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Seasideforever

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Surely a lot of fans will not be able to afford to go to the football ?? The price cap is only for households using a fairly small amount of energy and many will pay a hell of a lot more !!!
 
I keep saying this with regards to the high ticket prices. Its going to get unbelievably tough soon. The government will probably pay the energy bills if on benefits, and the workers will have to find 5000 quid a year. Thats not workable.

I think this could be another poll tax situation, people will just have enough.
 
Single handouts won't work, it's just delaying things. The government have to step in to control prices. In a free market, businesses make profits in good times to help them through when trading conditions aren't favourable. The energy companies don't need to do this because of the faulty price cap mechanism, they can all trade as a cartel.
Most households do not have £300+ surplus cash every month that they can use for increased energy bills, and do not have savings they can use. Within three months, many households will effectively be insolvent.
 
Government need to fecking do something urgently.

Imagine businesses... they can only do one thing and put costs up as well... that's if they survive.

Very worrying times a head... but agree the 'luxury' of watching football will be hit.
 
Jaffacakes said:
I keep saying this with regards to the high ticket prices. Its going to get unbelievably tough soon. The government will probably pay the energy bills if on benefits, and the workers will have to find 5000 quid a year. Thats not workable.

I think this could be another poll tax situation, people will just have enough.
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£289 for a season ticket is looking good value now compared to £3,500 for your gas and electric. It'll work out cheaper sitting in Bloomfield Road than staying at home with the fire on.
 
I'll be going back to living how I did when I bought my first house in Blackpool in 1981. No heating apart from a gas fire in the living room and an electric blanket and lots of clothing. Demand will drop massively as people will be smart about it where they can, but it will really hit the vulnerable, particularly the elderly and it won't be long before we see the massive increase in deaths through cold and people going into poverty.

Just seen on the BBC News that a big new Russian Gas refinery is burning off £10 million of gas every day which would normally go to Europe.
 
As things are (and are going), I can't see how energy won't get nationalised. I'm weighing up whether I need to not be in credit when it happens.
 
rockontommy said:
As things are (and are going), I can't see how energy won't get nationalised. I'm weighing up whether I need to not be in credit when it happens.
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Yep, France nationaled EDF in July , it cost a lot but its the only way forward. Income Tax will pay for the acquisition and then back to affordalbe energy costs for all.
 
Pollenca said:
Yep, France nationaled EDF in July , it cost a lot but its the only way forward. Income Tax will pay for the acquisition and then back to affordalbe energy costs for all.
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Pretty sure it's going to be Liz Truss' grand opening gesture - which she needs as there's a mountain to climb for her party. My gut feeling is saying cancel my Direct Debit now.
 
Pollenca said:
Yep, France nationaled EDF in July , it cost a lot but its the only way forward. Income Tax will pay for the acquisition and then back to affordalbe energy costs for all.
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Easier for France to do as they only had one major supplier, and it was part govt owned anyway. You can't natrionalise shell, EDF UK, etc. I guess you could renationalise british gas and sse etc.
 
rockontommy said:
Pretty sure it's going to be Liz Truss' grand opening gesture - which she needs as there's a mountain to climb for her party. My gut feeling is saying cancel my Direct Debit now.
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Not a cat in hells chance…

They might try and cap the price of U.K. produced gas, but no chance of nationalisation.
 
Jaffacakes said:
I keep saying this with regards to the high ticket prices. Its going to get unbelievably tough soon. The government will probably pay the energy bills if on benefits, and the workers will have to find 5000 quid a year. Thats not workable.

I think this could be another poll tax situation, people will just have enough.
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Government won't pay energy bills to those on benefits. Maybe a contribution, but itvwill ve a pittance.
 
rockontommy said:
Just a hunch. Would appreciate your rationale because, as I've said, I do want to cancel my DD...
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I really don’t think you want my rationale… and even I couldn’t be arsed typing it if you did.

In short it’s the wrong solution and won’t solve the immediate problem anyway.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Not a cat in hells chance…

They might try and cap the price of U.K. produced gas, but no chance of nationalisation.
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This is a right wing Tory Government, elected on a populist, hard right ticket of blaming immigrants, Europe and supporting big business.

Nationalisation? No chance whatsoever.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I really don’t think you want my rationale… and even I couldn’t be arsed typing it if you did.

In short it’s the wrong solution and won’t solve the immediate problem anyway.
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I did but if you can't be arsed, fair enough. Was a genuine query as you seem certain - didn't know whether you worked in the sector or not.
 
Wizaard said:
This is a right wing Tory Government, elected on a populist, hard right ticket of blaming immigrants, Europe and supporting big business.

Nationalisation? No chance whatsoever.
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They got stuck in when Covid hit. Was it the trains? So not beyond the realms of possibility.
 
I can see people taking to the streets in the coming months, the unions adding their weight to the upheaval that awaits us, are we goig to slip back to the 1930's with mass unemployment, spiralling inflation costs and the rise of the far right groups who no doubt will blame this all on foreigners and the thousands of boat people entering the country.
It may well kick off with the cost of living crisis but it could soon change to a very ugly scene.
 
This may sound simple, but, if UK produced gas was sold to our energy generators at cost, then prices should not rise? OK we need to buy in gas from elseware, but surely that would reduce cost?


Some people/companies are making vast profits, & production costs are probably constant, so profiteering?
 
Meanwhile Energy companies profits soar...

Sorry state of affairs.

That what you get when you ask for the tories, I guess...
 
I live on my own now with a mortgage etc so might have to knock my season ticket on the head if it gets ridiculous. Don’t mind paying the ticket it’s the diesel money from Wakefield and back.
 
Wizaard said:
This is a right wing Tory Government, elected on a populist, hard right ticket of blaming immigrants, Europe and supporting big business.

Nationalisation? No chance whatsoever.
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This is nothing to do with the current Government, it’s a situation they inherited. If you want to apportion blame, blame the Thatcher administration of the 80s, the sold all the utilities off, mainly at a loss, or blame 13 years of Labour who also did nothing about it. It’s a failure of successive Governments in this country, none of whom give a monkeys about the ordinary working people.
 
Just run my estimate through Martin Lewis's site....gone up £100pm last month anyway and now looks like it'll go up a further £200 in October! jeez!!!!
 
hertfordseasider said:
I'll be going back to living how I did when I bought my first house in Blackpool in 1981. No heating apart from a gas fire in the living room and an electric blanket and lots of clothing. Demand will drop massively as people will be smart about it where they can, but it will really hit the vulnerable, particularly the elderly and it won't be long before we see the massive increase in deaths through cold and people going into poverty.

Just seen on the BBC News that a big new Russian Gas refinery is burning off £10 million of gas every day which would normally go to Europe.
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As its so close to the Finnish Border, I think it's a deliberate two fingers to the west
 
Goforgoal said:
This is nothing to do with the current Government, it’s a situation they inherited. If you want to apportion blame, blame the Thatcher administration of the 80s, the sold all the utilities off, mainly at a loss, or blame 13 years of Labour who also did nothing about it. It’s a failure of successive Governments in this country, none of whom give a monkeys about the ordinary working people.
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Nothing is ever to do with this Government. 12 years of power and apparently they have been able to do nothing. Go figure.
 
Wizaard said:
Nothing is ever to do with this Government. 12 years of power and apparently they have been able to do nothing. Go figure.
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13 years of Labour and they did just a little, apart from leaving a legacy of 100s of millions of PFI debt and a note saying “ sorry there’s no money left” courtesy of one Liam Byrne. As I said Government of either shade gives a monkeys.
 
Goforgoal said:
13 years of Labour and they did just a little, apart from leaving a legacy of 100s of millions of PFI debt and a note saying “ sorry there’s no money left” courtesy of one Liam Byrne. As I said Government of either shade gives a monkeys.
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The debt was caused by a world wide banking collapse, but of course that's Labour's fault.

We import none of our gas from Russia but the cost has nothing to do with this Government and its all the fault of the Ukraine war.
 
Wizaard said:
The debt was caused by a world wide banking collapse, but of course that's Labour's fault.

We import none of our gas from Russia but the cost has nothing to do with this Government and its all the fault of the Ukraine war.
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This has been caused by a worldwide energy crisis, but of course that’s the Torys fault. Up until June we imported 5% of our gas from Russia, not none. The cost is out of any governmental control, it’s the world energy market which is out of control. If you have a solution I’m sure many governments around the world would be only to happy for you to inform them what it is.
 
Goforgoal said:
This has been caused by a worldwide energy crisis, but of course that’s the Torys fault. Up until June we imported 5% of our gas from Russia, not none. The cost is out of any governmental control, it’s the world energy market which is out of control. If you have a solution I’m sure many governments around the world would be only to happy for you to inform them what it is.
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So why are the French freezing prices despite importing far more Russian gas than us?

Why are the Norwegians covering 90% of energy bills for their citizens?

There is simply no will by this lot because energy companies are big donors for them, hence the talk of scrapping environmental levies.
 
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