Embleton

Not sure it will make much difference really, I think generally he's been poor to average. Stewart is twice the player as is Anderson.
He can make a three yard pass but anything telling.. I've not seen. His shooting in every game has been shocking!

As Sunderland fans say - he doesn't have a telling impact on games.
 
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Scaramanga said:
To stay through the play offs
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He can't be unilaterally recalled by Sunderland and they know he can't play against them anyway. If we secure 3rd place tomorrow I am hoping that Lincoln manage to beat Sunderland so that he could potentially play in all the play off games, if required.
 
kuriousoranj said:
Not sure it will make much difference really, I think generally he's been poor to average. Stewart is twice the player as is Anderson.
He can make a three yard pass but anything telling.. I've not seen. His shooting in every game has been shocking!

As Sunderland fans said - he doesn't have a telling impact on games.
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Stewart is a completely different player.

Embleton isn't top drawer but what he does is take a risk. Your evaluation of his passing is unfair and based on the fact he sometimes gives the ball away. In doing so, he is usually trying something to prompt an attack.

That's what made us 'click' around about the time he became a starter. His movement is also good and because of that, players like Sullay and the forwards benefit.

Stewart sweeps up in front of the defence which is totally different.
 
Embleton’s not had the best few games but he’s a lot better than that,his performance against Doncaster was poor imo.
 
Hit and miss so far but has real talent and would happily sign him if the chance arose
 
I most probably am behind on some news, but how about our other loanies? I remember being at Cardiff. For the play offs and Danny Shittu had to sit it out as his loan had expired.
 
Will be great having THREE attacking midfield options. Either to rotate, change or play all at once in Embleton, Kaikai and Anderson.

Ridiculous that Sunderland were claiming they were going to call him back anyway, reckon it was to mess with his head?
 
kuriousoranj said:
Not sure it will make much difference really, I think generally he's been poor to average. Stewart is twice the player as is Anderson.
He can make a three yard pass but anything telling.. I've not seen. His shooting in every game has been shocking!

As Sunderland fans said - he doesn't have a telling impact on games.
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Watch the Northampton game again , it was his incisive pass to Jerry Yates who then set up Garbutt for the first goal. That';s off the top of my head , I'm sure there are other examples.
 
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I'd say that's great news - have long since said we'll play Pompey in the semis and (if we get through) Lincoln in the final! 🙄
 
TangerinePeel said:
Will be great having THREE attacking midfield options. Either to rotate, change or play all at once in Embleton, Kaikai and Anderson.

Ridiculous that Sunderland were claiming they were going to call him back anyway, reckon it was to mess with his head?
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Anderson coming back is a huge bonus. If we get Sunderland he can slot straight in. Or Kaikai again. He likes scoring worldies against them. 😬
 
FessParker said:
Watch the Northampton game again , it was his incisive pass to Jerry Yates who then set up Garbutt for the first goal. That';s off the top of my head , I'm sure there are other examples.
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Fourteen appearances and all you can come up with is one good pass. I liked the step over and cross against Doncaster but generally he was very poor. Look at all the games he's played and look at his attempts on goal. Actually don't bother.. he's had 10 shots and either missed the target by a mile or passed back to the opponents keeper.
 
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kuriousoranj said:
Fourteen appearances and all you can come up with is one good pass. I liked the step over and cross against Doncaster but generally he was very poor. Look at all the games he's played and look at his attempts on goal. Actually don't bother.. he's had 10 shots and either missed the target by a mile or passed back to the opponents keeper.
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He played at least 5 or 6 nice passes against Donny.

He's played some unbelievably clever little passes this year. One little reverse pass I can't remember who it was against was out of this world and had the player (Demi I think) he intended it for read it, we'd have been drooling about it for months as it wrong footed about 4 defenders and appeared almost physically impossible. He played one like that for Simms against Donny as well.

I'm not that fussed about him, I like Keshi, I bloody love Sullay but I don't like seeing a player run down unfairly.

He's not shite. He's not especially fast, his shooting could be better, he's shite on the right wing, but he's a canny young lad who is inventive and has an attacking attitude and some quite unusual skills and is two footed and puts himself about when given a bit of freedom.

Were we not to go up and we offered him terms, I'd be perfectly happy to get behind him. He's hardly Anthony Evans or someone like that. I think he's done a fair job. He's also got the most assists of any midfielder other than Sullay (level with CJ) which tells a story in itself about why we needed a player like him who wasn't just a ball retaining metronome.
 
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Fourteen appearances and all you can come up with is one good pass. I liked the step over and cross against Doncaster but generally he was very poor. Look at all the games he's played and look at his attempts on goal. Actually don't bother.. he's had 10 shots and either missed the target by a mile or passed back to the opponents keeper.
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You said you couldn't remember a telling pass , I gave you one from 2 games ago . I'm not saying he's a world beater but please be fair
when criticising .
 
A very useful and important member of the squad whatever some of you think! The ex pros commentating on ifollow have been very impressed with him too I seem to remember.
Critch obviously thinks so too!
 
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You said you couldn't remember a telling pass , I gave you one from 2 games ago . I'm not saying he's a world beater but please be fair
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No, I'm saying a good pass here and there doesn't make a good player. You need consistency. I say for every good pass three or four go astray.
I'm not sure what he offers, Goals no, vision no, the ability to open up defences no, dead ball specialist definitely not! breaking up play no!

I've watched every game he's played. His performance at Rochdale and against Doncaster were very poor IMHO.
 
kuriousoranj said:
No, I'm saying a good pass here and there doesn't make a good player. You need consistency. I say for every good pass three or four go astray.
I'm not sure what he offers, Goals no, vision no, the ability to open up defences no, dead ball specialist definitely not! breaking up play no!

I've watched every game he's played. His performance at Rochdale and against Doncaster were very poor IMHO.
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One of the main reasons why players are at the third/second tier of football is that they have ability but are inconsistent. You liked
Macseasiders post of 12 26 which sums him up well but which doesn't really tie in with your above over criticism of him.
 
Doesn’t offer much playing on the right of a midfield four, but dangerous playing off the striker or in an advanced centre midfield position (well sometimes he is anyway).
 
Thought he was played out of position on the right wing at Rochdale so was poor. Was weak against Doncaster and his shooting is abysmal. Still think he can do a job for us if he’s played in the right position though. He needs to practice shooting.
 
Never thought this was going to be an issue as the rules appeared clear.

Plus he's definitely an option, whether that be a starter or a plan B, he's clearly shown that.
 
I just don’t think he’s ever going to learn to shoot accurately, or stop trying it himself. Seems to just be a terrible shot. Apart from that he’s excellent but it’s a bloody big thing to miss when we’re crying out for more goals from midfield.
 
He is generally decent but there are a few things I agree with across this thread: He is inconsistent and we have better, but he will get better.

We won both games against Sunderland when he wasn't playing and lost both games when he came back in. He is a tryer, he runs and gets his foot in but gives the ball away so much. We have been lucky on a few occasions that we haven't conceded when he's given it away in a defensive midfield position. And he has lost the ball far too many times when we have been going forward when we have had lots of good moves and forward momentum.

For me the best player we have at the club in this role is Matty Virtue who is sadly injured. Stewart is a slightly different player, his style on the ball reminds me so much of Charlie Adam, he has that time, confidence and strength as well as the ability to find a pass, (although not of the quality of Charlie's long range beauties), in a word, class. He is not back to his best yet. Sullay also plays a certain role, he is not very good defensively but can be devastating on his day.
 
It is good that we have options for the playoffs , particularly if KK, Ward and Gretarrsen are fit. The bench is looking stronger than even 2 or 3 weeks ago. Embleton offers another option to help open up the opposition
 
Embleton and Virtue are very different kinds of player, to me. Embleton is competing with Anderson and Kaikai for an advanced rle behind the strikers. Whoever can provide the best service to the front two gets the job.
 
Fylde Seasider said:
He is generally decent but there are a few things I agree with across this thread: He is inconsistent and we have better, but he will get better.

We won both games against Sunderland when he wasn't playing and lost both games when he came back in. He is a tryer, he runs and gets his foot in but gives the ball away so much. We have been lucky on a few occasions that we haven't conceded when he's given it away in a defensive midfield position. And he has lost the ball far too many times when we have been going forward when we have had lots of good moves and forward momentum.

For me the best player we have at the club in this role is Matty Virtue who is sadly injured. Stewart is a slightly different player, his style on the ball reminds me so much of Charlie Adam, he has that time, confidence and strength as well as the ability to find a pass, (although not of the quality of Charlie's long range beauties), in a word, class. He is not back to his best yet. Sullay also plays a certain role, he is not very good defensively but can be devastating on his day.
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Can't be watching the same Matty Virtue as me I'm afraid.
 
I share the concern that others have expressed about Embleton and that is his inconsistency. On his day he looks a real talent but other performances have not been great. It is a concern which player will turn up. I can see what some of the Sunderland supporters say.
 
We have better in our own players.
He is weak in the tackle, gives the ball away too often and can't shoot to save his life.
 
Embleton's future is probably going to be dependent on the outcome of the playoffs.
If Sunderland are promoted he will go back as his contract there was extended prior to him coming to us.
Obviously if we make it he will be keen to stay here.
It's academic at the moment but I think NC would be keen to keep him if we got promoted.
He's represented England at all youth levels which is probably where Critch became aware of him and had a highly successful season on loan at Grimsby a couple of seasons ago.
At 22 he's still got a lot of potential for further development in my view.
The article below is from a couple of years back after his loan spell.

www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk

The Sunderland view on Elliot Embleton's future

Chronicle Live writer Sean McCormick gives us the lowdown on what's in store for the England Under-20 midfielder on his return to the Stadium of Light
www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk
 
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He's genuinely two footed, he can see a pass not an easy pass to someone unmarked 5 yards away but a high risk pass that can put someone through on goal or unbalance a defence. He's not quick enough to be played out wide but he's still developing and learning and offers something different.
 
He's another body and another body who I think can change games. I can't remember a time this season where our subs bench can really change games but there is no doubt we'll have those options going in to the semi final.
 
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