Gods honest truth
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Two points deducted for breaching financial rules ,now two points above relegation zone
Everton new points deduction
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One punishment, regardless of the severity or extent of the cheating?
Matesrates
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Perhaps the rules are too complicated which gives the opportunity to try to circumvent them, a bit like tax avoidance.
fcblackpool
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What is interesting is that it's ongoing. That is they look at one aspect of charges and find them guilty. Look at the next set and guilty again and deduct points. I'd think they would do the same to City and haven't found anything punishable as yet and given City were in trouble way before Everton they must be a fair way into the City list.
basilrobbie3
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The two cases aren't analogous, so trying to compare one with the other is pointless. If City are found guilty, it will trump anything we have seen so far.
Going back to Everton, they have been lucky this time. But more trouble is potentially just round the corner when one of their major debts becomes payable next week.
fcblackpool
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I suspect City have a very good legal team that's keeping the authorities at bay.
td53
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That's going to be the real test isn't it?
You've also got a mutual dependency and it is all very well taking a few points off no marks live Everton or Forest (global perspective) but City are worth serious money to the Premier League and now a long established part of that brand so there's an element of 'punishing themselves' if they cast out City and force Pep away along with the billions of pounds that comes with City.
JOHNMAJORTOM
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IT certainly wont help the Hillbillies of old Burnley town. Hatters to stay up for me. they were brilliant on Sat against Bournemouth. Brentford Burnley Sheffield Utd to take the drop.
basilrobbie3
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I know that is certainly part of it.
But pushing the date of resolution of the case past the date that the new regulator comes into force seems like a high risk strategy to me.
fcblackpool
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I'd imagine they know what they're doing. This isn't a bid football body taking on a little member, it's the polar opposite. I'd be amazed if City get more than a slap on the wrist.
basilrobbie3
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I suppose it depends upon how you define "a slap", to some extent. It will certainly be a real test of whether the PL and FA actually give a damn about the integrity of their competition.
Just to add - I hope for their sake City don't "know what they're doing" in the same masterful way that Everton and Forest seem to.
fcblackpool
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It will be interesting, but there are a couple of things at play here, one being the sheer power of City and the other the sheer power of PL earnings from having City strong.
There will be a balance struck where the PL can be seen to have authority and not hurt City too much at the same time. Wasn't it Barcelona who were given a transfer embargo coming into force 2 windows ahead?? RM of course make the rules and are immune to all things.
Norfolk White
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Man City will probably be given a 2 point deduction as well, carried over to next season so as not to affect their chances this season
HappyasLarry
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Feels like they are making it up as they go along.
Then you have Barnsley who shouldn't really be in the Top 6 having been found guilty of irregularities and yet are still there
Then you have Barnsley who shouldn't really be in the Top 6 having been found guilty of irregularities and yet are still there
basilrobbie3
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Having struggled through the written judgement by the Commission last night, there is a whiff of inconsistency, to say the very least. But if you keep convening bespoke Panels with varying Terms of Reference and more than a hint of steering from the EPL, this is what you are likely to get.Feels like they are making it up as they go along.
Then you have Barnsley who shouldn't really be in the Top 6 having been found guilty of irregularities and yet are still there
Meanwhile, they (the EPL) keep pushing the idea that a Regulator will bring some kind of disastrous "unintended consequences". The scariest thing about that is that implies the current shambles they are presiding over is in some way planned.
straightatthewall
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Regarding City. Are they sat on huge debts that aren't directly linked to their owners?
basilrobbie3
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They may well be, but the charges they DO face are a mixed bunch including breach of UEFA's financial rules as well as the Profit & Sustainability Rules set by the EPL.
There are also some specific charges relating to remuneration of senior staff, and about a third of the charges (as I understand it) are actually about withholding or attempting to conceal information.
One of the reasons for the delay is the breadth of the investigation and the huge number of documents that have actually been provided that the EPL are having to process.
And then there is Chelsea, of course, who haven't been charged with anything yet, but where there are a number of serious concerns about the conduct of the club under Abramovic. Not to mention the possibility of further investigation of who really owns Tottenham, and both Leagues queuing up for a very close look at Leicester. They are going to need a bigger dance floor, I think.
What I don't understand about the City case is that while I accept there is a big bundle of related breaches, why do they need to be dealt with collectively?
Surely the PSR parts are relatively straightforward, based on the accounts (or audited evidence) and could be handled sooner.
Surely the PSR parts are relatively straightforward, based on the accounts (or audited evidence) and could be handled sooner.
basilrobbie3
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Good question cside. I don't know the answer. Perhaps one set of offences is inter-dependent with others, but I'm just speculating about that.
Cable Cat
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Interesting what a point deduction for Barnsley would have done - bad run of form and not that clear.Feels like they are making it up as they go along.
Then you have Barnsley who shouldn't really be in the Top 6 having been found guilty of irregularities and yet are still there
basilrobbie3
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Going back to Everton, it seems a third hearing re the way they have treated capitalisation of costs relating to the new stadium may be on the cards. Likely to be next season - if it happens - I would have thought.
basilrobbie3
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Confirmed by Maguire on The Price of Football today. You'd like to think that some way would be found to avoid going through this rigmarole again, just (sic) to look at what happened to £6.5m.
Next big date is Monday, when the loan to MSP (Blyth Capital) becomes repayable. If not repayed, they have the option to :
- give 777 more time to raise money (which on previous form will be borrowed at eye-watering rates of interest)
- take control of the club, including the liabilities that go with it
- take ownership of an (as yet) unfinished stadium and see it through to a finish (also costly)
You have to feel for Everton fans going through this.
basilrobbie3
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With two more points suspended. Wiz, you seem to have relegated them prematurely
.The key thing about that case is that the EFL are stiffing Sheff U for £310k costs.
In other news, Morecambe also docked three points today - for non-payment of wages, I think.
Wizaard
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They're downWith two more points suspended. Wiz, you seem to have relegated them prematurely
The key thing about that case is that the EFL are stiffing Sheff U for £310k costs.
In other news, Morecambe also docked three points today - for non-payment of wages, I think.
basilrobbie3
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You heartless wretch.They're down