Gareth Southgate to stay in post

glasshalffull said:
I am OK with this. Probably won’t win a trophy, but at least it hasn’t been an embarrassment so far.
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🙄. What’s the definition of insanity again?

In reality there’s no one to replace him. I hate the idea of a non Englishman managing us.

Howe or Potter won’t leave the PL at this juncture in their careers.

More of the same at the Euros then.
 
Thatseasider said:
🙄. What’s the definition of insanity again?

In reality there’s no one to replace him. I hate the idea of a non Englishman managing us.

Howe or Potter won’t leave the PL at this juncture in their careers.

More of the same at the Euros then.
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It's also the money PL managers are now on Southgate 5 million.
Potter 10 million.😲
 
I don't think the only measure of the England manager is how far we got in tournaments.
it's more important how we play.
89 minutes of 'game management' fitted around a Harry Kane penalty is not what most us want to see from an England team.
 
I thought he’d be staying. On paper he’s done ok. Although we should have kicked on in the Euro final. Against France it could have gone either way.
 
You can’t argue that the guy has done well, but this is the best group of England players in ages who could be amazing with really top manager.
 
For me that’s a good move. Use this 18 months behind the scenes to ensure that we secure the services of someone to build on the foundations already in place.
 
Lala said:
Right result.

Our progress since before Gareth should be how we measure his performance, and for me that’s a no brainer.
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He just needs know his best team and let them play freely. He’s done very well since his appointment, but I just fear he bottles it when things get tough or challenging. Stability is what’s needed, so the right decision all round!
 
I'm not his greatest fan, but we outplayed the reigning world champions (and potential double world champions) a few days ago and were unlucky to be knocked out. The point being that the players clearly respect him and are playing for him. He has done a good job, despite my thoughts that he's a bit too passive/negative with how we set up. We've won numerous knock-out games, reached a tournament final and world cup semi-final, and I like recently that he's shown more faith with players like Foden and Bellingham. We've still to beat one of the top sides in a knockout game which is our next big hurdle, but I do think that will come soon. I guess you could argue beating Germany 2-0 last year counts, but I really don't think they're a top side right now.
 
No excuses but to win the euros.

An ageing Belgian squad, a poor German outfit, Ronaldo-less Portugal, Italy aren't as good as they were in 2020 most others average at best just France to beat really and we've proven we've got the ability to do that.

We'll never have a better chance irrespective of the management.
 
Not a problem with this. It feels like we are on the cusp of winning something. Of course, it's always the hope that fucks you over and this is England we're talking about, but yeah, Gareth has done alright.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
He's won more knockout games than every single other manager combined for the past 50 years, bit of an odd post.
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But on the flipside loses when it matters. Italy were average, France had three key players missing from the team. I'm OK with him staying as I don't see a viable replacement but he needs to show a tad more adventure.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Getting within a penalty shootout of winning it?

Better than any other fucker has done for 56 years.
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It’s ultimately a results business, you can’t argue with the uptick he’s created surrounding the National team. But Jesus, it was at such a low ebb through a succession of disasters I’m not sure I can hand out a load of praise for getting us back to normal.

It comes down to one question, do you think he’ll manager us to winning the next Euros. Because I don’t. And hand on heart I don’t think many others do.

Naturally you then should say, we’ll move him on for someone that can win it us, there’s the tragedy, there’s no one the FA could get that would.
 
Done some good work but he can't affect the important games. Not that anyone else has been able to either down the years. Time to move on gracefully.
 
Shandypants said:
I'd put him below Robson, Venables and Hoddle personally.
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You'd not have Robson up there until 1990, kept Barnes off until it was too late 86, 88 was a disaster and even in 1990 we beat an average Belgium with a last minute goal and scraped past Cameroon thanks to some creative Lineker diving.

Venables had one tournament, one good performance against the Dutch and that was it, Switzerland and Spain were awful performances, so was the first half against Scotland.

Hoddle had one tournament and managed to piss off half his squad before going out in his first knockout game.

Ridiculous to put those three ahead of Southgate on record alone, no logic to it at all, just rose tinted glasses.
 
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Hoddle was useless. As soon as he came in he forgot everything he'd ever experienced as a skilful player poorly used. Too busy god bothering to do his job properly too.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
You'd not have Robson up there until 1990, kept Barnes off until it was too late 86, 88 was a disaster and even in 1990 we beat an average Belgium with a last minute goal and scraped past Cameroon thanks to some creative Lineker diving.

Venables had one tournament, one good performance against the Dutch and that was it, Switzerland and Spain were awful performances, so was the first half against Scotland.

Hoddle had one tournament and managed to piss off half his squad before going out in his first knockout game.

Ridiculous to put those three ahead of Southgate on record alone, no logic to it at all.
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I'm not going off record particularly. I'm going off style of football (Venables and Hoddle were better). I was a big defender of Southgate but let's be honest, his style of play in the last WC and Euros was poor, had the easiest run of any England manager to get to the latter stages of tournaments so I don't think it's a ridiculous statement to put those ahead of him. What he does well is squad harmony and get the press on board, that should be a given for any England manager but it does show how bad previous appointments were.
 
Shandypants said:
I'm not going off record particularly. I'm going off style of football (Venables and Hoddle were better). I was a big defender of Southgate but let's be honest, his style of play in the last WC and Euros was poor, had the easiest run of any England manager to get to the latter stages of tournaments so I don't think it's a ridiculous statement to put those ahead of him. What he does well is squad harmony and get the press on board, that should be a given for any England manager but it does show how bad previous appointments were.
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He didn't have an easier run at all, our last two semis before Southgate were 1990 and 96, we beat Belgium after extra time, Cameroon and a pre success Spain side on penalties.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
You'd not have Robson up there until 1990, kept Barnes off until it was too late 86, 88 was a disaster and even in 1990 we beat an average Belgium with a last minute goal and scraped past Cameroon thanks to some creative Lineker diving.

Venables had one tournament, one good performance against the Dutch and that was it, Switzerland and Spain were awful performances, so was the first half against Scotland.

Hoddle had one tournament and managed to piss off half his squad before going out in his first knockout game.

Ridiculous to put those three ahead of Southgate on record alone, no logic to it at all, just rose tinted glasses.
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Not forgetting Bobby Robson failed to get us to Euro 84!
 
Let`s be honest we`ll never win anything with Southgate in charge .A nice man but a very average tactician and man manager. Anyone who can`t see that has not been paying attention.

Really good managers are few and far between but the best send their teams out with self belief positivity right tactics and confidence in the biggest matches and don`t take off their best player Saka against France for instance and replace him with manager`s favourite but a no hoper like Sterling when it matters most or sit back with an early lead against Italy and invite the opposition on to us ditto Croatia 4 years ago.

Ramsey instilled confidence in his team and confidently stated publicly that we would win the world cup before the tournament even began. Venables was another who gave his players the necessary self belief and was very unlucky in the semi against a very strong Germany ditto Robson in 1990.

When we play lesser teams we are sufficiently superior to win even with Southgate in charge but when it matters most against the top teams despite a high quality squad we underachieve every time.

What`s that saying often used in sport "nice guys come last." Maybe not literally but they are rarely winners unless they have a lot more to offer than just niceness.. Domestically the two that stand out since Ramsey are Clough and Ferguson both far stronger more abrasive personalities than Southgate but never thought of as nice men particularly.
 
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Lytham_fy8 said:
He didn't have an easier run at all, our last two semis before Southgate were 1990 and 96, we beat Belgium after extra time, Cameroon and a pre success Spain side on penalties.
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Are you saying we have beaten better sides in knock out football under Southgate than Belgium and Cameroon in 90 and Spain in 96? I'm struggling to think of one. Euro 20 we beat a terrible German team, Denmark and Ukraine. 2018 columbia and Sweden? All open to opinion I suppose.
 
Shandypants said:
Are you saying we have beaten better sides in knock out football under Southgate than Belgium and Cameroon in 90 and Spain in 96? I'm struggling to think of one. Euro 20 we beat a terrible German team, Denmark and Ukraine. 2018 columbia and Sweden? All open to opinion I suppose.
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But you said he had 'the easiest' route, the Belgian, Spanish and Cameroon teams were all worse then the German team we beat last year, saying anything else is just daft, let's not forget we also beat the same Croatian team who have just got to another WC semi final. Belgium didn't qualify for Euro 92 and the Spanish team didn't even get out of their group in 98.

It's complete nonsense to suggest they were harder routes. Venables and Hoddle didn't win a single knockout game in normal or extra time.

If Southgate had the tournament Robson did in 88 you'd be calling for his head on a spike.

Don't forget that in 1990 and 96 we probably had the best squads in the tournament as well, who was better?

The arguments against Southgate are complete and utter bollocks.
 
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"The arguments against Southgate are complete and utter bollocks."

That kind of comment tells you far more about the poster than anything else .
 
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Lytham_fy8 said:
But you said he had 'the easiest' route, the Belgian, Spanish and Cameroon teams were all worse then the German team we beat last year, saying anything else is just daft, let's not forget we also beat the same Croatian team who have just got to another WC semi final. Belgium didn't qualify for Euro 92 and the Spanish team didn't even get out of their group in 98.

It's complete nonsense to suggest they were harder routes. Venables and Hoddle didn't win a single knockout game in normal or extra time.

If Southgate had the tournament Robson did in 88 you'd be calling for his head on a spike.

Don't forget that in 1990 and 96 we probably had the best squads in the tournament as well, who was better?

The arguments against Southgate are complete and utter bollocks.
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The Belgium, Cameroon and Spanish teams worse than the Germans we best in euro 2020 laugh my ass off 🤣
 
An elite manager would have brought this World Cup or the last Euros trophy home.

The talent Southgate has and he still can’t win anything and no doubt it’ll be the same in the Euros’s next time around.

We will look back years down the line and wonder how such talent never won anything.

He’s had enough chances, time to go.

I don’t give a toss if the manager is English or not people not to stop living in the 1960’s with them views, whoever is available regardless of nationality should get the job when the FA finally realise Southgate isn’t up too the job or he finally resigns.
 
Happy to keep Southgate as long as he has some big electrodes on his head to try and bring out some personality.

He is Mr Beige. Mr Marks & Sparks. Mr Sunday lunch with the in-laws. Mr Wash the car and mow the lawn. Mr never go to bed after 10pm.

He just will not win anything.

We've invested massively in the England youth structure and have been hugely successful winning tournaments and bringing young English players through the ranks. We have world class youngsters. And then they step up to the pinnacle of that structure and are lead by utter mediocrity. Bland, stale old school manager surrounded by old pals that are also failed managers to coach, and then picks his favourites and does everything with maximum caution.

It's hugely frustrating but nothing will change. He's like a wet dream for the snoozy old bores at the FA.
 
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