Fleetwood's accounts for 20/21

nameless said:
How can BST and the other Trusts honestly say they oppose the way the EPL is run when they get huge grants from that fans fund (1), and why hasn't the FSA put forward the mode of engagement that BST have used at BR? (2)
Its ok having engagement written into a new constitution etc if it just becomes another layer of self preserving self interest (3),that doesnt fundamentally change the thing that needs changing.
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Just for the sake of accuracy :

(1) The FSA is funded centrally. But is incorrect to say that individual Trusts receive national grant as we don't (BST receives no monies from any central resource). We do of course benefit in kind from support from the FSA through its national activities - like every supporter in the country. In any case, are you suggesting that because the FSA receives its funding via the FA and EPL that means it can't ever criticise them? I would have thought the fact that it regularly bites the hand that feeds it is a good thing, not a bad one.

(2) I'm not sure what you are driving at here. Are you saying that BST is an exemplar? Or that there is something wrong with our engagement? Your remarks could be construed as meaning either. If its the latter, any suggestions for improvement would be welcome and you can send them to me in my capacity as Secretary to the Trust at bst-secretary@blackpoolsupporterstrust.com

(3) again, this is very cryptic. Can you explain what you mean?

Incidentally, it is almost two weeks ago now since you posted on another thread about BST Committee Members allegedly receiving gratuities ; and I invited you to provide details to me at the e-mail address above so that I could investigate them. I've received no such email to date - will there be one ?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The idea that having more than one League Club in such a small catchment area doesn’t have a negative impact on attendances for all clubs in that area.

It obviously does .
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I don’t see it that way for reasons I’ve previously said.

Blackpool may have lost a few hundred supporters during the NAPM years but I would say 99% have all now returned.

Fleetwood’s gates wouldn’t improve if they ever got to the championship same with Fylde should they ever get to the EFL.

What we have now across the 3 clubs is the hard core support and nothings going to change it for the foreseeable future.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
Just for the sake of accuracy :

(1) The FSA is funded centrally. But is incorrect to say that individual Trusts receive national grant as we don't (BST receives no monies from any central resource). We do of course benefit in kind from support from the FSA through its national activities - like every supporter in the country. In any case, are you suggesting that because the FSA receives its funding via the FA and EPL that means it can't ever criticise them? I would have thought the fact that it regularly bites the hand that feeds it is a good thing, not a bad one.
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The individual Trusts are funded in part through the core group and where have I said they cant criticise the FA/EPL? More twisting on your part and its clearly tactical once again. This point was raised by a candidate some time ago that by taking a wedge off the thing that's responsible for destroying football, that its hypocritical and also part of the problem ; not a viable nor objective solution. What if say Conference passed a motion to ask fans to stop subscribing to Sky etc; would that cause the funding to be stopped as fans protested across the country because I think it would
basilrobbie3 said:
(2) I'm not sure what you are driving at here. Are you saying that BST is an exemplar? Or that there is something wrong with our engagement? Your remarks could be construed as meaning either. If its the latter, any suggestions for improvement would be welcome and you can send them to me in my capacity as Secretary to the Trust at bst-secretary@blackpoolsupporterstrust.com
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BST presently engage on an equitable basis with Blackpool FC where everbody contributes,but the FSA have a policy of Trusts first and everyone must enrol in that organisation. There is also a national policy in supporting Trusts who ban members which is many cases are simply a kangaroo court in operation,which we've actually witnessed with BST to an extent a few years ago with a very good friend of yours.
basilrobbie3 said:
(3) again, this is very cryptic. Can you explain what you mean?

Incidentally, it is almost two weeks ago now since you posted on another thread about BST Committee Members allegedly receiving gratuities ; and I invited you to provide details to me at the e-mail address above so that I could investigate them. I've received no such email to date - will there be one ?
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There was no allegation of receiving gratuities -see tactical reference above- but simply pointing out that expenses are paid and asking for BST committee to state what they were/are and you can include those who sit on the FSA National Council. Just a matter of transparency and honestly but you're dodging it again and I guess working out a way to ban me like you've done others.

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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I don’t see it that way for reasons I’ve previously said.

Blackpool may have lost a few hundred supporters during the NAPM years but I would say 99% have all now returned.

Fleetwood’s gates wouldn’t improve if they ever got to the championship same with Fylde should they ever get to the EFL.

What we have now across the 3 clubs is the hard core support and nothings going to change it for the foreseeable future.
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It doesn’t matter how you see it. It’s just basic supply and demand / maths.

It’s just a stupid discussion really, because it’s obvious.
 
nameless said:
The individual Trusts are funded in part through the core group and where have I said they cant criticise the FA/EPL (1)? More twisting on your part and its clearly tactical once again. This point was raised by a candidate some time ago that by taking a wedge off the thing that's responsible for destroying football, that its hypocritical and also part of the problem ; not a viable nor objective solution. What if say Conference passed a motion to ask fans to stop subscribing to Sky etc; would that cause the funding to be stopped as fans protested across the country because I think it would

BST presently engage on an equitable basis with Blackpool FC where everbody contributes,but the FSA have a policy of Trusts first and everyone must enrol in that organisation. There is also a national policy in supporting Trusts who ban members which is many cases are simply a kangaroo court in operation,which we've actually witnessed with BST to an extent a few years ago with a very good friend of yours. (2)

There was no allegation of receiving gratuities -see tactical reference above- but simply pointing out that expenses are paid and asking for BST committee to state what they were/are and you can include those who sit on the FSA National Council. Just a matter of transparency and honestly but you're dodging it again and I guess working out a way to ban me like you've done others. (3)

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(1) Well I'm glad we agree about that - and they do it all the time, which I'm sure you'll agree is as it should be. On the point about where the funding comes from, I agree that the current arrangement isn't ideal. Which is why an approach that is clear and backed by law would be much better.

(2) I'm assuming that you are saying on balance that you approve of BST consultation methods, which is good to know. Your remarks about banning members are your opinion, and if you have a problem with way that the FSA manage these procedures you need to take it up with them really. I'm not going to comment on individual BST Members as I don't thnk it would be fair or appropriate - especially on a public forum with someone who insists upon remaining anonymous.

(3) I took the liberty of copying your exact remarks and you said :

"Btw in all the time, money and effort I've put into football fans representation etc I've never taken a penny in expenses or gratuities- I wonder if BST and FSA delegates can say the same....."

I think the inference was clear, but in the interests of fairness, I gave you an opportunity to contact me with details and promised I would look into them. I also in the same thread pointed out to you that the BST Constitution only provides for the remuneration of the Secretary (if the Committee so decides). And in our case, I am unpaid. I also pointed you towards the annual accounts that we lodge with the FSA and which are audited for accuracy.

You've chosen not to pursue that invitation thus far. I'm merely asking you if you intend to. I would rather do this in private, but you chose to raise these matters on a public forum and it is hard to contact someone who calls themselves "Nameless", as I'm sure you will appreciate.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
(1) Well I'm glad we agree about that - and they do it all the time, which I'm sure you'll agree is as it should be. On the point about where the funding comes from, I agree that the current arrangement isn't ideal. Which is why an approach that is clear and backed by law would be much better.

(2) I'm assuming that you are saying on balance that you approve of BST consultation methods, which is good to know. Your remarks about banning members are your opinion, and if you have a problem with way that the FSA manage these procedures you need to take it up with them really. I'm not going to comment on individual BST Members as I don't thnk it would be fair or appropriate - especially on a public forum with someone who insists upon remaining anonymous.
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The forum allows people to post anonymously but also at times permits people to be 'outed', and in this context you seem to want to have your cake and eat it. The FSA has been letting down fans for years and its worth saying because things are being promised that arent going to be delivered, and your time as an AVFTT mod has been inconsistent to say the least and in my view you cant be trusted to deliver an objective and equitable engagement. (as BST secretary)
basilrobbie3 said:
(3) I took the liberty of copying your exact remarks and you said :

"Btw in all the time, money and effort I've put into football fans representation etc I've never taken a penny in expenses or gratuities- I wonder if BST and FSA delegates can say the same....."

I think the inference was clear, but in the interests of fairness, I gave you an opportunity to contact me with details and promised I would look into them. I also in the same thread pointed out to you that the BST Constitution only provides for the remuneration of the Secretary (if the Committee so decides). And in our case, I am unpaid. I also pointed you towards the annual accounts that we lodge with the FSA and which are audited for accuracy.
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The question was asked because its entirely relevant given BST committee took up a job within the club, and as you've hinted before everything has to stand up to scrutiny. I havent taken a gratuity (nor expenses) but the question was asked which might not necessarily appear in any accounts.
basilrobbie3 said:
You've chosen not to pursue that invitation thus far. I'm merely asking you if you intend to. I would rather do this in private, but you chose to raise these matters on a public forum and it is hard to contact someone who calls themselves "Nameless", as I'm sure you will appreciate.
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This is (supposed to be) an open forum and I've had direct questions ignored, and trying to get round it by shuffling it off onto private messaging wont work. You're first to point the finger at clubs finances/governance and do it publically, but when its in your own back yard you want the gates shutting and the blinds pulling down. Tsk.
 
Cheesed Off said:
There's some naive people on here. Football clubs are a fantastic way to make money disappear, mission accomplished.
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Make money disappear?

So bearing in mind that we don’t have any cash transactions in this day and age and so all financial transactions at a football club (both in and out) are electronic and auditable ….

How do you make money ‘disappear’ ?

Genuine question…
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Make money disappear?

So bearing in mind that we don’t have any cash transactions in this day and age and so all financial transactions at a football club (both in and out) are electronic and auditable ….

How do you make money ‘disappear’ ?

Genuine question…
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