For the first time this season, I'm unsure

And found a manager to accommodate those two? Who? Don't say Appleton. 😀

We're in a dogfight. I think both players will have a role to play. Rogers straight in for CJ for starters! Bowler off the bench for now maybe.
So you think Rogers will play wing back and Bowler a sub

God I hope not
 
So you think Rogers will play wing back and Bowler a sub

God I hope not
I don't know. I think Rogers was a better option than CJ in that position. But not necessarily the best option at LWB. It's possible that Mick is drumming the need to track and defend into the whole squad and sees Bowler as someone who needs to improve in that regard. I suggested so last week before we even played Southampton. he picked him but I'm not sure he will start at Boro. Might do but I won't be shocked if he doesn't. He didn't exactly look up to speed.
 
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So you think Rogers will play wing back and Bowler a sub

God I hope not
I think we have to wait and see how things pan out Phil. You’re already wetting your knickers and we haven’t played a League game yet.

There’s going to be games where we might have to change things up, but if they decide that 532 is the winning formula (and it turns out as such) does it really matter?

Neither Rogers or Bowler is a Blackpool player (there was rumour we might be looking for an option to buy Rogers ? probably dreaming on that one)…

There’s the option for Keshi to make a return and contribute in that system…

I think the biggest issue is not so much leaving out players like Rogers & Bowler, but whether we have the players to be effective as wingbacks.
 
I think we have to wait and see how things pan out Phil. You’re already wetting your knickers and we haven’t played a League game yet.

There’s going to be games where we might have to change things up, but if they decide that 532 is the winning formula (and it turns out as such) does it really matter?

Neither Rogers or Bowler is a Blackpool player (there was rumour we might be looking for an option to buy Rogers ? probably dreaming on that one)…

There’s the option for Keshi to make a return and contribute in that system…

I think the biggest issue is not so much leaving out players like Rogers & Bowler, but whether we have the players to be effective as wingbacks.
i sort of agree. I'd suggest the only natural wing back we have is Jordan Gabriel. And I'm not sure how McCarthy can see it any different. Asking a player who is a natural forward thinking winger to play as a wing back can have consequences as we found out with CJ on saturday.

And whereas I'm happy with the appointment and McCarthy doing whatever is necessary to get the results needed, Phil does have a perfectly valid point in that maybe we don't have the players to fit into a system that McCarthy prefers. Which has pretty much has always been the point he is making.
 
I always thought we had a squad good enough to stay up I felt that the tactics of MA were not good enough to get the best out of most of the players and the strategy to most games was lacking. I think with better management these players definitely have it to get us out of this pickle.
 
I think we have to wait and see how things pan out Phil. You’re already wetting your knickers and we haven’t played a League game yet.

There’s going to be games where we might have to change things up, but if they decide that 532 is the winning formula (and it turns out as such) does it really matter?

Neither Rogers or Bowler is a Blackpool player (there was rumour we might be looking for an option to buy Rogers ? probably dreaming on that one)…

There’s the option for Keshi to make a return and contribute in that system…

I think the biggest issue is not so much leaving out players like Rogers & Bowler, but whether we have the players to be effective as wingbacks.
To be honest it just shows a complete lack of planning from top to bottom

3 managers in 18 months all with different ideas and playing styles

What happened to the Blackpool way or the process that we were sold

It's a right mess to be honest
 
To be honest it just shows a complete lack of planning from top to bottom

3 managers in 18 months all with different ideas and playing styles

What happened to the Blackpool way or the process that we were sold

It's a right mess to be honest
It all went tits up when we appointed Appleton. 😉

With a better appointment we wouldn't be where we are. But maybe we didn't get any applications from better people. Maybe they all saw how well Critchley did and didn't fancy following on from that! Appleton was probably right, we over achieved with Critchley. Just don't don't say it out loud if you are the new coach!
 
It all went tits up when we appointed Appleton. 😉
Well yeah he was a bizarre appointment I think we all agree with that

Where we differ is that I don't really think he had a chance and the fact he was allowed to bring 2 wingers in a week before he got sacked and replaced by a 532 man borders on the insane

Like I posted earlier up, this season has been like no other due to the World Cup with more games squeezed into a shorter time frame

And our lack of options obviously contributed to our poor run of form
 
Well yeah he was a bizarre appointment I think we all agree with that

Where we differ is that I don't really think he had a chance and the fact he was allowed to bring 2 wingers in a week before he got sacked and replaced by a 532 man borders on the insane

Like I posted earlier up, this season has been like no other due to the World Cup with more games squeezed into a shorter time frame

And our lack of options obviously contributed to our poor run of form
There have been mistakes obviously. Sadler must be chewing over his own part in it all given his insistence that Appleton was a great choice. But I think also that money is a factor in our decision making. A lot of Championship managers are on money we can't and won't pay. It significantly limits the field. No strong names were mentioned were they? Most of the time you get what you pay for.

It's the most important job in the place. Get it wrong and you are in a mess. Getting rid early is expensive. I suspect Sadler was loathe to incur the cost, but also hoping his choice would prove to be a decent one. So he prevaricated.

Appleton was given a chance. He didn't get the myriad of players you wanted him to get but that is how it is in real life. Critchley didn't get the players he wanted or needed either. Hardly any manager ever does. I bet Potter still feels short at Chelsea, he's a bit light up front still! Where's the 20 goals a season striker?! Appleton looked uncomfortable and said the wrong things and sucked the life out of the place and didn't get results. He didn't behave like someone who would turn it round if we signed the perfect players for each position, to me. I think he quickly regretted taking the job and retreated into his tattooed shell. Wrong man in the wrong place. Incredibly uncomfortable. New players don't change that.

It was a bad Sadler decision but up to that decision Sadler had done really well. Moved the club forward enormously both on and off the pitch. In real life it must be incredibly difficult finding the right coaches and keeping hold of them if they do well, and balancing the incoming and outgoing of footballers, especially in the culture we now have in football. Who can you persuade to come to Blackpool? How long a contract do you give them? Do you double their wages if they do well? We all like to play Monopoly with Sadler's hedge money i think. We have spent more money than the club has brought in since he took over. By and large he has spent it well i think. My choice when Critch was appointed was Evatt. I think he'd still be with us. I wouldn't have appointed Appleton but i don't know for sure who else applied. If there was nobody I really fancied I would have put a caretaker in and not rushed it. But there are no guarantees and we can't always get what we want. We can't afford what we want, basically. How many current Championship managers would do the Blackpool job for the money we can offer? If someone unproven took the job and did well, how long before they get offered much more money elsewhere? It makes the board' job incredibly difficult i think, and some fans fail to appreciate this.
 
i sort of agree. I'd suggest the only natural wing back we have is Jordan Gabriel. And I'm not sure how McCarthy can see it any different. Asking a player who is a natural forward thinking winger to play as a wing back can have consequences as we found out with CJ on saturday.

And whereas I'm happy with the appointment and McCarthy doing whatever is necessary to get the results needed, Phil does have a perfectly valid point in that maybe we don't have the players to fit into a system that McCarthy prefers. Which has pretty much has always been the point he is making.
It’s the obvious concern for most of us…. When the McCarthy appointment was mooted, that was the main topic we all raised… How does he shoehorn this squad into his preferred system?

The board will have inevitably had the same concerns and so there must be a viable answer to that question.

I’d like to hope that Mick and TC have enough experience between them than to force a system out of bloody mindedness and so either a) They’ll find a way to make it work or b) find an alternative system

Until we see them play some competitive games we’re all in the dark tbh…

And that’s where I’m coming from here… Whilst I get the issue (we all do).. I do t see the point in finding 101 way to repeat the same thing over and over and bring the optimism amd feel good down…

This is where we are between now and the end of the season and this constant negativity is a much bigger problem… We all called Applegoose a mood hoover / energy vampire, but there’s plenty among our own ranks at the minute…and it’s very contagious
 
There have been mistakes obviously. Sadler must be chewing over his own part in it all given his insistence that Appleton was a great choice. But I think also that money is a factor in our decision making. A lot of Championship managers are on money we can't and won't pay. It significantly limits the field. No strong names were mentioned were they? Most of the time you get what you pay for.

It's the most important job in the place. Get it wrong and you are in a mess. Getting rid early is expensive. I suspect Sadler was loathe to incur the cost, but also hoping his choice would prove to be a decent one. So he prevaricated.

Appleton was given a chance. He didn't get the myriad of players you wanted him to get but that is how it is in real life. Critchley didn't get the players he wanted or needed either. Hardly any manager ever does. I bet Potter still feels short at Chelsea, he's a bit light up front still! Where's the 20 goals a season striker?! Appleton looked uncomfortable and said the wrong things and sucked the life out of the place and didn't get results. He didn't behave like someone who would turn it round if we signed the perfect players for each position, to me. I think he quickly regretted taking the job and retreated into his tattooed shell. Wrong man in the wrong place. Incredibly uncomfortable. New players don't change that.

It was a bad Sadler decision but up to that decision Sadler had done really well. Moved the club forward enormously both on and off the pitch. In real life it must be incredibly difficult finding the right coaches and keeping hold of them if they do well, and balancing the incoming and outgoing of footballers, especially in the culture we now have in football. Who can you persuade to come to Blackpool? How long a contract do you give them? Do you double their wages if they do well? We all like to play Monopoly with Sadler's hedge money i think. We have spent more money than the club has brought in since he took over. By and large he has spent it well i think. My choice when Critch was appointed was Evatt. I think he'd still be with us. I wouldn't have appointed Appleton but i don't know for sure who else applied. If there was nobody I really fancied I would have put a caretaker in and not rushed it. But there are no guarantees and we can't always get what we want. We can't afford what we want, basically. How many current Championship managers would do the Blackpool job for the money we can offer? If someone unproven took the job and did well, how long before they get offered much more money elsewhere? It makes the board' job incredibly difficult i think, and some fans fail to appreciate this.
Yeah I get all that

However there has to be a plan or a process

OK Critchley left that's fine but at least try and get somebody similar as in style of play etc

Appleton was completely different to Critchley in absolutely everything

So Appleton doesn't work and the board goes to McCarthy

Now again he's completely different again

A 60 odd year old experienced manager with set ideas and a proven effective way of getting results

My point is we currently don't have the players for the Big Mick way

It's all a mess with very little planning or footballing common sense

I'm starting to think that our board don't have a fcuking clue what they are doing
 
Lyons will go to LWB, CC will cover the RWB until Jordy G finishes his deliveries. New lad takes over from CC in the centre.
I hope not CC isn't good enough on the ball to be a wing back and Lyons is on his wrong foot (might be OK in Ireland, but this is the Championship)

We are extremely short in those 2 positions

Lyons right wing back and Thomson left wing back for me if Mick has to play this dreadful system
 
I hope not CC isn't good enough on the ball to be a wing back and Lyons is on his wrong foot (might be OK in Ireland, but this is the Championship)

We are extremely short in those 2 positions

Lyons right wing back and Thomson left wing back for me if Mick has to play this dreadful system
Think he might go for that though, otherwise JG and AL aren't playing in the same XI
 
Think he might go for that though, otherwise JG and AL aren't playing in the same XI
Thompson did OK to start off with, had a few good games until the mistakes started to happen

He's all blood and thunder up and down type of player, big Mick might actually get the best out of someone like him

JG has been a big miss, I know a lot of folk don't like him, but we are so much better with him a RB than Connolly

It was criminal that we didn't bring a RB in sooner
 
Thompson did OK to start off with, had a few good games until the mistakes started to happen

He's all blood and thunder up and down type of player, big Mick might actually get the best out of someone like him

JG has been a big miss, I know a lot of folk don't like him, but we are so much better with him a RB than Connolly

It was criminal that we didn't bring a RB in sooner
Thompson could be OK if he’s given clear instruction about what’s expected. As I’ve said before, he epitomised ‘clown-ball’ for me … I think at one point he somehow managed to appear on the right wing, whilst playing Left Back.
 
Yeah I get all that

However there has to be a plan or a process

OK Critchley left that's fine but at least try and get somebody similar as in style of play etc

Appleton was completely different to Critchley in absolutely everything

So Appleton doesn't work and the board goes to McCarthy

Now again he's completely different again

A 60 odd year old experienced manager with set ideas and a proven effective way of getting results

My point is we currently don't have the players for the Big Mick way

It's all a mess with very little planning or footballing common sense

I'm starting to think that our board don't have a fcuking clue what they are doing
I basically agree but I also think that they made one big mistake, Appleton. MM is just a short term job to try to keep us up and limit the damage. When things are going well and the main man suddenly leaves it creates a problem. I think they should have taken their time. It might have avoided this shambolic season. It's one mistake though amongst a lot of progress for the club since the homecoming day.
 
Thompson could be OK if he’s given clear instruction about what’s expected. As I’ve said before, he epitomised ‘clown-ball’ for me … I think at one point he somehow managed to appear on the right wing, whilst playing Left Back.
That was known as "total football" in the olden days. 😉
 
Thompson could be OK if he’s given clear instruction about what’s expected. As I’ve said before, he epitomised ‘clown-ball’ for me … I think at one point he somehow managed to appear on the right wing, whilst playing Left Back.
I remember Thompson's first game cos although I wasn't watching it my son texted me and said the new left back is fantastic. Will be interesting to see if MM uses him. He may iron him out. He may hang him out to dry. He didn't get on last weekend but early days.
 
I remember Thompson's first game cos although I wasn't watching it my son texted me and said the new left back is fantastic. Will be interesting to see if MM uses him. He may iron him out. He may hang him out to dry. He didn't get on last weekend but early days.
I’ve got to admit, I thought he was appalling on Day 1 and I’ve seen nothing to change my mind. Considering the quality coaching he must have had he just hasn’t ever looked like a football player to me at all.

He’s got bags of energy and enthusiasm (which often spills over), but he seems to lack any kind of discipline or awareness.

My hope is that we can put that down to Appleton and a distinct lack of leadership both off the field and on it…

Maybe he might do better in a well drilled and more experienced defensive unit, working with a Manager who will set some clearer boundaries/ expectations.
 
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I’ve got to admit, I thought he was appalling on Day 1 and I’ve seen nothing to change my mind. Considering the quality coaching he must have had he just hasn’t ever looked like a football player to me at all.

He’s got bags of energy and enthusiasm (which often spills over), but he seems to lack any kind of discipline or awareness.

My hope is that we can put that down to Appleton and a distinct lack of leadership both off the field and on it…

Maybe he might do better in a well drilled and more experienced defensive unit, working with a Manager who will set some clearer boundaries/ expectations.
What about day 2
 
What about day 2
“Day 2” was a typo…😂

Seriously though Phil, surely you know where I’m coming from on this. He was literally all over the place…

Corbeanu was not all that dissimilar in the respect that you can see the athleticism and ability, but there seemed to be no ‘football brain’ there.

In the case of Corbeanu it’s understandable, given he’s from Canada and maybe not been coached into systems so well, but Thomson is a product of the Arsenal Academy, so you’d expect him to be better drilled really would you?

Compare that to say Patino, who even at such a young age, looks completely at home… OK he needs to maybe toughen up a bit and gain experience, but he looks like he knows what he’s doing nonetheless.
 
I’ve got to admit, I thought he was appalling on Day 1 and I’ve seen nothing to change my mind. Considering the quality coaching he must have had he just hasn’t ever looked like a football player to me at all.

He’s got bags of energy and enthusiasm (which often spills over), but he seems to lack any kind of discipline or awareness.

My hope is that we can put that down to Appleton and a distinct lack of leadership both off the field and on it…

Maybe he might do better in a well drilled and more experienced defensive unit, working with a Manager who will set some clearer boundaries/ expectations.
Scrafton said: "Jordan Thorniley, meanwhile, had to fill in at left-back when debutant Thompson - who enjoyed an excellent first outing in tangerine - limped off towards the end with a tight groin."
 
Scrafton said: "Jordan Thorniley, meanwhile, had to fill in at left-back when debutant Thompson - who enjoyed an excellent first outing in tangerine - limped off towards the end with a tight groin."
Yep… I know … A few people I know were raving about him too… I said “he looked like a headless chicken to me”.

It’s only my opinion 👍
 
Yep… I know … A few people I know were raving about him too… I said “he looked like a headless chicken to me”.

It’s only my opinion 👍
Sean Mc said:

"The Seasiders always looked threatened by Reading when the Royals played balls in behind the backline but controlled proceedings generally well, shifting the ball about with purpose in the first half. Dominic Thompson looking assured and composed under pressure on his debut following his permanent arrival from Brentford."

Sounds unlike headless chicken. Just needs a decent coach and a stable system perhaps?!
 
Sean Mc said:

"The Seasiders always looked threatened by Reading when the Royals played balls in behind the backline but controlled proceedings generally well, shifting the ball about with purpose in the first half. Dominic Thompson looking assured and composed under pressure on his debut following his permanent arrival from Brentford."

Sounds unlike headless chicken. Just needs a decent coach perhaps?!
Yep.. I still think that there were signs in that first game that he lacked positional discipline… they just weren’t exposed in that first outing.

As I’ve said, a decent coach and a more experienced defence would help.

Our back line was being marshalled by Marv, who was pretty much chaperoned through last season by Keogh… We had a novice keeper in nets, who isn’t a talker and a head coach who thinks that choosing a formation and saying “go out there and express yourself” constitutes a game plan.

So there’s reason to think that Thompson could improve and even excel in the right environment.. yes.
 
Yep.. I still think that there were signs in that first game that he lacked positional discipline… they just weren’t exposed in that first outing.

As I’ve said, a decent coach and a more experienced defence would help.

Our back line was being marshalled by Marv, who was pretty much chaperoned through last season by Keogh… We had a novice keeper in nets, who isn’t a talker and a head coach who thinks that choosing a formation and saying “go out there and express yourself” constitutes a game plan.

So there’s reason to think that Thompson could improve and even excel in the right environment.. yes.
I watched the full replay of the game and iirc I thought he wasn't as good as my lad made out but I liked his energy. He looked raw but a good prospect. As the weeks went by our whole defence became ragged and red cards happened to everybody and Thompson went backwards not forwards. Critchley wanted him apparently and would likely have got him organised, within a disciplined and stable team set up. Maybe MM will do it.
 
I watched the full replay of the game and iirc I thought he wasn't as good as my lad made out but I liked his energy. He looked raw but a good prospect. As the weeks went by our whole defence became ragged and red cards happened to everybody and Thompson went backwards not forwards. Critchley wanted him apparently and would likely have got him organised, within a disciplined and stable team set up.
Agree re Critchley… and “Raw” is a fair description 👍
 
it was a very positive performance though I think, plenty to work with. Athletic and determined and won tackles and got forward.
It was a slight relief for me when I checked his age out afterwards. He looks quite a bit older than he is, but I’d be being dishonest if I was to say I was anything other than negative about him really ( which isn’t actually like me)…. I just wanted to see Husband back asap.

I’d obviously like to see how he performs in a more organised side and I don’t want to sound like I’ve written him off, because he’s young and that would be ridiculous, but I think he’s just been poor.

If McCarthy fails to get anything out of him, I’d be offloading him in the Summer tbh.

Sorry 😣
 
It was a slight relief for me when I checked his age out afterwards. He looks quite a bit older than he is, but I’d be being dishonest if I was to say I was anything other than negative about him really ( which isn’t actually like me)…. I just wanted to see Husband back asap.

I’d obviously like to see how he performs in a more organised side and I don’t want to sound like I’ve written him off, because he’s young and that would be ridiculous, but I think he’s just been poor.

If McCarthy fails to get anything out of him, I’d be offloading him in the Summer tbh.

Sorry 😣
A whole range of players have looked poor this season, including players who previously looked good. Needs a chance under the tutelage of a decent coach/ man manager.
 
A lot of talk about systems and players fitting those formations and we have n't played a Championship game yet!

M'Boro away is probably the toughest fixture you could get at this moment in time. Therefore, I don't think anyone would argue that we set up in a more defensive way, I don't think that is negative just realistic.

If we are to stay up we have to become more resilient and difficult to score against. Get that in place then we have match winners in Bowler, Yates, Poveda and Rogers.

Our fate won't be decided on M'Boro away it will depend a lot on our home games against the likes of Huddersfield, Rotheram, Stoke, Cardiff and Wigan
 
A lot of talk about systems and players fitting those formations and we have n't played a Championship game yet!

M'Boro away is probably the toughest fixture you could get at this moment in time. Therefore, I don't think anyone would argue that we set up in a more defensive way, I don't think that is negative just realistic.

If we are to stay up we have to become more resilient and difficult to score against. Get that in place then we have match winners in Bowler, Yates, Poveda and Rogers.

Our fate won't be decided on M'Boro away it will depend a lot on our home games against the likes of Huddersfield, Rotheram, Stoke, Cardiff and Wigan
Sorry to be contrary 😂, but I think our fate will, very much, be decided on games like Boro away. It’s those 1 pointers or unexpected wins that build the foundations, relying on being on the right side of all your 6 pointers is a risky business.
 
A lot of talk about systems and players fitting those formations and we have n't played a Championship game yet!

M'Boro away is probably the toughest fixture you could get at this moment in time. Therefore, I don't think anyone would argue that we set up in a more defensive way, I don't think that is negative just realistic.

If we are to stay up we have to become more resilient and difficult to score against. Get that in place then we have match winners in Bowler, Yates, Poveda and Rogers.

Our fate won't be decided on M'Boro away it will depend a lot on our home games against the likes of Huddersfield, Rotheram, Stoke, Cardiff and Wigan
The last manager got sacked after losing to 4th place Watford didn't he?
 
Doesn't suit the agenda eh?
We had probably already made the decision prior to Watford, don’t you think ?

Maybe the Forest result gave him a stay of execution?

That said, Watford was the final straw for me personally… I’d seen enough and I’m glad they called time in him.

Like you, I was hanging in there in the hope that the new players might tip the balance and concerned that we’d finally gone all in on AppleBall, only to change the coach, but we were flogging a dead horse Phil.

We’d have pulled a few wins out of the bag I’m sure, but under him we’d never have delivered the consistency required to pull ourselves out of the shit.
 
No Points 5 to 10 are definitely not wind ups, they are purely my reflections on some of the good things I think Appleton contributed and achieved during his 7 months at Blackpool. This is hopefully an upgrade on this thread after the many other disparaging comments about Appleton being crap or sh*t with very little back up information provided apart from not liking his persona or management style. Appleton was sacked because of poor results on the field, there were mitigating factors, but for me the timing of his dismissal was all wrong. Why allow Appleton to bring players in during the Jan transfer window and then not give him a run of games to integrate them into the team and improve our results.
I mean fair enough if that's your genuine opinion, you're entitled to it.

It's not just me though that thinks it's miles wide of the mark.

Point 5 - Got Bowler back on track as a special Blackpool player after he was not being selected by Critch for the last few games of the previous season. Bowler was sold for £4M.

Bowler's sale was due completely to his performances last season, 45 games in all comps - 7 goals and the intangibles i.e taking people on setting the crowd on fire etc. His 5 or 6 games at the start of this season were not the reason he got sold for multiple millions. Praise also has to go to the guys that brought him in for exactly nowt - now they're much maligned.

Point 6 - Got Jerry Yates scoring regularly in the Championship and his valuation soared to £5M in Oct/Nov.

Jerry is a fan favourite, if we get a few million quid for him in the summer, in reality we need to take it and move on. His peaks are great and take me back to some of my all time cult Blackpool heroes. But his troughs are equally low - Prior to Appleton's firing he'd gone on a ten game goal scoring drought, what if that had carried on to the end of the season because of Appleton, we'd realistically be lucky to get £500k. Before a bit of a purple patch in October again had a 7 game scoring drought. All this was under Appleton - if you're gonna praise him you have to dish out the criticism in equal measure if it applies.

Point 7 - Noticeable improvements in the consistency and contributions of Connolly, Thorniley, CJ and Madine.

This is just your opinion, CJ hasn't looked like a Championship player the whole time he's been with us, Madine!? really? Connolly and Thorneiley looked equally solid under Critchley.

Point 8 -His excellent coaching and player development skills recognised by Arsenal, Man City Wolves and Leeds Utd when they allowed Patino, Fiorini, Rogers, Theo and Poveda to come on loan to Blackpool.

Again, no idea what tangibles you're basing 'excellent coaching' on. We've had loans from Premier League clubs for decades by the same logic Grayson was a an excellent coach because Leicester sent KDH and Wolves Ronan. He really wasn't and those deals as well as the loans this year have mostly stemmed from the upstairs management - although Appleton will have had some input. (People will point to Rogers - but we were in for him last year as well according to reports under Critchley and would have likely gone for him with or without MA)

The easiest counter to this point is clearly the regression several of our contracted players suffered during his tenure. Marvin, a shadow of himself, Grimshaw dropped for not a lot, Thompson came in with rave reviews from Brentford fans and actually played very well in his first couple of games, as Appleton's coaching and development took hold, he became an absolute clown, to the point where it was like starting with 10 men every game. You can also make this case for Carey and Dougall, but they were also struggling under the latter part of Critchley's tenure - still he didn't improve them.


Point 9 - Both Bowler and Rogers, who have previously had experience of Appleton as a Manager and a Coach, were delighted to come to Blackpool in the Jan transfer window. Squad harmony and Not losing the dressing room — Appleton seemed to have had a very good working relationships with all of the Blackpool players, staff and Board. There were no dramas or fall outs.

Sorry this one is truly nonsense. Bowler was rotting in Greece, we were literally the only club he could play for until the end of the season, zero attributable credit to Appleton. Like I said with Rogers above, it might have had a bit of Appleton in it but we've been rumoured to have been after him long before MA arrived. The rest of it is just wishful thinking none of us know what happened behind the scenes. I have my doubts the players were really on board with most of his reign, the extended injury lengths I always found suspicious but its just my conspiracy theory (Plus there were the usual rumours of Madine, Yates ,Grimshaw, Poveda falling out with him)

Point 10 - Totally committed to the job and worked very hard to turn the results around, including coming into work when his child was ill and in hospital.

In a way I agree but, isn't that the basic requirement when you sign a contract of employment? Why are we holding that up as a major achievement, I suspect it's because he had no actual achievements. I'll add having attended Watford away, I was convinced that day, as were many others, he had downed tools and knew he was shortly out of the door. Not exactly working hard to turn results around.

Ultimately, he was a strange appointment, largely driven by circumstances that the club found it's self in. He was never talented enough to manage us at this level and likely never will manage anyone at this level again - which tells you everything. He achieved nothing with us because of this lack of talent and yes, there were several hindering factors but no one will ever find a perfect job with no obstacles, that's why they're so well remunerated.
For all the hinderances and mitigations, the wide consensus is, his ability did not match his position, which meant he needed to be removed from that position in short order. Thankfully he was.
I mention consensus because, generally the people that know the most about a club are its supporters - we live it everyday, they smelt a subpar manager at the outset, generally tried to get behind him, but we all knew what ever the excuses were, if it smells, acts and sounds like a manager out of his depth, that's because it is a manger out of his depth.
 
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What I’ve seen and I live behind the training ground is that mick and o Conner seem to train the lads a lot harder and better than applehead did I have full confidence in staying up. I can’t make the Huddersfield game but can’t wait for the Rotherham game is that why we haven’t given them more tickets because Sadler thinks the home fans will sell the east out aswell.
 
I mean fair enough if that's your genuine opinion, you're entitled to it.

It's not just me though that thinks it's miles wide of the mark.

Point 5 - Got Bowler back on track as a special Blackpool player after he was not being selected by Critch for the last few games of the previous season. Bowler was sold for £4M.

Bowler's sale was due completely to his performances last season, 45 games in all comps - 7 goals and the intangibles i.e taking people on setting the crowd on fire etc. His 5 or 6 games at the start of this season were not the reason he got sold for multiple millions. Praise also has to go to the guys that brought him in for exactly nowt - now they're much maligned.

Point 6 - Got Jerry Yates scoring regularly in the Championship and his valuation soared to £5M in Oct/Nov.

Jerry is a fan favourite, if we get a few million quid for him in the summer, in reality we need to take it and move on. His peaks are great and take me back to some of my all time cult Blackpool heroes. But his troughs are equally low - Prior to Appleton's firing he'd gone on a ten game goal scoring drought, what if that had carried on to the end of the season because of Appleton, we'd realistically be lucky to get £500k. Before a bit of a purple patch in October again had a 7 game scoring drought. All this was under Appleton - if you're gonna praise him you have to dish out the criticism in equal measure if it applies.

Point 7 - Noticeable improvements in the consistency and contributions of Connolly, Thorniley, CJ and Madine.

This is just your opinion, CJ hasn't looked like a Championship player the whole time he's been with us, Madine!? really? Connolly and Thorneiley looked equally solid under Critchley.

Point 8 -His excellent coaching and player development skills recognised by Arsenal, Man City Wolves and Leeds Utd when they allowed Patino, Fiorini, Rogers, Theo and Poveda to come on loan to Blackpool.

Again, no idea what tangibles you're basing 'excellent coaching' on. We've had loans from Premier League clubs for decades by the same logic Grayson was a an excellent coach because Leicester sent KDH and Wolves Ronan. He really wasn't and those deals as well as the loans this year have mostly stemmed from the upstairs management - although Appleton will have had some input. (People will point to Rogers - but we were in for him last year as well according to reports under Critchley and would have likely gone for him with or without MA)

The easiest counter to this point is clearly the regression several of our contracted players suffered during his tenure. Marvin, a shadow of himself, Grimshaw dropped for not a lot, Thompson came in with rave reviews from Brentford fans and actually played very well in his first couple of games, as Appleton's coaching and development took hold, he became an absolute clown, to the point where it was like starting with 10 men every game. You can also make this case for Carey and Dougall, but they were also struggling under the latter part of Critchley's tenure - still he didn't improve them.


Point 9 - Both Bowler and Rogers, who have previously had experience of Appleton as a Manager and a Coach, were delighted to come to Blackpool in the Jan transfer window. Squad harmony and Not losing the dressing room — Appleton seemed to have had a very good working relationships with all of the Blackpool players, staff and Board. There were no dramas or fall outs.

Sorry this one is truly nonsense. Bowler was rotting in Greece, we were literally the only club he could play for until the end of the season, zero attributable credit to Appleton. Like I said with Rogers above, it might have had a bit of Appleton in it but we've been rumoured to have been after him long before MA arrived. The rest of it is just wishful thinking none of us know what happened behind the scenes. I have my doubts the players were really on board with most of his reign, the extended injury lengths I always found suspicious but its just my conspiracy theory (Plus there were the usual rumours of Madine, Yates ,Grimshaw, Poveda falling out with him)

Point 10 - Totally committed to the job and worked very hard to turn the results around, including coming into work when his child was ill and in hospital.

In a way I agree but, isn't that the basic requirement when you sign a contract of employment? Why are we holding that up as a major achievement, I suspect it's because he had no actual achievements. I'll add having attended Watford away, I was convinced that day, as were many others, he had downed tools and knew he was shortly out of the door. Not exactly working hard to turn results around.

Ultimately, he was a strange appointment, largely driven by circumstances that the club found it's self in. He was never talented enough to manage us at this level and likely never will manage anyone at this level again - which tells you everything. He achieved nothing with us because of this lack of talent and yes, there were several hindering factors but no one will ever find a perfect job with no obstacles, that's why they're so well remunerated.
For all the hinderances and mitigations, the wide consensus is, his ability did not match his position, which meant he needed to be removed from that position in short order. Thankfully he was.
I mention consensus because, generally the people that know the most about a club are its supporters - we live it everyday, they smelt a subpar manager at the outset, generally tried to get behind him, but we all knew what ever the excuses were, if it smells, acts and sounds like a manager out of his depth, that's because it is a manger out of his depth.
I respect your views and opinions. I don‘t agree with them all but I’m not surprised by any of your comments. I still say that Appleton wasn’t all bad and I was just trying to provide some balance into the discussion. Like some of the other regular contributors on here it Is black and white and you find it impossible to give Appleton credit for anything whilst he was at Blackpool. Let me say again, I didn’t think Appleton was a good appointment to replace Critch and based on recent results I can fully understand why he was sacked, my main issue was timing, which was in the middle of a transfer window and just one week after a great win against Forest. I think Blackpool were already into the recruitment process of replacing Appleton before the Watford game and Appleton may have been aware of this from the many contacts he has in the game, which may explain his demeanour at Watford. In fact I would go as far to say that Appleton would have been sacked even if we had won at Watford and performed very well.
I do think the weight of the captaincy affected Ekpiteta’s performances and since Appleton gave the captaincy to Madine both of these players recent performances have improved. I probably need to add this to Appleton’s Top 10 list of achievements.
Appleton before he joined Blackpool was a well respected Manager at Lincoln & Oxford and Coach at WBA & Leicester. He has great references and can count on support from Alex Ferguson, Roy Hodgson, Craig Shakespeare and Dan Ashworth. He has strong connections with lots of Clubs including many Premier League clubs and a good reputation for developing young talented players which is why we have seen the likes of Patino, Fiorini, Rogers, Poveda, Williams and Theo coming on loan from Premier League Clubs this season. Appleton likes to play an attacking style of football using the whole width of the pitch and focussing on individual skill and moving the ball quickly. We perhaps didn’t get to see the best of Appleton as he never had the opportunity to play his strongest team and integrate the 4 very good players who had joined in the Jan window into his starting X1. I am sure Appleton will soon get another job in football.
 
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