Email from BST on supporter behaviour

seasideone said:
My opinion is simple…..

If you are daft enough to…
  • throw things on the pitch
  • bring in banned flares, pyrotechnics, smoke bombs etc
  • encroach on the pitch
  • abuse anyone in a racial, sectarian, sexist or any other way
…please don’t come, and if you do and misbehave, I hope you get banned for a good while.

We are facing possibly playing behind closed doors because of these people.

The really sad thing is this is now having an impact on us all - with less money being available, and maybe in the future being locked out of the ground.

When Bloomfield is rocking there is nothing quite like it for me anywhere in the world.

We intimidate the opposition and it’s brilliant.

Playing behind close doors impacts our chance of winning games.

So please, don’t be a dick head and ruin it for all of us 👍
Click to expand...
Your best post One.
 
Matesrates said:
It’s ok inviting representatives of supporters groups to a meeting, but most of those committing these ridiculous acts aren’t associated with those groups. It falls on all of us to stop them if we can, or report them.
Click to expand...
That's a fair point. I would like to see the Muckers make a statement about it. I think the youngsters have it in their heads that the Muckers are to be looked up to as the hooligans of bygone years. Of course we all grow up, eventually and a statement discouraging this behaviour might help.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
I’m sorry but blaming McClean is clutching at straws. He’s got his views and he’s entitled to them. He’s entitled to air them too as long as he doesn’t cross a line when doing so. Showing off his tattoo is maybe close to the line but it certainly doesn’t cross it and nor does it justify chants of FTP. I’m also not buying the offended our ex-service supporters argument. Any ex service I know tend to have the cognitive capacity to recognise and rise above any provocation- certainly from a footballler ffs. If you’re chanting FTP or even the IRA then it’s purely Sectarianism and there’s no place for it. It can’t be defended. It’s impacting the club to the tune of £50-60k and likely a lot more in the medium term - adults need to start acting like it. It’s embarrassing.
Click to expand...
I don't think the young people chanting this stuff would understand the word 'sectarian'. It's an opposition player, let's chant something to have a dig at him.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
If course Phil's argument washes

If McLean hadn't have been such a bell end this wouldn't have happened

It's all a massive over reaction anyway, its football songs get sung, things get said

We have a right load of wusses following us

And what's unbelievably hypocritical is that most of these wet lettuce fans actually moved from other parts of the ground to be 'around the atmosphere'
Click to expand...
Maybe Phil, maybe. But it did happen. The law doesn't bend to accommodate reprisal chanting simply because the cause of the chants has behaved like an arse. Our fans must behave or the Club pays the price.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Why is chanting about the IRA sectarianism?
Click to expand...
It is Phil and yes I despise the IRA with a passion having experienced their actions in the past including the infamous Manchester bombings( we were planning to go into town that day but changed our minds that morning) and even today given events not that long ago with the policeman coaching young kids in NI that they clearly intended to kill.
As for the FTP chant that is unnecessary too.I would imagine given the history of West Lancashire in particular there are many Catholic fans in our fan base.
As for the player concerned I personally can’t stand him and hope one day the football authorities have the guts to severely penalise him for his on pitch antics which are not one offs.
 
Being controversial I like that we are edgy but let’s get it right we have no ‘ off tap ‘
I don’t think we are sectarian / bigoted / racist but there’s a large proportion who can’t help but spout crap without even thinking what they are saying in the spur of the moment
We need to collectively grow up
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Being controversial I like that we are edgy but let’s get it right we have no ‘ off tap ‘
I don’t think we are sectarian / bigoted / racist but there’s a large proportion who can’t help but spout crap without even thinking what they are saying in the spur of the moment
We need to collectively grow up
Click to expand...
Exactly, at times just plain simple thickness. Walk around town any day of the week and you’ll see😂😂
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Because that’s ultimately what sectarianism is. The IRA are a paramilitary group which represent or are strongly associated with certain political, cultural and religious beliefs - chanting F the IRA is therefore sectarianism. Simple really. And I don’t believe you’re stupid enough not to understand.
Click to expand...

I would imagine there are plenty of good honest British folk who were/are not overly fond of an organisation that planted bombs in on the British mainland with little or no warning.

I would not argue with your assumption that the IRA are made up almost entirely of Catholics but I would imagine that the British people who dislike the IRA are made up of all sorts of religions including Catholics and most are probably atheists.

I think it's probably fair to suggest that it is the activities of the IRA that folk dislike more than the denomination of its members.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Ok then. I’m not going to split hairs with you as it’s quite literally what sectarianism is. It is a debated definition though and a lot of academics are debating it - But chanting F the IRA in the context it was, is and unfortunately for the club and decent fans will be again is plain and simple Sectarianism. And when it happens again the club will get fined again and people like you who seemingly blindly want to ignore the facts will be to blame 👍
Click to expand...

FTP is a sectarian chant, I don't know exactly why the club was fined but it's certainly fair enough to suggest that this sectarian chant was a contributing factor.

You and others may delight in being offended by F the IRA chant but it is NOT a sectarian chant.

The IRA was/is an illegal organisation who killed and maimed hundreds of decent innocent British people.

I know plenty of practising British Catholics who are of the opinion that the IRA are/were the scum of the earth.

Please don't get me wrong, you and others are perfectly entitled to be offended by swearing in a football ground and the club could possibly been punished for such a heinous crime but to state that the chant F the IRA is "plain and simple Sectarianism" is just utter horsechite.
 
bleach51 said:
It is Phil and yes I despise the IRA with a passion having experienced their actions in the past including the infamous Manchester bombings( we were planning to go into town that day but changed our minds that morning) and even today given events not that long ago with the policeman coaching young kids in NI that they clearly intended to kill.
As for the FTP chant that is unnecessary too.I would imagine given the history of West Lancashire in particular there are many Catholic fans in our fan base.
As for the player concerned I personally can’t stand him and hope one day the football authorities have the guts to severely penalise him for his on pitch antics which are not one offs.
Click to expand...

F the IRA is not a sectarian chant Bleach but I certainly agree with the sentiment of your post.

No doubt that we will have many Catholics in our fan base and they may have been offended by the FTP chant.

Many of them may also despise the IRA while stopping short of agreeing with the chant - the non sectarian chant - directed at them.

Religion is not a problem at Bloomfield Road, the chants were the direct result of the actions of James McLean and it's ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

If I'm wrong, will anybody just let me know of any other Irish Catholic who has been seriously ridiculed at Bloomfield Road in the last 100 years.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
That's a fair point. I would like to see the Muckers make a statement about it. I think the youngsters have it in their heads that the Muckers are to be looked up to as the hooligans of bygone years. Of course we all grow up, eventually and a statement discouraging this behaviour might help.
Click to expand...

I know that you are a good man 66 and that you mean well but a statement from the Muckers, do me a favour for feck sake.

There is far far more offensive chanting at other grounds around the country and I imagine that most of the clubs where there is more offensive chanting have not been punished in the slightest.

There is no big problem with religion among Blackpool supporters but I suppose if the likes of BST insist on continually suggesting otherwise then they are going to draw attention to the club/supporters.

Rather than a statement from Muckers, it might be a better idea to get the BST spokesman to shut his North and South.
 
seasideone said:
MSG where apparently there, but yes you are right - it’s self policing that can stop this.

If your mate is acting like a moron - stop him getting banned - they will thank you for it at some point.

Simples really 👍👍
Click to expand...
The Tangerine Knights were there as well and they were formed purely to cause disruption against the club owners and don’t actually represent any group of supporters. You shouldn’t just link potential problems with the MSG 😉
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Being controversial I like that we are edgy but let’s get it right we have no ‘ off tap ‘
I don’t think we are sectarian / bigoted / racist but there’s a large proportion who can’t help but spout crap without even thinking what they are saying in the spur of the moment
We need to collectively grow up
Click to expand...
Well said Tim.

I think this whole thread needs pulling.

Sectarianism is a “cancerous threat” to English football it has NO PLACE whatsoever.

Too many innocent people from either side of the trouble and many of our amazing Armed Forces trying to “restore peace” have died there.
There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to boast about such tragedies

As for the FA they are as “threatening” to our “beautiful game” as terrorists are to world peace.

The FA & EFL supported through “apathy”, our ex owners who were far from “fit & proper” and focused more on their Blazers & Ties & next Free Lunch.

Yes BST have called the FA out and should continue to do so, not cower to them when the “Bully Boys” threaten to close one of our stands to hide their own shortfalls.

We stood up to the Oystons we MUST stand up to an organisation probably as corrupt as FIFA.

I’ll step off my soap-box now.🤣

Here’s to a new season and all the hope it brings from a football perspective.

Ashley 🚌🧡
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
It’s time supporters reported those shouting obscenities and racist taunts and throwing missiles, it’s not about snitching it’s about doing the right thing and protecting the club from more serious punishment because it’ll happen if nothings done as these dick heads obviously don’t care about the welfare of the club.
Click to expand...
Another knob!
 
Toastrack said:
We've already seen the playing budget cut by £35k.

30 incidents were reported last season.
The North holds 2,748.

We cannot let the situation worsen. We're at an increasing risk of a stand closure, where the actions of 1% would result in the other 99% being locked out.
As a ST holder in block C, I'd be f***ing furious if that were to happen. As, I'm sure, many others would be.

And I totally reject any BS notion that we need pyros & missiles to create a raucous, intimidating atmosphere.
99% of us can do that on our own, without breaking the ground regs, thank you.

These incidents need to stop. Now.
Click to expand...
they did not say the playing budget will be cut by 35k in the meeting, they said it wasn’t accounted for!
 
Keglersuper said:
they did not say the playing budget will be cut by 35k in the meeting, they said it wasn’t accounted for!
Click to expand...

Incorrect.

"The FA charge resulted in a £35,000 fine and an FA Action Plan being imposed upon the Club. Additionally, added costs including legal fees, intangible time of staff working on the case and increased policing costs, all have a significant further impact on the Club, which ultimately decreases the funds available for the playing budget."
(Words boldened by the club, not me)

www.blackpoolfc.co.uk

Club Meets With Supporters Groups To Discuss Crowd Behaviour

Blackpool FC Homepage
www.blackpoolfc.co.uk www.blackpoolfc.co.uk

Sadler said previously that this would happen, that he wouldn't personally fund any fines imposed on the club due to fan misbehaviour and the playing budget would be cut correspondingly.
And I don't blame him one bit.
 
Keglersuper said:
What a knob!
Click to expand...
Really. So what do you do let the idiots carry on especially when the club will get more fines,possible points deductions,closure of stands or even forced to play behind closed doors. If you agree with fans lobbing things and secatarian abuse then I’m afraid it’s you that’s the knob
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
FTP is a sectarian chant, I don't know exactly why the club was fined but it's certainly fair enough to suggest that this sectarian chant was a contributing factor.

You and others may delight in being offended by F the IRA chant but it is NOT a sectarian chant.

The IRA was/is an illegal organisation who killed and maimed hundreds of decent innocent British people.

I know plenty of practising British Catholics who are of the opinion that the IRA are/were the scum of the earth.

Please don't get me wrong, you and others are perfectly entitled to be offended by swearing in a football ground and the club could possibly been punished for such a heinous crime but to state that the chant F the IRA is "plain and simple Sectarianism" is just utter horsechite.
Click to expand...
I’m giving you facts. F the IRA in the context it is used is Sectarian. It’s not about being offended - I’m perfectly capable of hearing things I don’t agree with and not being upset by it (and thats not say I’ve even got a position on this particular issue) it’s about recognising what’s being said and going on isn’t acceptable and is going to get the club in trouble. By pointing that out I’m hoping the sensible grown up people that we are will help those that don’t seem to comprehend it to understand the impact of their actions.
 
When someone has an 'imaginary, invisible friend' they are looked upon as being 'a bit strange, but harmless'!!
But,
When millions and millions of people have one, it's called 'religion'...

It guarantees to stir up a hornets nest of emotion from one end of the scale to another, and is/always be held up as a catalyst for hatred and wars..

Day one of a long old season, so let's park the 'sectarian / non-sectarian' stuff and galvanise our efforts to something that really matters.... COYP.....!!
 
LA1 Seasider said:
I’m giving you facts. F the IRA in the context it is used is Sectarian. It’s not about being offended - I’m perfectly capable of hearing things I don’t agree with and not being upset by it (and thats not say I’ve even got a position on this particular issue) it’s about recognising what’s being said and going on isn’t acceptable and is going to get the club in trouble. By pointing that out I’m hoping the sensible grown up people that we are will help those that don’t seem to comprehend it to understand the impact of their actions.
Click to expand...

IN ISOLATION F the IRA is NOT a Sectarian chant.

Saying that, there is no doubt that you have made many good and fair points that are far more relevant to the situation and I will shut up now.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
IN ISOLATION F the IRA is NOT a Sectarian chant.

Saying that, there is no doubt that you have made many good and fair points that are far more relevant to the situation and I will shut up now.
Click to expand...
In isolation neither is F the Pope necessarily - it’s all about context.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top