Extremism

Tangerinemoss

Tangerinemoss

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New definition from the Member for coke. Now, I know I may appear a little biased to some, but removing the right to strike, protest peacefully, lawfully claim asylum, gerrymandering the voting system to exclude non Tory voters (admitted by JRM on TV), proroguing Parliament to prevent a Brexit debate, would suggest to me that Rishi is going to proscribe the Tory Party. Maybe Richard Tice made him a good offer, 5 years salary and all the helicopter rides he wants.




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Tangerinemoss said:
New definition from the Member for coke. Now, I know I may appear a little biased to some, but removing the right to strike, protest peacefully, lawfully claim asylum, gerrymandering the voting system to exclude non Tory voters (admitted by JRM on TV), proroguing Parliament to prevent a Brexit debate, would suggest to me that Rishi is going to proscribe the Tory Party. Maybe Richard Tice made him a good offer, 5 years salary and all the helicopter rides he wants.


I think that’s a bit extreme

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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Demonstrate peacefully and there won’t be any issues simple really. 👍
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Not true, they have been very vocal about stopping the Palestinian Ceasfire marches, they have passed off more peacefully than most football matches, despite marches being hugely larger. Just stop oil are peaceful, they are being jailed without being allowed to speak in their own defence, against 500 years of precedent.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Not true, they have been very vocal about stopping the Palestinian Ceasfire marches, they have passed off more peacefully than most football matches, despite marches being hugely larger. Just stop oil are peaceful, they are being jailed without being allowed to speak in their own defence, against 500 years of precedent.
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What price Habeas Corpus?
 
Tangerinemoss said:
New definition from the Member for coke. Now, I know I may appear a little biased to some, but removing the right to strike, protest peacefully, lawfully claim asylum, gerrymandering the voting system to exclude non Tory voters (admitted by JRM on TV), proroguing Parliament to prevent a Brexit debate, would suggest to me that Rishi is going to proscribe the Tory Party. Maybe Richard Tice made him a good offer, 5 years salary and all the helicopter rides he wants.




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A lot of Tory MPs were also against this initiative on the grounds it could work against things close to their heart.

As an example ….

Christianity is an ideology.

Elements of Christianity are intolerant of homosexuality eg same sex marriage.

They are trying to deprive gays of fundamental human rights eg to love and commit to other adults.

Ergo elements of Christianity fall into the definition.

Don’t blame me. I didn’t draft or promote this latest wheeze.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Not true, they have been very vocal about stopping the Palestinian Ceasfire marches, they have passed off more peacefully than most football matches, despite marches being hugely larger. Just stop oil are peaceful, they are being jailed without being allowed to speak in their own defence, against 500 years of precedent.
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I’m afraid it is true.

Just stop oil are not peaceful they are throwing themselves in front of car’s buss’s waggon’s in the middle of the road simply to stop traffic its against the law to do it so is gluing yourself to the road so why are they breaking the law?

There’s always arrest’s at the PLO marches granted not many but people have been arrested on most of those marches for going that bit further than just peacefully protesting like the majority do.

Like I said keep protesting within the law and everyone is happy sadly that’s not the case though is it there’s always a few that want to stand out and break the law.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I’m afraid it is true.

Just stop oil are not peaceful they are throwing themselves in front of car’s buss’s waggon’s in the middle of the road simply to stop traffic its against the law to do it so is gluing yourself to the road so why are they breaking the law?

There’s always arrest’s at the PLO marches granted not many but people have been arrested on most of those marches for going that bit further than just peacefully protesting like the majority do.

Like I said keep protesting within the law and everyone is happy sadly that’s not the case though is it there’s always a few that want to stand out.
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So do we ban football matches because there are frequently arrests of fans for their violent intolerance of opposition fans?
 
1966_and_all_that said:
The football matches. My English was clear enough.
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Apologies pressed post reply before completing my comments.

I’m still not sure what your saying here though?

I never mentioned football matches because the reply I gave to the previous poster didn’t but it changes nothing you break the law you face the consequences in anything.
 
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I’m afraid it is true.

Just stop oil are not peaceful they are throwing themselves in front of car’s buss’s waggon’s in the middle of the road simply to stop traffic its against the law to do it so is gluing yourself to the road so why are they breaking the law?

There’s always arrest’s at the PLO marches granted not many but people have been arrested on most of those marches for going that bit further than just peacefully protesting like the majority do.

Like I said keep protesting within the law and everyone is happy sadly that’s not the case though is it there’s always a few that want to stand out and break the law.
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But the law was changed to make peaceful rotests like just stop oil illegal (if you think glueing yourself to a road or walking slowly are violent, I suggest you check a dictionary), and giving a defence was made contempt of court. So they are following the law two years ago, but not now. If the Executive changes the law to mandate anything they don't like illegal, that is not a democracy, that is a dictatorship.

There is a very simple solution to all these "extremists" Call a General Election and see if the Public agree with the Government.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I didn't say you did say that. I am talking generally in the context of the thread. It really shouldn't be necessary to explain at this level of detail. There has to be a basic level of comprehension.
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Yes a basic level of comprehension so long as it’s within the law so nothing wrong with that. 👍
 
Tangerinemoss said:
But the law was changed to make peaceful rotests like just stop oil illegal (if you think glueing yourself to a road or walking slowly are violent, I suggest you check a dictionary), and giving a defence was made contempt of court. So they are following the law two years ago, but not now. If the Executive changes the law to mandate anything they don't like illegal, that is not a democracy, that is a dictatorship.

There is a very simple solution to all these "extremists" Call a General Election and see if the Public agree with the Government.
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The violence comes from the public who get totally pissed off with these Charlatans blocking the roads I thought you would have twigged that.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
So it’s the people being punched, not the people doing the punching, who are the extremists? 😂
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So if their a peaceful bunch why don’t they march with their stop oil banners on the pavements not bothering anyone?
Why do they sit in the middle of the road to get their point across?
Word it how you want but it’s called breaking the law and quite rightly they are arrested for it.
 
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So their a peaceful bunch why don’t they match with their stop oil banners on the pavements?
Why sit in the middle of the road to get the point across?
Word it how you want but it’s called breaking the law and quite rightly they are arrested.
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It shouldn’t really need saying (again) but I’ll say it anyway.

It’s perfectly possible to march and even sit in the middle of the road during a peaceful protest. Being disruptive and irritating is part and parcel of legitimate protest. Otherwise what’s the point?

A non peaceful protest (ie one involving violence) is entirely different. It involves violence committed by the protesters. Attacks on the protesters by others don’t mean the protesters have stopped being peaceful.

To pick up on Mossy’s point, peaceful protests in London have been labelled “hate marches” designed to create no go areas in the capital. This is nonsense. The fact a handful of protesters have been arrested for various offences doesn’t change the fact the protests have been largely non violent.

If you want to ban those marches on the basis that people were arrested, then as explained to you by other posters, that means football matches should also be banned as extremist. Under Mr Gove’s new definition.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
It shouldn’t really need saying (again) but I’ll say it anyway.

It’s perfectly possible to march and even sit in the middle of the road during a peaceful protest. Being disruptive and irritating is part and parcel of legitimate protest. Otherwise what’s the point?

A non peaceful protest (ie one involving violence) is entirely different. It involves violence committed by the protesters. Attacks on the protesters by others don’t mean the protesters have stopped being peaceful.

To pick up on Mossy’s point, peaceful protests in London have been labelled “hate marches” designed to create no go areas in the capital. This is nonsense. The fact a handful of protesters have been arrested for various offences doesn’t change the fact the protests have been largely non violent.

If you want to ban those marches on the basis that people were arrested, then as explained to you by other posters, that means football matches should also be banned as extremist. Under Mr Gove’s new definition presumably.
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I know I keep repeating myself here but I say again you break the law you are liable to get arrested at any march/protest or event and I’m sorry sitting in the middle of the road no matter how futile it seems is against the law hence they get arrested.

Serious question why can’t everyone protest peacefully?
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I know I keep repeating myself here but I say again you break the law you are liable to get arrested at any march/protest or event and I’m sorry sitting in the middle of the road no matter how futile it seems is against the law hence they get arrested.

Serious question why can’t everyone protest peacefully?
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Most people can protest peacefully. And most people do protest peacefully. And yes some of those get arrested. Doesn’t mean they aren’t protesting peacefully.

You seem to think if a person is arrested then their protest must by definition be non peaceful. I seem to remember two high profile BFC fans being arrested outside an Oyston estate agency. Caused alarm and consternation for some people no doubt but it was perfectly peaceful.
 
Social media sites and the internet are a real issue in not just the spread of extremism and hatred, but also in other forms of unacceptable behaviour and polarised opinions. Even normally rational people seem to turn rabid at times. Proper policing of those sites, and a concerted effort to close the dark web, would be a good first step in improving society and reducing the spread of extremism, racism, sexism, etc .
 
bfcpete said:
Social media sites and the internet are a real issue in not just the spread of extremism and hatred, but also in other forms of unacceptable behaviour and polarised opinions. Even normally rational people seem to turn rabid at times. Proper policing of those sites, and a concerted effort to close the dark web, would be a good first step in improving society and reducing the spread of extremism, racism, sexism, etc .
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Is this you volunteering to be a mod?

Good luck with that. 👍

I’m not by the way. Despite rumours to the contrary.
 
The Judgement Day Marches would all be classified as extremist under these new definitions.

The Oystons would have claimed (with an element of truth) that they were being threatened with violence, and with death threats.

No march would be allowed.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I know I keep repeating myself here but I say again you break the law you are liable to get arrested at any march/protest or event and I’m sorry sitting in the middle of the road no matter how futile it seems is against the law hence they get arrested.

Serious question why can’t everyone protest peacefu
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So if you don’t like what people are protesting about you just pay a few thugs to mingle, start a bit of trouble, the protesters get band. Job done.
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Tangerinemoss said:
Ah, so anyone who is violent is OK, it's the ones they are violent to who are at fault.

I see now, thanks
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I didn’t say that did I?

Look I appreciate you don’t agree with me here fair enough but ever thought if these people weren’t protesting by sitting down in the middle of the road there wouldn’t be any violence towards them?
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I didn’t say that did I?

Look I appreciate you don’t agree with me here fair enough but ever thought if these people weren’t protesting by sitting down in the middle of the road there wouldn’t be any violence towards them?
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Yes you did

"The violence comes from the public who get totally pissed off with these Charlatans blocking the roads "

You are condoning violence whilst supporting the proscribing of non violent protestors.

And your second sentence is just nuts. The whole point of protest is disruption, until recently it was legal. I like the parallels above with our own anti Oyston protests, they were disruptive, did you not support them?
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Yes you did

"The violence comes from the public who get totally pissed off with these Charlatans blocking the roads "

You are condoning violence whilst supporting the proscribing of non violent protestors.

And your second sentence is just nuts. The whole point of protest is disruption, until recently it was legal. I like the parallels above with our own anti Oyston protests, they were disruptive, did you not support them?
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Er, no I didn’t say that at all.

You said anyone who is violet is ok?

You said it not me your contradicting yourself now.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Er, no I didn’t say that at all.

You said anyone who is violet is ok?

You said it not me your contradicting yourself now.
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Nope, you are trying to wriggle out of your comments on peaceful protestors apparently provoking violence.

You and I may disagree, but I fully support your right to peaceful protest without calling you an extremist. Apparently you don't suport other rights to peaceful protest if you don't agree with their cause. As I asked above, did you not support our marches?
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Nope, you are trying to wriggle out of your comments on peaceful protestors apparently provoking violence.

You and I may disagree, but I fully support your right to peaceful protest without calling you an extremist. Apparently you don't suport other rights to peaceful protest if you don't agree with their cause. As I asked above, did you not support our marches?
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I support the right of any march so long as it’s peaceful and within the law.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Not true, they have been very vocal about stopping the Palestinian Ceasfire marches, they have passed off more peacefully than most football matches, despite marches being hugely larger. Just stop oil are peaceful, they are being jailed without being allowed to speak in their own defence, against 500 years of precedent.
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They police the current "ceasefire" marches incredibly differently to football matches.

One fan at a football match misbehaves and all hell breaks loose, antagonising those who are close to it.

If they did the same with the idiot minority on the marches it would escalate into something very different.

I'm not saying it's wrong, and by and large they are nice middle class folk protesting, but make no mistake, if they policed it like they police us, it would turn ugly.

Just stop oil stopping people going about their normal business etc deserve everything they get.
 
TSSeasider said:
They police the current "ceasefire" marches incredibly differently to football matches.

One fan at a football match misbehaves and all hell breaks loose, antagonising those who are close to it.

If they did the same with the idiot minority on the marches it would escalate into something very different.

I'm not saying it's wrong, and by and large they are nice middle class folk protesting, but make no mistake, if they policed it like they police us, it would turn ugly.

Just stop oil stopping people going about their normal business etc deserve everything they get.
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And your evidence of two or even three tier policing is based on what exactly?
 
TSSeasider said:
They police the current "ceasefire" marches incredibly differently to football matches.

One fan at a football match misbehaves and all hell breaks loose, antagonising those who are close to it.

If they did the same with the idiot minority on the marches it would escalate into something very different.

I'm not saying it's wrong, and by and large they are nice middle class folk protesting, but make no mistake, if they policed it like they police us, it would turn ugly.

Just stop oil stopping people going about their normal business etc deserve everything they get.
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OMG I hope you're not promoting violence 😯

Anyway did anyone watch the boxing at the weekend, awesome KO. 🤔
 
JJpool said:
The evidence maybe, to those who actually are willing to look with their eyes open?
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Well in recent years the only time I’ve seen police and fans engaged was at Brum. And that was short lived. It was also very cold.

Stoke was very heavily policed. I’m not sure why. But the only trouble I saw was when a young lad tried to kick a football around and was told off by two police officers.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Well in recent years the only time I’ve seen police and fans engaged was at Brum. And that was short lived. It was also very cold.

Stoke was very heavily policed. I’m not sure why. But the only trouble I saw was when a young lad tried to kick a football around and was told off by two police officers.
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Football fans have always been hit hard with policing not seen in other areas of society, because of the old hooligan days and no-one bats an eyelid when someone gets done.

OK there's some misbehaviour and shenanigans these days but in comparison to years gone it's a tea party mainly.

The police don't seem to know how to police some marches etc or how to police when certain sections of society are involved who might club together with collective outrage.

Obviously there's tons of different scenarios for this but generally the law should be seen and should be applied evenly.

It is easier said than done, but comes down to strong leadership, as most things often do.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
New definition from the Member for coke. Now, I know I may appear a little biased to some, but removing the right to strike, protest peacefully, lawfully claim asylum, gerrymandering the voting system to exclude non Tory voters (admitted by JRM on TV), proroguing Parliament to prevent a Brexit debate, would suggest to me that Rishi is going to proscribe the Tory Party. Maybe Richard Tice made him a good offer, 5 years salary and all the helicopter rides he wants.




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The trouble is that they would have to start by arresting themselves.

The day we are rid of these fifth-rate charlatans can't come soon enough.
 
No buses into Leeds on Sunday as extremist Catholics marching through town to celebrate snakes being deported from Ireland.

Bloody religion getting in the way again.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
But the law was changed to make peaceful rotests like just stop oil illegal (if you think glueing yourself to a road or walking slowly are violent, I suggest you check a dictionary), and giving a defence was made contempt of court. So they are following the law two years ago, but not now. If the Executive changes the law to mandate anything they don't like illegal, that is not a democracy, that is a dictatorship.

There is a very simple solution to all these "extremists" Call a General Election and see if the Public agree with the Government.
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mmmmm..so are you suggesting that the outcome of the election would be solely based on the topic of extremism? I doubt it so why write such a ridiculous comment then! I'd suggest that Labour will sweep to victory simply because the general public are fed up of the Tories and that disillusionment stems from much more than just the latest hop topic of extremism.
 
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