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Good 4 minutes on the plight of the homeless in town and the immigrants staying in Metropole.
It's on You Tube but shite at links.
 
A deliberate baiting of the channel-crossing issue from a far-right 'news' channel. Don't listen to it. It's UKIP-type prejudice. The people off the small boats have to be housed whilst they're waiting to be processed. The Government has deliberately slowed the rate of processing by removing much needed resources. For me it's all about deliberately sowing the seeds of discrimination.
 
In other news there’s a cracking row brewing between Priti Patel and Suella Braverman.

Braverman is accusing Patel of not booking enough hotel rooms when she was Home Secretary while Patel claims that’s not true and is going to make an official complaint about the Home Office.
 
Homeless people on other countries are totally different to ours. The ones abroad have their whole world with them. Ones in Blackpool seem to have left their world in a house somewhere, seems to be different somehow , like their not actually homeless.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
A deliberate baiting of the channel-crossing issue from a far-right 'news' channel. Don't listen to it. It's UKIP-type prejudice. The people off the small boats have to be housed whilst they're waiting to be processed. The Government has deliberately slowed the rate of processing by removing much needed resources. For me it's all about deliberately sowing the seeds of discrimination.
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OK, why do they have to be housed?
 
1966_and_all_that said:
They are being accommodated, not housed as in a permanent residence.
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So they are on the streets after they are processed? You’ve got to see the problem with this surely. I’m not anti immigration or against asylum seekers coming to this country but they are coming to a country that’s housing is already at breaking point. We are doing the right thing by them at all costs even if it means people already here are on the streets.
 
King Billy said:
So they are on the streets after they are processed? You’ve got to see the problem with this surely. I’m not anti immigration or against asylum seekers coming to this country but they are coming to a country that’s housing is already at breaking point. We are doing the right thing by them at all costs even if it means people already here are on the streets.
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I don't understand your point.
 
King Billy said:
But why are they priority?
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They aren't a priority...They aren't being housed ahead of 'sketch' and his drinking buddies
Sketch could (at any time) pop down to the Salvation Army on Church St and be fed and housed within a very short time.
JCP/UC would have him on benefits and financial support within a week
The support network within Blackpool (Drugs, Drink & Mental Health) would be supporting him and helping him 'recover'
If he wanted employment, he could be at work (above the national minimum wage) without a problem.

You see 'Sketch' and his mates WANT to be on the streets.....The refugees in the Metropole (probably) just want a future.
They aren't taking housing, money or support away from anyone.....none of these services are at breaking point and unable to help.....
 
What a shame, the Metropole is a fantastic building with a great history (blackpool‘s oldest hotel), years of underinvestment has lead to it being in a poor state. Shame a decent hotel chain hasnt taken it on, Britannia Hotels are the pits, wouldn’t stay in one of their hotels if you paid me. Feel sorry for the punters that come to find it full of immigrants ‘waiting to be processed’
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
They aren't a priority...They aren't being housed ahead of 'sketch' and his drinking buddies
Sketch could (at any time) pop down to the Salvation Army on Church St and be fed and housed within a very short time.
JCP/UC would have him on benefits and financial support within a week
The support network within Blackpool (Drugs, Drink & Mental Health) would be supporting him and helping him 'recover'
If he wanted employment, he could be at work (above the national minimum wage) without a problem.

You see 'Sketch' and his mates WANT to be on the streets.....The refugees in the Metropole (probably) just want a future.
They aren't taking housing, money or support away from anyone.....none of these services are at breaking point and unable to help.....
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With respect, you’re way off. Although I would have held a similar view to this if I hadn’t spoken to quite a few people about it.
 
King Billy said:
With respect, you’re way off. Although I would have held a similar view to this if I hadn’t spoken to quite a few people about it.
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You see, this is an area that I work in....and my daily work is across support for both locals and those who have ended up in Blackpool
Government, charities and local agencies are massively active in the Blackpool area because it attracts and has a number of rough sleepers/transients who come here for a wide number of reasons.
The help is there.....loads of it, all signposted and delivered for anyone that wants it, needs it or requests it.....

I see the rough sleepers everyday travelling through Blackpool, as well as the que at The Salvation army and see the help that's provided on a daily basis and how good it is.
None of this is being diverted because of the migrants and 'Sketch' and his mates can access it and get off the streets......if they wanted to.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
In other news there’s a cracking row brewing between Priti Patel and Suella Braverman.

Braverman is accusing Patel of not booking enough hotel rooms when she was Home Secretary while Patel claims that’s not true and is going to make an official complaint about the Home Office.
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Reports are that the exchange was:
"You are even worse than me"
"No I an not"
"Yes you are"
"No I'm not! I made deals with Travelodge and banked £xxxxxxxxx"
 
This is an absolute disgrace and also why some on the left are considered a complete joke for not calling this out, you can’t dismiss whats going on here.

Yes there legal immigration, genuine refugees etc.

But the vast majority being housed now in hotels all around the UK are illegals who shouldn't be here.

They aren't fleeing a dangerous country, France ffs, probably 90% fighting age men, very few women, children or old people.

It's costing an absolute fortune, a lot of them crossing are Albanian who just go missing and end up in criminal activities, so the UK is becoming unsafer all the time.

The government needs to get a grip fast, weve become far too soft, this shouldn't be about left or right, any side should see this is an absolute farce and a disgrace.

To see ex army on the streets and these mostly economic migrants houses at great cost to the tax payers in often good hotels too is a joke.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592618534089420800
 
Unbelievable that some would rather attack the News Channel it's on than the actual problem.

Here's another GB new video you'll love not.

 
poolseasider said:
Unbelievable that some would rather attack the News Channel it's on than the actual problem.

Here's another GB new video you'll love not.

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Yep an absolute pisstake.

They need to get tough and fast, were already a country with issues, add the cost financially of those coming across and the cost to communities with crime etc.
 
Natural equilibrium in action. Rich countries won't voluntarily share their vast wealth so individuals from poor countries are taking the initiative themselves. You might be born in one of those countries yourself next time around and will want to do the same.

The fact that many UK businesses are saying we are in need of over a million workers since Brexit shut the door on EU labour, otherwise they won't be able to sow crops and we will need to import more food from abroad instead, shows there is a need to get these people processed and in to the system, paying tax and taking up those jobs that Brits have proven they just aren't prepared to do.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Natural equilibrium in action. Rich countries won't voluntarily share their vast wealth so individuals from poor countries are taking the initiative themselves. You might be born in one of those countries yourself next time around and will want to do the same.

The fact that many UK businesses are saying we are in need of over a million workers since Brexit shut the door on EU labour, otherwise they won't be able to sow crops and we will need to import more food from abroad instead, shows there is a need to get these people processed and in to the system, paying tax and taking up those jobs that Brits have proven they just aren't prepared to do.
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Next time?

Yes of course people from poor countries will want to come to rich countries.

But they can't all come, not even a fraction and work needs to go into improving the places they live.

Either way this country should look after it's own. It's upto the government to stop this, not blaming people for wanting to better themselves.

You can't just share everything, natural equilibrium or not there'd be chaos if everyone wanted everything other have.

If a load of people broke into a concert or football game and took seats away from paying customers, I doubt people would be happy or accept it. Ita upto those organisations to ensure that doesn't happen.

Its not even about being in a safe country or even having a good life.

Unless we're saying a good life cannot be had in the countries they pass through and keep passing through until they reach the UK.

The reason they target the UK is because we're a soft touch, they know they can't be deported and we give the most benefits etc that we don't even give our own people at times.

It’s a pisstake.
 
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JJpool said:
Next time?

Yes of course people from poor countries will want to come to rich countries.

But they can't all come, not even a fraction and work needs to go into improving the places they live.

Either way this country should look after it's own. It's up to the government to stop this, not blaming people for wanting to better themselves.

You can't just share everything, natural equilibrium or not there'd be chaos if everyone wanted everything other have.

If a load of people broke into a concert or football game and took seats away from paying customers, I doubt people would be happy or accept it. Ita upto those organisations to ensure that doesn't happen.

Its not even about being in a safe country or even having a good life.

Unless we're saying a good life cannot be had in the countries they pass through and keep passing through until they reach the UK.

The reason they target the UK is because we're a soft touch, they know they can't be deported and we give the most benefits etc that we don't even give our own people at times.

It’s a pisstake.
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"You can't just share everything". Well actually, you can, but it's more that you don't want to because the situation happens to benefit you. In fact, there are at least 2 systems other than capitalism which aim to do just that, communism and socialism but nobody seems to want to go down either of those options just yet.

If Western countries really wanted to help the situation, they would start by cancelling the perpetual, crippling Third World debt but they don't because humans are in the main selfish and that would weaken their own position. In comparison to the wealth divide between countries, having a few hundred thousand illegal entries per year is nothing.

Despite Right Wing propaganda trying to make a direct link between Immigration and "looking after your own", there really is no link whatsoever. If this country wanted to look after its own, it would, but it wouldn't, even if not a single immigrant ever arrived again. That's because it pursues a form of extreme capitalism where the rich get stinkingly richer over time and the number of people falling into poverty constantly increases. Eventually people won't stand for this uneven class system and will demand socialism.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
"You can't just share everything". Well actually, you can, but it's more that you don't want to because the situation happens to benefit you. In fact, there are at least 2 systems other than capitalism which aim to do just that, communism and socialism but nobody seems to want to go down either of those options just yet.

If Western countries really wanted to help the situation, they would start by cancelling the perpetual, crippling Third World debt but they don't because humans are in the main selfish and that would weaken their own position. In comparison to the wealth divide between countries, having a few hundred thousand illegal entries per year is nothing.

Despite Right Wing propaganda trying to make a direct link between Immigration and "looking after your own", there really is no link whatsoever. If this country wanted to look after its own, it would, but it wouldn't, even if not a single immigrant ever arrived again. That's because it pursues a form of extreme capitalism where the rich get stinkingly richer over time and the number of people falling into poverty constantly increases. Eventually people won't stand for this uneven class system and will demand socialism.
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Well it looks like you're going to get your wish fairly soon as Starmer is looking pretty much nailed on to form a 'socialist' government. It'll be interesting to see how you and all the other fake socialists on here view the UK then.
So as a 'socialist' do you practice what you preach and share out your own wealth?
 
Keeping all these 'immigrants' (they're not really immigrants) in hotels etc is costing the country £7Million a day.
Do we want them?
NO.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
Well it looks like you're going to get your wish fairly soon as Starmer is looking pretty much nailed on to form a 'socialist' government. It'll be interesting to see how you and all the other fake socialists on here view the UK then.
So as a 'socialist' do you practice what you preach and share out your own wealth?
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Does he fuck Champagne socialists talk a good game but live like capitalists.

Starmer and his comrades gave the game away with the Truss budget banging the drum about the markets taking a hit.
Socialists not a chance it'll be Blair mark ll because let's be honest between the Tory's and Labour there ain't a fag paper between the two rotten parties.
 
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BigHandsOliverKahn said:
"You can't just share everything". Well actually, you can, but it's more that you don't want to because the situation happens to benefit you. In fact, there are at least 2 systems other than capitalism which aim to do just that, communism and socialism but nobody seems to want to go down either of those options just yet.

If Western countries really wanted to help the situation, they would start by cancelling the perpetual, crippling Third World debt but they don't because humans are in the main selfish and that would weaken their own position. In comparison to the wealth divide between countries, having a few hundred thousand illegal entries per year is nothing.

Despite Right Wing propaganda trying to make a direct link between Immigration and "looking after your own", there really is no link whatsoever. If this country wanted to look after its own, it would, but it wouldn't, even if not a single immigrant ever arrived again. That's because it pursues a form of extreme capitalism where the rich get stinkingly richer over time and the number of people falling into poverty constantly increases. Eventually people won't stand for this uneven class system and will demand socialism.
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Wow, so we should just cast ourselves back to a 3rd world country and share everything...

We can't solve all the other countries issues, even at a big level to us the level of immigration doesn’t even scratch the surface of poor countries populations.

I suppose you will happily give all you've ever worked for up for someone with a better need then? Give it all to Africa maybe and go and live in a tent for the greater good? Na didn't think so.

I agree debts could be cancelled, even for our country as they are beyond what will ever be paid, the banking system is broken and far too much money is just 'created'.

Wanting to be tough on illegal immigration is nothing to do with right wing propaganda, most sensible people see this isn't right.

Of course we have empathy with those worse off than ourselves, people can contribute in ways to help people on less well off countries.

Of course there is a link between housing illegals and our homeless, not that its the people wanting a better lifes fault, but the link is look at how the country falls over itself to house, look after immigrants, often ones who came illegally, compared to how it treats it's homeless veterans. Shows the priorities doesn't it.

Housing people is hard enough yet there no link with struggling to house people when they are giving out houses to people who shouldn't be here? come on this is pretty simple.

Costing us billions of pounds to deal with them whilst genuine services are cut for people who have paid into th system their whole lives.

The system may not be fair, in an ideal world maybe it would be fair, bit it isn't, so therefore when we pay into things we don't expect people to break the rules and come here taking things for free.

Nor do we want illegals arriving and vanishing then adding to crime.

Really don't get how this is classed as right wing, it's pretty sensible stuff and if you go round asking people on the street, most would agree.

Also we can't keep taking unlimited people from 3rd world countries and not expect to become one ourselves in some form, you see it more and more.

People with massively different values and beliefs, you can see in the Asian grooming gangs its very much cultural, then we have this countries complete inability to deal with it and call it out, actually siding with the scumbags out of fear of seeming racist, an absolute disgrace.

We have rules for a reason, because we're a soft touch the illegals know they can just head out in a boat and be picked up by the RNLI taxi service and shipped here for a comfortable life, on us if necessary. Free health care, free house, soft on crime. No wonder they come over in such numbers, we need a deterrent.

Anyone who arrives illegally will not stay and find a way to enforce it, might stop the masses from coming.
 
poolseasider said:
Does he fuck Champagne socialists talk a good game but live like capitalists.

Starmer and his comrades gave the game away with the Truss budget banging the drum about the markets taking a hit.
Socialists not a chance it'll be Blair mark ll because let's be honest between the Tory's and Labour there ain't a fag paper between the two rotten parties.
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Exactly. Hence why I put socialist in inverted commas
 
JJpool said:
Wow, so we should just cast ourselves back to a 3rd world country and share everything...

We can't solve all the other countries issues, even at a big level to us the level of immigration doesn’t even scratch the surface of poor countries populations.

I suppose you will happily give all you've ever worked for up for someone with a better need then? Give it all to Africa maybe and go and live in a tent for the greater good? Na didn't think so.

I agree debts could be cancelled, even for our country as they are beyond what will ever be paid, the banking system is broken and far too much money is just 'created'.

Wanting to be tough on illegal immigration is nothing to do with right wing propaganda, most sensible people see this isn't right.

Of course we have empathy with those worse off than ourselves, people can contribute in ways to help people on less well off countries.

Of course there is a link between housing illegals and our homeless, not that its the people wanting a better lifes fault, but the link is look at how the country falls over itself to house, look after immigrants, often ones who came illegally, compared to how it treats it's homeless veterans. Shows the priorities doesn't it.

Housing people is hard enough yet there no link with struggling to house people when they are giving out houses to people who shouldn't be here? come on this is pretty simple.

Costing us billions of pounds to deal with them whilst genuine services are cut for people who have paid into th system their whole lives.

The system may not be fair, in an ideal world maybe it would be fair, bit it isn't, so therefore when we pay into things we don't expect people to break the rules and come here taking things for free.

Nor do we want illegals arriving and vanishing then adding to crime.

Really don't get how this is classed as right wing, it's pretty sensible stuff and if you go round asking people on the street, most would agree.

Also we can't keep taking unlimited people from 3rd world countries and not expect to become one ourselves in some form, you see it more and more.

People with massively different values and beliefs, you can see in the Asian grooming gangs its very much cultural, then we have this countries complete inability to deal with it and call it out, actually siding with the scumbags out of fear of seeming racist, an absolute disgrace.

We have rules for a reason, because we're a soft touch the illegals know they can just head out in a boat and be picked up by the RNLI taxi service and shipped here for a comfortable life, on us if necessary. Free health care, free house, soft on crime. No wonder they come over in such numbers, we need a deterrent.

Anyone who arrives illegally will not stay and find a way to enforce it, might stop the masses from coming.
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Plus how does taking ten of thousands fit young fertile men away from a country help them?

Albania is going have a labour shortage and population problems in the coming years if the exodus carries on at this rate.
 
JJpool said:
Wow, so we should just cast ourselves back to a 3rd world country and share everything...

We can't solve all the other countries issues, even at a big level to us the level of immigration doesn’t even scratch the surface of poor countries populations.

I suppose you will happily give all you've ever worked for up for someone with a better need then? Give it all to Africa maybe and go and live in a tent for the greater good? Na didn't think so.

I agree debts could be cancelled, even for our country as they are beyond what will ever be paid, the banking system is broken and far too much money is just 'created'.

Wanting to be tough on illegal immigration is nothing to do with right wing propaganda, most sensible people see this isn't right.

Of course we have empathy with those worse off than ourselves, people can contribute in ways to help people on less well off countries.

Of course there is a link between housing illegals and our homeless, not that its the people wanting a better lifes fault, but the link is look at how the country falls over itself to house, look after immigrants, often ones who came illegally, compared to how it treats it's homeless veterans. Shows the priorities doesn't it.

Housing people is hard enough yet there no link with struggling to house people when they are giving out houses to people who shouldn't be here? come on this is pretty simple.

Costing us billions of pounds to deal with them whilst genuine services are cut for people who have paid into th system their whole lives.

The system may not be fair, in an ideal world maybe it would be fair, bit it isn't, so therefore when we pay into things we don't expect people to break the rules and come here taking things for free.

Nor do we want illegals arriving and vanishing then adding to crime.

Really don't get how this is classed as right wing, it's pretty sensible stuff and if you go round asking people on the street, most would agree.

Also we can't keep taking unlimited people from 3rd world countries and not expect to become one ourselves in some form, you see it more and more.

People with massively different values and beliefs, you can see in the Asian grooming gangs its very much cultural, then we have this countries complete inability to deal with it and call it out, actually siding with the scumbags out of fear of seeming racist, an absolute disgrace.

We have rules for a reason, because we're a soft touch the illegals know they can just head out in a boat and be picked up by the RNLI taxi service and shipped here for a comfortable life, on us if necessary. Free health care, free house, soft on crime. No wonder they come over in such numbers, we need a deterrent.

Anyone who arrives illegally will not stay and find a way to enforce it, might stop the masses from coming.
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You shouldn't blame immigrants for the plight of ex servicemen in the UK. The Royal British Legion is sitting on cash reserves of £70,000,000!!
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
Well it looks like you're going to get your wish fairly soon as Starmer is looking pretty much nailed on to form a 'socialist' government. It'll be interesting to see how you and all the other fake socialists on here view the UK then.
So as a 'socialist' do you practice what you preach and share out your own wealth?
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Socialists love the idea of sharing wealth until it's their own wealth that needs to be shared.
 
gjr69 said:
You shouldn't blame immigrants for the plight of ex servicemen in the UK. The Royal British Legion is sitting on cash reserves of £70,000,000!!
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Who's outright blaming them? People will always try and better themselves and take advantage of a broken system, even of they should be here. It's upto the government to ship them.

It's about showing the government's priorities, but also when they are dealing with such unsustainable numbers, having to house them in hotels etc, there's definitely links between having to accommodate and look after so many illegal immigrants etc meaning less priority is able to be put onto other areas like homeless, less houses, less money etc.
 
JJpool said:
Who's outright blaming them? People will always try and better themselves and take advantage of a broken system, even of they should be here. It's upto the government to ship them.

It's about showing the government's priorities, but also when they are dealing with such unsustainable numbers, having to house them in hotels etc, there's definitely links between having to accommodate and look after so many illegal immigrants etc meaning less priority is able to be put onto other areas like homeless, less houses, less money etc.
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If we had no immigrants coming here either illegally or legally the Government still wouldn't take the necessary care of damaged ex servicemen, they never have done and they probably never will do.
 
gjr69 said:
If we had no immigrants coming here either illegally or legally the Government still wouldn't take the necessary care of damaged ex servicemen, they never have done and they probably never will do.
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But that's not the scenario so we'll never know, they wouldn't have an easy excuse or other things to be dealing with, costing money, taking limited houses etc.

The government should help ex veterans regardless, but its not a good look is it when they're sleeping rough and illegals are housed nice and warm at tax payers expense.
 
Referring to people seeking asylum as " illegals" is very unpleasant. There are very few legal means of coming here to seek asylum . Of course youll say theyre economic migrants. Go and meet some and find out their stories , but I doubt you can be bothered.
 
JJpool said:
But that's not the scenario so we'll never know, they wouldn't have an easy excuse or other things to be dealing with, costing money, taking limited houses etc.

The government should help ex veterans regardless, but its not a good look is it when they're sleeping rough and illegals are housed nice and warm at tax payers expense.
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Not a good post.
 
JJpool said:
Wow, so we should just cast ourselves back to a 3rd world country and share everything...

We can't solve all the other countries issues, even at a big level to us the level of immigration doesn’t even scratch the surface of poor countries populations.

I suppose you will happily give all you've ever worked for up for someone with a better need then? Give it all to Africa maybe and go and live in a tent for the greater good? Na didn't think so.

I agree debts could be cancelled, even for our country as they are beyond what will ever be paid, the banking system is broken and far too much money is just 'created'.

Wanting to be tough on illegal immigration is nothing to do with right wing propaganda, most sensible people see this isn't right.

Of course we have empathy with those worse off than ourselves, people can contribute in ways to help people on less well off countries.

Of course there is a link between housing illegals and our homeless, not that its the people wanting a better lifes fault, but the link is look at how the country falls over itself to house, look after immigrants, often ones who came illegally, compared to how it treats it's homeless veterans. Shows the priorities doesn't it.

Housing people is hard enough yet there no link with struggling to house people when they are giving out houses to people who shouldn't be here? come on this is pretty simple.

Costing us billions of pounds to deal with them whilst genuine services are cut for people who have paid into th system their whole lives.

The system may not be fair, in an ideal world maybe it would be fair, bit it isn't, so therefore when we pay into things we don't expect people to break the rules and come here taking things for free.

Nor do we want illegals arriving and vanishing then adding to crime.

Really don't get how this is classed as right wing, it's pretty sensible stuff and if you go round asking people on the street, most would agree.

Also we can't keep taking unlimited people from 3rd world countries and not expect to become one ourselves in some form, you see it more and more.

People with massively different values and beliefs, you can see in the Asian grooming gangs its very much cultural, then we have this countries complete inability to deal with it and call it out, actually siding with the scumbags out of fear of seeming racist, an absolute disgrace.

We have rules for a reason, because we're a soft touch the illegals know they can just head out in a boat and be picked up by the RNLI taxi service and shipped here for a comfortable life, on us if necessary. Free health care, free house, soft on crime. No wonder they come over in such numbers, we need a deterrent.

Anyone who arrives illegally will not stay and find a way to enforce it, might stop the masses from coming.
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You do have a lot of hate inside you.
 
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