Fracking ban lifted

There used to be acres and acres of greenhouses around Blackpool growing tomatoes so I don't see a problem with your polytunnel proposal.
As for the wildlife and hedgerow stuff, cannot these ideas complement the growth in output levels?
Farmers and nature can and do work very well together, complementing and responding to each other’s seasonal needs... short sighted consumer/vote driven politics, combined with well intentioned but poorly thought out environment protection policies have led to a very vulnerable UK food security position.
 
It's absolutely bizarre isn't it. Have you seen this news about also lifting bans on importing fur, foie gras and live animal exports? It's like she's playing Prime Minister on hard mode, trying to find the policies that are not only the most pointless, but also the most unpopular. I can't think of anything the public will hate more. I mean, I'm big on animal welfare and even I cringe a bit at how often Brits seem to care more and show more support for animals than their fellow human beings. It's like the fox hunting policy from the 2017 election which was part of May's disastrous campaign. It's an absolute gift for Labour all this.
It feels like policy decision making that's been made over a few too many glasses of Port in some kind of Spivvy Gentlemans Club.
 
Have you got a link to this threat of radioactive waste, because you've mentioned it a couple of times and it's the first I've heard of it.
This article mentions the well head deformation;

This refers to the fracking chemicals:
 
She says she’s happy to be unpopular, I doubt many of her MPs in red wall seats will be happy
Such a bizarre and naive statement for her to have made! She is already unpopular along with the majority of her inept cabinet. As the opinion polls will increasingly show that the Nasty Party have no chance of winning the next GE, she will be out on her ear just like her lying bumbling predecessor.
She says she’s happy to be unpopular, I doubt many of her MPs in red wall seats will be happy
 
With their mortgages rising due to interest rate rises, and now fracking which will devalue their houses, residents in Lytham St. Annes will be rightly worried.
 
I would rather they opened up coal mines and got rid of smokeless zones. I have a shed full of firelighters I bought from Spar in 1995 that need using up.

Why is everybody happy for us to mine coal, but is terrified of earthquakes caused by fracking?
 
Chris Cornelius - founder of Cuadrilla today states that fracking will never go ahead in the UK as the geology is far too complex. He summises nobody will invest in trying. Sorry to all you fracking fans.


The other side of the story: https://order-order.com/2022/09/22/fake-news-and-fantasies-of-anti-frackers/

Chris Cornelius may or may not be right in his various assessments, though they are all out of his area of expertise............... Cornelius’ one area of expertise is undermined by Francis Egan, current CEO of Cuadrilla, who wrote to the Guardian rebutting his geological assertions:

Mr Cornelius left Cuadrilla more than a decade ago and has not been involved in the coring, fracking or flow testing of recent wells by Cuadrilla and other industry players, and does not have the most recently available data. His knowledge base is more than a little dated and we completely disagree with the conclusions he consequently draws.

The Guardian declined to publish the letter…
 
We talk about earthquakes as if they’re disastrous. Fracking may cause slight tremors. Not worried at all.

Ideally we wouldn’t frack for a variety of reasons. But it’s an avenue to explore to help give us fuel security for the next few decades perhaps.

We wouldn’t be revisiting this if it weren’t for the current crisis. But needs must. We can moan about missed opportunities from past or current governments but that’s not gonna solve anything.

If we want fuel security, lower inflation, lower cost of living, warm homes and energy for businesses then we should revisit fracking whilst managing any risks. I’m for it.
 
The other side of the story: https://order-order.com/2022/09/22/fake-news-and-fantasies-of-anti-frackers/

Chris Cornelius may or may not be right in his various assessments, though they are all out of his area of expertise............... Cornelius’ one area of expertise is undermined by Francis Egan, current CEO of Cuadrilla, who wrote to the Guardian rebutting his geological assertions:

Mr Cornelius left Cuadrilla more than a decade ago and has not been involved in the coring, fracking or flow testing of recent wells by Cuadrilla and other industry players, and does not have the most recently available data. His knowledge base is more than a little dated and we completely disagree with the conclusions he consequently draws.

The Guardian declined to publish the letter…
Put it this way, the geology hasn't got any simpler.
 
If serious about this then it should be a national industry. Creating jobs and opportunities for the UK.Along with cheap consumer bills and profits put back into other new energy markets.
 
Will the gas under the Fylde benefit the people of the Fylde in any way?
 
Interesting article on anti-gas propaganda: https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/december-2019/the-plot-against-fracking/

and for another source: https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ing-with-environmentalists-to-oppose-fracking

The head of one of the world’s leading groups of democratic nations has accused Russia of undermining projects using hydraulic fracturing technology in Europe.

Anders Fogh Rasmussen, secretary-general of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (Nato), and former premier of Denmark, told the Chatham House thinktank in London on Thursday that Vladimir Putin’s government was behind attempts to discredit fracking, according to reports.
Last is somewhat discredited and 8 year old article.
 
Techniques may have improved, I've no idea, the key thing is that the Guardian's source is 10 years out of date, and the current holder of the post directly contradicts his claims.
What kind of techniques are you referring to? If you mean geological/geophysical mapping techniques, then improvements generally increase resolution. Hence, they show more complexity, especially in heavily faulted areas, rather than make everything look like a child's drawing.
 
I hope she is the new Margaret Thatcher as this will stop the TU's trying to run the country.
Yes the pesky trade unions that were set up by those smelly pleb workers. Who do they think they are securing better working conditions, holidays and pay. I'd prefer a mixture of royalty, big business, energy companies, oligarchs and the super rich to run my country.
 
Yes the pesky trade unions that were set up by those smelly pleb workers. Who do they think they are securing better working conditions, holidays and pay. I'd prefer a mixture of royalty, big business, energy companies, oligarchs and the super rich to run my country.
And luckily, that's what we've got. Going well too.
 
It's the Guardian, and for once the source is impeccable, so in what sense is it "somewhat discredited"?
The fact is that it's an old reference to an old comment from an individual who failed to provide any supporting evidence to justify the claim. This has been rehashed by Rees Mogg as a way of trying to sure up support for this ridiculous policy change and more importantly what is increasingly looking like 1) A broken manifesto promise and b) A broken leadership promise by Liz Truss.

As Mark Menzies retorted to 'Mogg' ... "There's nothing Luddite about the people of Lancashire or Fylde!”

Respect our communities and the will of local people and local democracy!
 
The fact is that it's an old reference to an old comment from an individual who failed to provide any supporting evidence to justify the claim. This has been rehashed by Rees Mogg as a way of trying to sure up support for this ridiculous policy change and more importantly what is increasingly looking like 1) A broken manifesto promise and b) A broken leadership promise by Liz Truss.

As Mark Menzies retorted to 'Mogg' ... "There's nothing Luddite about the people of Lancashire or Fylde!”

Respect our communities and the will of local people and local democracy!
All based on one anonymous source saying so. Wonder what the poster would think if somebody posted a source based on the same flimsy evidence to support an argument he disagrees with.

Truly never seen anything more desperate than 'being anti-fracking is Russian propaganda'.
 
Yes the pesky trade unions that were set up by those smelly pleb workers. Who do they think they are securing better working conditions, holidays and pay. I'd prefer a mixture of royalty, big business, energy companies, oligarchs and the super rich to run my country.
You unfortunately forgot to put "and to cause as much disruption to peoples daily lives as possible"
 
Interesting article on anti-gas propaganda: https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/december-2019/the-plot-against-fracking/

and for another source: https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ing-with-environmentalists-to-oppose-fracking

The head of one of the world’s leading groups of democratic nations has accused Russia of undermining projects using hydraulic fracturing technology in Europe.

Anders Fogh Rasmussen, secretary-general of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (Nato), and former premier of Denmark, told the Chatham House thinktank in London on Thursday that Vladimir Putin’s government was behind attempts to discredit fracking, according to reports.
Can I just confirm for the record that I have a brain, look at the evidence and am against fracking. I have not been paid by Putin.

Is that dodgy article the source of Rees-Moggs' smear in Parliament the other day. That and calling us all Luddites (this from a guy without a computer 🤣)
 
It got overturned 12-18 months ago when fracking was banned.
That ban has now been lifted.
We can argue about it till the Cows come home but it won’t change the fact the fracking ban has been lifted.
So until the next time……….
The important point here is not the fracking decision itself. What the change in Kwarteng's position points to is an inability to trust his statements. He, like Truss and his other colleagues on the Tory front bench are prepared to swear that black is white in order to maintain their political advantage. They are not to be trusted. And before you say that all politicians are like that - no they are not. Many speak with conviction and are honourable. They just don't occupy senior Government positions at present.
 
She thought she would get an easier ride from the Patridgesque local presenters rather than national political journalists who would rip her to pieces.
She has been ripped to pieces on each interview. There is an argument that these local radio presenters are more ready to hold her to account than the national ones as they are dependent upon future access.
 
Maybe she should do a Starmer and say little except when making a speech at party conference time....
 
Well she certainly convinced me, All that's needed is a means of finding out what local people think. It's not as if there's anything on record about that from the past few years. Way to go, Liz!
 
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