Gary Bowyer

JJpool said:
Season tickets are sold before a ball is kicked, by then we can already create a positive narrative and have momentum.

Of course if anyone comes in and is successful, people will get behind it if and when it is.

I just don't see the need to make a random appointment and go back to someone who was here under bad times.

I doubt he wants to leave where he is after a promotion anyway.

If its Dobbie and at a good price to fill the stadium it'll be interesting to see what we can do. It'll be incredibly marketable and capture more pool fans than ever at this level.

We've never had all the positive things fall into place... I say fall I mean put into place.

It's about time the club started utilising the feelgood factor and we've actually got one despite being relegated, they just need to keep it going and add to it.
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Good post. I second that.
 
JJpool said:
Season tickets are sold before a ball is kicked, by then we can already create a positive narrative and have momentum.

Of course if anyone comes in and is successful, people will get behind it if and when it is.

I just don't see the need to make a random appointment and go back to someone who was here under bad times.

I doubt he wants to leave where he is after a promotion anyway.

If its Dobbie and at a good price to fill the stadium it'll be interesting to see what we can do. It'll be incredibly marketable and capture more pool fans than ever at this level.

We've never had all the positive things fall into place... I say fall I mean put into place.

It's about time the club started utilising the feelgood factor and we've actually got one despite being relegated, they just need to keep it going and add to it.
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I doubt Bowyer would lose sleep about leaving Dundee for us. He does not get on with the managing director, who is by all accounts a knob.

He’s on a rolling 1 year contract. He can walk.

He misses his family in Warrington.

Dundee have just 2 contracted players for next season. There is a big question about how they will be competitive in the SPL.

He got them promoted with just 1 permanent signing. That’s impressive.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
I doubt Bowyer would lose sleep about leaving Dundee for us. He does not get on with the managing director, who is by all accounts a knob.

He’s on a rolling 1 year contract. He can walk.

He misses his family in Warrington.

Dundee have just 2 contracted players for next season. There is a big question about how they will be competitive in the SPL.

He got them promoted with just 1 permanent signing. That’s impressive.
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Well, he's not top of my list and quite a few don't want to go back again to another previous manager.
 
AngelBFC said:
Would he have us playing the same type of football as Dobbie ?
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Same type of football? What type was it? We largely played teams who didn't give a fuck about a result. You guys are obsessed with Dobbie, and obviously have no heritage when it comes to supporting BFC. We're in League One now. About 40 years ago, we recruited Sir Alan Ball, an England legend and World Cup winner, as our manager and even HE failed.
Dobbie is an ex player with a coaching job with the kids. That's where it starts and ends.
Dobbie isn't the answer, and he's not even the question.
 
I can see Sadler getting along well with Bowyer, not so much with the other main candidates.
 
Bowyer isn't dull at all. Saw his Dundee team win 5-3 the other night.
When he was at Blackpool, he had the Oystons to work under, hence the reason he jacked it in.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
In all seriousness, while it wouldn't be the most exciting appointment, I'm sure we could do far worse.

Like everybody else, I don't know whether or not he'd be successful or not but that he has been our manager before won't make any difference.

The only thing that's the same now as when he was last here is the colour of the grass.
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When he, was last here we did not have, any grass, it was, sand and mud
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
In all seriousness, while it wouldn't be the most exciting appointment, I'm sure we could do far worse.

Like everybody else, I don't know whether or not he'd be successful or not but that he has been our manager before won't make any difference.

The only thing that's the same now as when he was last here is the colour of the grass.
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When he, was last here we did not have, any grass, it was, sand and mud, the nematodes, ate all the grass, Karl told me.
 
Gotta love the piss-flap fans on here.

Two managers touted for a return, Critchley and Bowyer, and they get dissed, even though they walked the walk.
But the second you mention an ex-player, Adam, Dobbie, Murphy, even Blinkhorn (did he ever start for us?), then it's a love in.
Fuck off.
 
FYForesight said:
Christ you're such a negative fucker. Sadler this and that, you're rife with denegrating him on this message board. Were you a mushroom who loved the Oystons? WTF is your problem?
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You clearly haven't read all my posts then, and it's true, he loves a dull manager, Grayson, Quitchley, MA & McCarthy, all dull as ditchwater.

And as for being a mushroom, you clearly don't know anything about me at as I was one of the first people to see the vermin for what they were, decades ago.
 
FYForesight said:
Gotta love the piss-flap fans on here.

Two managers touted for a return, Critchley and Bowyer, and they get dissed, even though they walked the walk.
But the second you mention an ex-player, Adam, Dobbie, Murphy, even Blinkhorn (did he ever start for us?), then it's a love in.
Fuck off.
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Yes he did start 👍👍
 
hertfordseasider said:
You clearly haven't read all my posts then, and it's true, he loves a dull manager, Grayson, Quitchley, MA & McCarthy, all dull as ditchwater.

And as for being a mushroom, you clearly don't know anything about me at a;;, I was one of the first people to see the vermin for what they were, decades ago.
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Dull in what way? They weren't walking the Golden Mile with a spliff?
The only manager in the last 20 years who's over-lived his personality was Holloway and he fucked off at the drop of a cocked hat.
They're employed to win football matches mate - if you want Michael Barrymore as manager then yes, it'll be a riot, but we'll get dicked every week. For someone who purports to have hate the O's, you come across as a massively ungrateful bastard to the new owner.
 
Marton Monorail said:
Evidence to the contrary??
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That answer says all about your point of view. You made the comment you fool and I asked if you had evidence. If you’ve seen nothing of his football then how can you make that comment. Unless you were a mushroom and don’t want to elaborate.

I’ve seen little, mainly the play-off games on TV when he was last with us, and some Dundee games this year, as they are my Scottish team. Not one of those games was boring.
 
Marton Monorail said:
I watched about 3. Games under his previous tenure because (unlike you it seems) I had moral fibre and boycotted, but the limited amount we did see was boring, structured, graysonesque football

Appoint Bowyer ahead of Dobbie.........said nobody ever
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You absolute knob, I was advocating NAPM long before it was a thing. Along with my lad we boycotted and I didn’t see any games under Bowyer or anyone, until the homecoming.

You think only going to 3 games in deepest NAPM days cleans your slate. Only one mushroom mate and it’s you.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
That answer says all about your point of view. You made the comment you fool and I asked if you had evidence. If you’ve seen nothing of his football then how can you make that comment. Unless you were a mushroom and don’t want to elaborate.

I’ve seen little, mainly the play-off games on TV when he was last with us, and some Dundee games this year, as they are my Scottish team. Not one of those games was boring.
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He took us away to Luton and we battered them. Nothing dull at all.
 
Marton Monorail said:
I watched about 3. Games under his previous tenure because (unlike you it seems) I had moral fibre and boycotted, but the limited amount we did see was boring, structured, graysonesque football

Appoint Bowyer ahead of Dobbie.........said nobody ever
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Appoint Dobbie ahead of a man who's got a track record of promotions said nobody ever. Get to bed you dickhead.
 
FYForesight said:
Dull in what way? They weren't walking the Golden Mile with a spliff?
The only manager in the last 20 years who's over-lived his personality was Holloway and he fucked off at the drop of a cocked hat.
They're employed to win football matches mate - if you want Michael Barrymore as manager then yes, it'll be a riot, but we'll get dicked every week. For someone who purports to have hate the O's, you come across as a massively ungrateful bastard to the new owner.
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As I said you haven't read my posts and know nothing about me. Holloway was ace and yet you deride him, why? Well, Grayson, MA & McCarthy were employed to win football games, dis a good job of that didn't they? We played great football under them didn't we? Quitch was a defensive manager too and I'm not going to apologise for wanting a manager who gets his team to play good football, that clearly isn't important to you and why have I got to be grateful to Sadler, he bought the football club, has done some of the stuff any new owner would have had to do which is great, but grateful? Do fuck off. I'm grateful to BST, all the supporters who were NAPM, those who faced legal action by the scum, VB I'm grateful to them, I am not grateful to Simon Sadler.

Your post is actually embarrassing and makes you look like a fuckwit.
 
FYForesight said:
Appoint Dobbie ahead of a man who's got a track record of promotions said nobody ever. Get to bed you dickhead.
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Not for me to call Mono a dickhead but in the event of no known outstanding candidates, I'm certainly warming to Bowyer - not that I would know if Bowyer was a candidate to be honest.
 
hertfordseasider said:
As I said you haven't read my posts and know nothing about me. Holloway was ac and yet you deride him, why? Well, Grayson, MA & McCarthy were employed to win football games, dis a good job of that didn't they? We played great football under them didn't we? Quitch was a defensive manager too and I'm not going to apologise for wanting a manager who gets his team to play good football, that clearly isn't important to you and why have I got to be grateful to Sadler, he bought the football club, has done some of the stuff any new owner would have had to do which is great, but grateful? Do fuck off. I'm grateful to BST, all the supporters who were NAPM, those who faced legal action by the scum, VB I'm grateful to them, I am not grateful to Simon Sadler.

Your post is actually embarrassing and makes you look like a fuckwit.
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Herts, I did respect your posts in days gone by, but it’s getting embarrassing now. We are where we are and I’m critical of the catalogue of mistakes that have been made. SS has to take responsibility there, but we have to move on and crucifying our owner on every issue is not the way forward. It’s boring.

Come on, let’s look forward, we all want the same thing. I’ll be delighted with Dobbie, but I’ll also support someone else.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
Herts, I did respect your posts in days gone by, but it’s getting embarrassing now. We are where we are and I’m critical of the catalogue of mistakes that have been made. SS has to take responsibility there, but we have to move on and crucifying our owner on every issue is not the way forward. It’s boring.

Come on, let’s look forward, we all want the same thing. I’ll be delighted with Dobbie, but I’ll also support someone else.
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I actually have no objection to Bowyer or similar as DoF but not manager, my preference is Wellens, because of his experience and the Dobbie, but I wouldn't go back to Quitchley and that Wild bloke seems a bit odd to me. I'm not interested in Charlie Adam, can't see that working at all.
 
hertfordseasider said:
As I said you haven't read my posts and know nothing about me. Holloway was ace and yet you deride him, why? Well, Grayson, MA & McCarthy were employed to win football games, dis a good job of that didn't they? We played great football under them didn't we? Quitch was a defensive manager too and I'm not going to apologise for wanting a manager who gets his team to play good football, that clearly isn't important to you and why have I got to be grateful to Sadler, he bought the football club, has done some of the stuff any new owner would have had to do which is great, but grateful? Do fuck off. I'm grateful to BST, all the supporters who were NAPM, those who faced legal action by the scum, VB I'm grateful to them, I am not grateful to Simon Sadler.

Your post is actually embarrassing and makes you look like a fuckwit.
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Wow - you feeling alright or is it a post-midlife crisis you're angry about?
So Critchley didn't play good football......Tell that to the Stadium of Light in Sunderland, tell that to Oxford etc etc. Where the fuck did Ellis Simms and Josh Bowler come from? Haha. Pathetic.
As for Sadler, before he came, we had a stadium full of pigeon shit, rusting canopies, broken toilets, no training facilities, no club shop merchandise, a quagmire peatbog playing surface and yet you're grateful to Valerie Belekon. You're the fuckwit, you make me sick.
Get some Viagra and have a wank and rediscover your cock, because at the moment it's rammed softly down your throat you utter thundercunt.
 
hertfordseasider said:
I actually have no objection to Bowyer or similar as DoF but not manager, my preference is Wellens, because of his experience and the Dobbie, but I wouldn't go back to Quitchley and that Wild bloke seems a bit odd to me. I'm not interested in Charlie Adam, can't see that working at all.
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I’m with you about NC and I can’t see anything that would make Wild a standout candidate. Was it 9th placed finish on minus goal difference. We missed the boat if we were ever going to take a Barrow manager.

Wellens, Bowyer and of course Dobbie. I’m sure there are others in the frame. Just feel we need to leave the past behind and the mistakes. We are a divided fanbase and top to bottom at the club we need to pull together.
 
FYForesight said:
Wow - you feeling alright or is it a post-midlife crisis you're angry about?
So Critchley didn't play good football......Tell that to the Stadium of Light in Sunderland, tell that to Oxford etc etc. Where the fuck did Ellis Simms and Josh Bowler come from? Haha. Pathetic.
As for Sadler, before he came, we had a stadium full of pigeon shit, rusting canopies, broken toilets, no training facilities, no club shop merchandise, a quagmire peatbog playing surface and yet you're grateful to Valerie Belekon. You're the fuckwit, you make me sick.
Get some Viagra and have a wank and rediscover your cock, because at the moment it's rammed softly down your throat you utter thundercunt.
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Quitchley had a good season and a half, but the football in the Championship was dull, but better than MA or McCarthy. I wouldn't want him back, he's failed in his 2 posts since he left us too.

Like I said, Sadler put right the things that any new owner would have to do because it was left in such a state.

Thank you for your compliments, have you considered anger management? 😂
 
Sadler and any remaining board would be mad to go back to a manager we've had before, especially from that time in our history, given the past managers we've gone back too already.

Maybe if they hadn't dug up some old dinosaurs in the past or gone for someone completely unpopular, people would have more faith.

The fanbase on the whole isn't up for another old name returning. Is it so difficult to pick someone new and have a fresh start?

I don't see too many other clubs keep going back to their old managers bar Peterborough.

Who am I kidding, welcome back Michael Appleton third time lucky 🥳
 
FYForesight said:
Same type of football? What type was it? We largely played teams who didn't give a fuck about a result. You guys are obsessed with Dobbie, and obviously have no heritage when it comes to supporting BFC. We're in League One now. About 40 years ago, we recruited Sir Alan Ball, an England legend and World Cup winner, as our manager and even HE failed.
Dobbie is an ex player with a coaching job with the kids. That's where it starts and ends.
Dobbie isn't the answer, and he's not even the question.
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I'd be Bowyer over Dobbie myself FY.

That's because I'd be happy to go with Bowyer's experience and proven record and nothing to do with Alan Ball.

Surely Alan Ball's failure more than 40 years ago has the square root of feck all to do with Dobbie's chances of success or failure today ?
 
hertfordseasider said:
Quitchley had a good season and a half, but the football in the Championship was dull, but better than MA or McCarthy. I wouldn't want him back, he's failed in his 2 posts since he left us too.

Like I said, Sadler put right the things that any new owner would have to do because it was left in such a state.

Thank you for your compliments, have you considered anger management? 😂
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I'm not angry, it's you who posts the vitriol about Sadler all the time. The football under NC in the Championship was dull according to you, so how was this season - any better? We didn't have money to compete and NC overachieved massively. Not sure being fired at Gerrard's No2 and having 12 games at basket-case QPR counts as failure either. Pretty sure if Jurgen Klopp had his back, then he's got something.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I'd be Bowyer over Dobbie myself FY.

That's because I'd be happy to go with Bowyer's experience and proven record and nothing to do with Alan Ball.

Surely Alan Ball's failure more than 40 years ago has the square root of feck all to do with Dobbie's chances of success or failure today ?
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It's a comparison, nothing more. Someone who won it, did it, but failed. Dobbie was in the building when MM was fired, that's his only credentials. Put it another way, if Dobbie was the answer, why didn't we appoint him after Appleton was sacked?
 
JJpool said:
Sadler and any remaining board would be mad to go back to a manager we've had before, especially from that time in our history, given the past managers we've gone back too already.

Maybe if they hadn't dug up some old dinosaurs in the past or gone for someone completely unpopular, people would have more faith.

The fanbase on the whole isn't up for another old name returning. Is it so difficult to pick someone new and have a fresh start?

I don't see too many other clubs keep going back to their old managers bar Peterborough.

Who am I kidding, welcome back Michael Appleton third time lucky 🥳
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I appreciate you were talking about managers who'd already been with us JJ, but I'm thinking too many on here are too quick to write off these old dinosaurs.

Yes, it didn't work out for us with Mick McCarthy, some might call that an under statement but at the same time we have Roy Hodgson guiding Palace out of trouble, Sir Neil Warnock keeping Huddersfield up and I think it's fair to say Tony Mowbray has done a good job regardless of what happens in the play-offs.

I know I've said it on here before but give me an experienced, old school manager over a spotty kid with a laptop who couldn't tackle a fish supper every day of the week and 3 times on a Sunday.
 
FYForesight said:
44 starts in 6 years. Like i said, reserve at best. This was the time when we had the EFL Trophy etc as a regular. 44 stars in 6 years proves my point. Get back in your box.
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Ooh. Get you. Can I just point out I wasn't making any comment other than a factual one.

Get back in your own box, gimp.
 
FYForesight said:
It's a comparison, nothing more. Someone who won it, did it, but failed. Dobbie was in the building when MM was fired, that's his only credentials. Put it another way, if Dobbie was the answer, why didn't we appoint him after Appleton was sacked?
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Why didn't we appoint Dobbie after Appleton ?

That's because we didn't have hindsight Foresight.

I can only speak for myself but I wouldn't have dreamed of suggesting Dobbie over Mick McCarthy after Appleton got the sack, as it turns out, Dobbie couldn't have done any worse but the decision had to be made when Appleton was sacked.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Why didn't we appoint Dobbie after Appleton ?

That's because we didn't have hindsight Foresight.

I can only speak for myself but I wouldn't have dreamed of suggesting Dobbie over Mick McCarthy after Appleton got the sack, as it turns out, Dobbie couldn't have done any worse but the decision had to be made when Appleton was sacked.
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Eh?
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I appreciate you were talking about managers who'd already been with us JJ, but I'm thinking too many on here are too quick to write off these old dinosaurs.

Yes, it didn't work out for us with Mick McCarthy, some might call that an under statement but at the same time we have Roy Hodgson guiding Palace out of trouble, Sir Neil Warnock keeping Huddersfield up and I think it's fair to say Tony Mowbray has done a good job regardless of what happens in the play-offs.

I know I've said it on here before but give me an experienced, old school manager over a spotty kid with a laptop who couldn't tackle a fish supper every day of the week and 3 times on a Sunday.
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Dinosaurs don't do very well in the modern game bar rescue jobs, even then it's hit and miss. Huddersfield were in the playoffs last season and clearly have some talent in the squad. But he has got them going.

There are some good older managers out there but we need a positive appointment and one that's received well after the shitshow of a season and frankly dreadful appointments prior.

You've painted a picture of 2 extremes there, a spotty kid with a laptop for manager? The closest we'd get to that would be someone inexperienced which is Dobbie, doesn't fit that bill and has proven he is no mug, got more out of the players than the experienced Mick did.

Dobbie or someone new if they've any sense.
 
JJpool said:
Dinosaurs don't do very well in the modern game bar rescue jobs, even then it's hit and miss. Huddersfield were in the playoffs last season and clearly have some talent in the squad. But he has got them going.

There are some good older managers out there but we need a positive appointment and one that's received well after the shitshow of a season and frankly dreadful appointments prior.

You've painted a picture of 2 extremes there, a spotty kid with a laptop for manager? The closest we'd get to that would be someone inexperienced which is Dobbie, doesn't fit that bill and has proven he is no mug, got more out of the players than the experienced Mick did.

Dobbie or someone new if they've any sense.
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Fair enough JJ, I may have been using journalistic license with my spotty kid comment but your doing much the same in suggesting Dobbie getting more out of players than McCarthy.

I certainly have nothing against Dobbie but I would prefer Bowyer than him but as I've already said, I don't know if Bowyer is a candidate.

At the start of the day, I'd have said that Bowyer was a very boring appointment but thinking about it more now, I'm certainly not saying that it would be an exciting appointment but we could do far worse and it doesn't appear that there are any outstanding accessible candidates.

I hear what you say though JJ, I'm not sure too many would consider Bowyer to be a positive appointment.
 
FYForesight said:
Eh?
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It's not that hard Foresight.

All I am saying is that Dobbie was not appointed after Appleton was sacked because those responsible for making the decision at that point in time, decided at that point time, that it was better to appoint McCarthy than Dobbie at that point in time.

We are now further down the line and although I'm not personally saying that Dobbie should be now be appointed, I can certainly see why he would be considered and I think it's fair to say that plenty supporters would be happy enough were he to be appointed.

I've already said I'd prefer Bowyer or somebody more experienced, I don't know exactly who all the candidates are but I don't have any big problem with Dobbie and would get behind him were he to be appointed.
 
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