Energy costs

kerrytangerine said:
I am not saying that there will not be a problem here, just that it does not seem to be an issue in the way that it is in the UK. There may be reasons for this.
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Or it could be the reporting is different.

The main point is that in terms of security of gas supply, the UK is in reality better off than much of Europe, with large scale LPG processing facilities (that's allowing us to help the EU stock up on gas at the moment), the Norway pipeline and our own production we're fairly well isolated from the rest of the EU, and I've yet to see convincing evidence that we're any worse off than the rest of the EU, so your idea that it's all a government's fault is the usual nonsense.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Or it could be the reporting is different.

The main point is that in terms of security of gas supply, the UK is in reality better off than much of Europe, with large scale LPG processing facilities (that's allowing us to help the EU stock up on gas at the moment), the Norway pipeline and our own production we're fairly well isolated from the rest of the EU, and I've yet to see convincing evidence that we're any worse off than the rest of the EU, so your idea that it's all a government's fault is the usual nonsense.
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Oh FFS where did I say it was all the givernments fault? Why must you reduce everything to an argument? Please explain to me, as
I have attempted to explain to you the situation over here, why the energy crisis has reached such proportions in the UK when that is clearly not happening here?
 
kerrytangerine said:
Oh FFS where did I say it was all the givernments fault?
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Here:

kerrytangerine said:
It was the Tory government that decided to do away with gas storage facilities, to sell our assets (energy, water, rail etc.) to overseas owners who have no loyalty to the UK, just their own bonuses and their shareholders. Add a not for purpose regulator, and that is what you get. Yes, there is an international dimension to all this, but please stop making excuses for the Tories
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kerrytangerine said:
Christ do you never give up? Some not all. And just to make you happy, the energy crisis is today's headline news in most of the pspers today. Now trot off and nitpick somewhere else.
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You tried to make this about politics, sorry if it didn't turn out the way you liked.

Actually, if Ireland's electricity prices are genuinely lower than the UK, I'd be really interested to know why, since you're mostly reliant on the UK for gas, and have much the same energy mix as the UK.

If it helps, as far as I can see the wholesale spot market prices seem to be more or less the same, so is the Irish government suppressing the household cost somehow, or are they simply behind the curve in recognizing the problem?
 
Trammo said:
I suppose millions will be doing a big clothes wash on Sept 30th the day before the price of leccy rockets.
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Here's a tip, have a look at your machine's settings and see if there's an eco programme or similar, rather than a 2 hour wash at 40 degrees, can you get away with a 30-minute cold water wash?
 
How many times does it have to be said.

Trust Miz-Trust.

She has answers for all of our problems. Cut taxes and send Asylum Seekers to Rwanda.

Job Done.
 
Lost Seasider said:
You tried to make this about politics, sorry if it didn't turn out the way you liked.

Actually, if Ireland's electricity prices are genuinely lower than the UK, I'd be really interested to know why, since you're mostly reliant on the UK for gas, and have much the same energy mix as the UK.

If it helps, as far as I can see the wholesale spot market prices seem to be more or less the same, so is the Irish government suppressing the household cost somehow, or are they simply behind the curve in recognizing the problem?
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re gas, mains gas is only available in Dublin for the majority it is bottled gas. Gas central heating likewise is not popular due to limited distribution and servicing. Also, many folk, me included, have solid fuel stoves and ranges, so I don't agree that we have a similar energy mix to the UK. Electricity is going to increase by 30% according to today's papers. Currently we pay 27.56c day and 13.6c night tariff. Our July bill covering 63 days was € 67.81. However, as pensioners we get a €1.05 free daily allowance so we only pay the standing charge which is €68.79 for the period .
 
kerrytangerine said:
re gas, mains gas is only available in Dublin for the majority it is bottled gas. Gas central heating likewise is not popular due to limited distribution and servicing. Also, many folk, me included, have solid fuel stoves and ranges, so I don't agree that we have a similar energy mix to the UK. Electricity is going to increase by 30% according to today's papers. Currently we pay 27.56c day and 13.6c night tariff. Our July bill covering 63 days was € 67.81. However, as pensioners we get a €1.05 free daily allowance so we only pay the standing charge which is €68.79 for the period .
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By mix, I was talking about the production of electricity, except that you don't have nuclear, and as far as I can see your wholesale cost of electricity should be about the same as ours, so if you really are paying substantially less than us I'm genuinely interested why.

On the gas side, if GCH isn't popular, does that mean many have to rely upon electricity instead?
 
Lost Seasider said:
By mix, I was talking about the production of electricity, except that you don't have nuclear, and as far as I can see your wholesale cost of electricity should be about the same as ours, so if you really are paying substantially less than us I'm genuinely interested why.

On the gas side, if GCH isn't popular, does that mean many have to rely upon electricity instead?
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Oil(diesel) or kerosene mostly, now that has gone up. Luckily I bought 1000 litres before the price rise. Lots of folk are going for heatpumps currently.
 
hertfordseasider said:
I'll be going back to living how I did when I bought my first house in Blackpool in 1981. No heating apart from a gas fire in the living room and an electric blanket and lots of clothing. Demand will drop massively as people will be smart about it where they can, but it will really hit the vulnerable, particularly the elderly and it won't be long before we see the massive increase in deaths through cold and people going into poverty.

Just seen on the BBC News that a big new Russian Gas refinery is burning off £10 million of gas every day which would normally go to Europe.
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Sanctions against Russia and trying to go carbon neutral are the reason. I blame the government. I voted for them as well but they are hopeless.
 
kerrytangerine said:
Oil(diesel) or kerosene mostly, now that has gone up. Luckily I bought 1000 litres before the price rise. Lots of folk are going for heatpumps currently.
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I'm on oil and recently it has dropped to 86p a litre from 125 at its highest. Heatpumps work in new houses which are air tight and heavily insulated but I wouldn't touch one in an older property.
 
Shandypants said:
I'm on oil and recently it has dropped to 86p a litre from 125 at its highest. Heatpumps work in new houses which are air tight and heavily insulated but I wouldn't touch one in an older property.
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Had a friend who put one in (ground source rather than air). Turns his damp 200 yer old cottage into a dry warm living space. Put it in as under floor heating. Heat pumps are no panacea, you still need to insulate properly, but if we were planning staying here more than 3 years, I would have one in an instant.
 
Shandypants said:
I'm on oil and recently it has dropped to 86p a litre from 125 at its highest. Heatpumps work in new houses which are air tight and heavily insulated but I wouldn't touch one in an older property.
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Our oil boiler is going to need replacing in a year or two so a decision will have to be made. Our plumber recommends a new kerosene boiler. Gas is not an option in rural Kerry, and as we are in our mid-70s, we are reluctant to make the costly swiitch to heat pump. We already have solar heating for hot water, have a woodburner in our living room, so we are OK really.
 
Lost Seasider said:
They use quite a lot of electricity apparently, that could end up being quite pricey.
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It’s about 1kWh input for 4 out… though in the U.K. we’ve got the RHI which pays for the install over a few years.

Not sure how they’d match up against Wood, Coal & Oil right now though. I’d have thought it would be close.

I’m on oil & wood in Wales and my costs have probably doubled for oil… wood is free.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Had a friend who put one in (ground source rather than air). Turns his damp 200 yer old cottage into a dry warm living space. Put it in as under floor heating. Heat pumps are no panacea, you still need to insulate properly, but if we were planning staying here more than 3 years, I would have one in an instant.
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Ground source are better than heat source. My mate has just done a barn conversion and insulated it to death he loves his heat source. I'm going to stick with oil, I'm just replacing my boiler.
 
kerrytangerine said:
Our oil boiler is going to need replacing in a year or two so a decision will have to be made. Our plumber recommends a new kerosene boiler. Gas is not an option in rural Kerry, and as we are in our mid-70s, we are reluctant to make the costly swiitch to heat pump. We already have solar heating for hot water, have a woodburner in our living room, so we are OK really.
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Yes I'm in the current situation of replacing the boiler, there isn't any gas where I live but I'm sticking with oil.
 
Just received this email from my supplier in Spain... remember my 9p per Kwh plan,

currently Im looking for a LONG extension lead to run to the UK..

Hello Limechase​
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For your peace of mind, in the face of the news regarding the increase in electricity prices, we want to remind you that these increases do not affect the Plan you have contracted with Iberdrola Clientes, as is the case with most of the electricity supplied by Iberdrola Clientes.
 
Had an email this morning from my supplier telling me they advise me to increase my D/D to £373 (from £232) or this time next year I’ll be £1,236 in debt.
I’am currently £570 in credit probably well over £650 by the end of September as on average I’am spending between 4-5 days every week at my caravan in the Lake District hence my low usage and big credit build up.
I’ve explained this to them but it’s like talking to a brick wall so I’ve politely told them to do one but they stress if I don’t increase the D/D they will by the end of next month. 🙄🤬
For info.
This is a 2 bed Bungalow with just 2 people living in it, so fu*k knows what some people in a 4/5 bed house with a family will be paying. 🥴
 
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Had an email this morning from my supplier telling me they advise me to increase my D/D to £373 (from £232) or this time next year I’ll be £1,236 in debt.
I’am currently £570 in credit probably well over £650 by the end of September as on average I’am spending between 4-5 days every week at my caravan in the Lake District hence my low usage and big credit build up.
I’ve explained this to them but it’s like talking to a brick wall so I’ve politely told them to do one but they stress if I don’t increase the D/D they will by the end of next month. 🙄🤬
For info.
This is a 2 bed Bungalow with just 2 people living in it, so fu*k knows what some people in a 4/5 bed house with a family will be paying. 🥴
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I suppose the country voted to strangle its own economy so people can't start complaining now that costs are rising and the standard of living is deteriorating. The main thing is, we're in control of our own destiny now.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
I suppose the country voted to strangle its own economy so people can't start complaining now that costs are rising and the standard of living is deteriorating. The main thing is, we're in control of our own destiny now.
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Nothing to do with the war in Ukraine then and isolating Russian gas?
Or have you not noticed that yet? 🙄
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I see you fail to mention why the fact the French have only risen by 4%.
Just wait till next year no one gets off lightly in all this it’s a global issue it’s not just about 3 countries.
Just how has Germany let itself become so reliant on Russian gas?
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Well at least we have control over our own borders now... oops....

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We are sat on a large seam of coal, we could dig Thatcher up and burn her, to save on emissions we could get a large German car manufacturer to put catylitic converters on all our chimneys !
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Had an email this morning from my supplier telling me they advise me to increase my D/D to £373 (from £232) or this time next year I’ll be £1,236 in debt.
I’am currently £570 in credit probably well over £650 by the end of September as on average I’am spending between 4-5 days every week at my caravan in the Lake District hence my low usage and big credit build up.
I’ve explained this to them but it’s like talking to a brick wall so I’ve politely told them to do one but they stress if I don’t increase the D/D they will by the end of next month. 🙄🤬
For info.
This is a 2 bed Bungalow with just 2 people living in it, so fu*k knows what some people in a 4/5 bed house with a family will be paying. 🥴
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I posted a few weeks ago about what I did. I was massively in credit....£800, I phoned and asked for the money telling them I'm not a bank lending them money, because that is exactly what you're doing. After some interchange, money refunded and DD down by £130 ish.

DON'T LEND YOUR ENERGY SUPPLIER MONEY. DON'T. STOP IT.
 
kerrytangerine said:
Our oil boiler is going to need replacing in a year or two so a decision will have to be made. Our plumber recommends a new kerosene boiler. Gas is not an option in rural Kerry, and as we are in our mid-70s, we are reluctant to make the costly swiitch to heat pump. We already have solar heating for hot water, have a woodburner in our living room, so we are OK really.
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Rural Kerry...Sneems like a nice place.
 
From Martin Lewis:
"UPDATE: I'm hearing fixed tariffs will have the same per pound unit rate reduction as variable tariffs (ie, roughly 30% off). So it looks like, unless you fixed at over the new October price cap level, your fix will be cheaper than moving to variable. More to check on this".
 
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