaw, but yes ideally taller is better for crosses.

He can be quite aggressive coming for crosses and balls into the box at times.

He at least seems to have a strategy that the defenders seem to understand and therefore doesn't seem to cause confusion or panic.
 
There inevitably comes a point where size (or lack of it) will impact on performances 6ft is only 1 inch smaller than 6ft 1 etc... As I see it, below 6ft 2 and you’re sliding downwards quite rapidly as a keeper, unless you have considerable talent.

From an analogy perspective, if you gradually increased the weight of a barbell by 1gram at a time, there would eventually one a point where that 1 gram extra prevented you from lifting it… So whilst it may only be 1 inch, it’s a critical one IMHO.

Aggressive or not, he’s totally shyte at dealing with crosses etc… That’s just the reality… Whether he can improve or whether he might be less exposed with a taller defensive unit, who knows.

For now, I think we should probably just be thankful that we are looking a bit more solid.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
There inevitably comes a point where size (or lack of it) will impact on performances 6ft is only 1 inch smaller than 6ft 1 etc... As I see it, below 6ft 2 and you’re sliding downwards quite rapidly as a keeper, unless you have considerable talent.

From an analogy perspective, if you gradually increased the weight of a barbell by 1gram at a time, there would eventually one a point where that 1 gram extra prevented you from lifting it… So whilst it may only be 1 inch, it’s a critical one IMHO.

Aggressive or not, he’s totally shyte at dealing with crosses etc… That’s just the reality… Whether he can improve or whether he might be less exposed with a taller defensive unit, who knows.

For now, I think we should probably just be thankful that we are looking a bit more solid.
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Just get Grimshaw some high heeled boots or something.
 
Bpooltown54 said:
Absolutely agree
Seen a lot of stat comparisons which are delusional when you take in to account a change in manager/ style of play and change of players
He’s had a lot of unfair amount of stick and if he does leave in the summer he’ll always be a pool legend for me
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Legend? I suppose Kingston was as well ? Legend goalkeepers in this club go backwards from Hart, Budgie backwards to Farm. I,ve never heard until now Slappsy mentioned
 
I'd like to think that if we had a bigger more dominant keeper we would leave at least one player up for corners. That tactic has cost us defensively this season let alone from an attacking perspective.
 
If we still have Grimshaw in league one I’ll be delighted. He’ll be just about the best keeper in that league. Can see Maxwell retiring as his ego won’t want to run with a league two club. That’s the best offer he will get. It’s no coincidence that now we have a calm, assured keeper, we’ve stopped conceding goals for fun and are actually picking up points.
 
No difference in quality between the two for me but Grimshaw will be here next season but Maxwell probably won’t do it made sense to switch.
 
I Think Grimmy needs a run of games to get fully upto speed. That Archer assault set him back, I don't want to slag Maxi off but Grimmy is a better keeper and has his best days in front of him.
 
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