Good job covid has gone

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straightatthewall

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And the country is back to normal.

Can’t get a doctors appointment for love nor money, the NHS is generally already past broken point, teachers are going down like flies. There’s thousands in hospital and airports are in chaos.

So is it dangerous or not? Still seems to me that those who are most at risk are either already at risk from anything or have refused vaccines and get worse symptoms than those that have been vaccinated. But I also know of people who aren’t vaccinated who have never caught it (despite being tested regularly).
 
My sister is on day 12 of a bad bout and she has been vaccinated, and I know of a few in a similar position and it’s their second time around.
It hasn’t gone, and without restrictions

now we are definitely in another spike.
Is it less dangerous ? Who knows.

I’m still in the 30% who’ve never had a positive test but think this adds more weight to the fact I probably had it Feb 2020 before we were testing, otherwise I’m a medical miracle, which I am not.

Time will tell where it’s heading but over 50’s are meant to be getting an autumn booster. Bring it on I say.
 
straightatthewall said:
Still seems to me that those who are most at risk are either already at risk from anything or have refused vaccines and get worse symptoms than those that have been vaccinated.
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The people who I've spoken to over the last few weeks have all been vaccinated and now caught Covid,it's complete nonsense they have less worse symptoms because they've had a jab it's because they are all under 65 my mate has had Covid twice despite having three shots in her arm.

Maybe the doctor who refused the jab and made national news speaking up against the health secatary in January was correct they only last for eight weeks Omicron less so they are a complete waste of time and that's why we have so many cases now.
 
That’s interesting. You saying the jan has made them worse?

Seems to me that we have a virus that is apparently ‘safe’ enough for normal life to be lived, but various sectors where the virus prevents normal life being lived...

In the case of a GP’s surgery or a hospital it’s hard to disagree. But then we have a health system that is under constant strain to the point that people are dying through other illnesses, failure to diagnose promptly or ambulances not turning up for 5 hours to trauma patients.
 
poolseasider said:
The people who I've spoken to over the last few weeks have all been vaccinated and now caught Covid,it's complete nonsense they have less worse symptoms because they've had a jab it's because they are all under 65 my mate has had Covid twice despite having three shots in her arm.

Maybe the doctor who refused the jab and made national news speaking up against the health secatary in January was correct they only last for eight weeks Omicron less so they are a complete waste of time and that's why we have so many cases now.
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We have cases but not remotely the same hospitalisations, which is the whole point of vaccination, this has been explained over and over and over again.

No one anywhere has ever said that the vaccination stops you getting the virus, that would be literally impossible and some next level sci fi shit.
 
straightatthewall said:
That’s interesting. You saying the jan has made them worse?

Seems to me that we have a virus that is apparently ‘safe’ enough for normal life to be lived, but various sectors where the virus prevents normal life being lived...

In the case of a GP’s surgery or a hospital it’s hard to disagree. But then we have a health system that is under constant strain to the point that people are dying through other illnesses, failure to diagnose promptly or ambulances not turning up for 5 hours to trauma patients.
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No I'm saying it doesn't make any difference if your jabbed or not the symptoms are the same and the reason their not ending up in hospital is their age and health.


Lytham_fy8 said:
We have cases but not remotely the same hospitalisations, which is the whole point of vaccination, this has been explained over and over and over again.

No one anywhere has ever said that the vaccination stops you getting the virus, that would be literally impossible.
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More to do with the weakness of Omicron?
 
poolseasider said:
No I'm saying it doesn't make any difference if your jabbed or not the symptoms are the same and the reason their not ending up in hospital is their age and health.



More to do with the weakness of Omicron?
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It works both ways, the weakness of the mutation is partly due to general protection.

The benefits of vaccination have been constantly and consistently proved beyond any doubt over many decades.
 
My wife and i have been ill loads of times since we had the vaccinations, were never ill. We wont be having another vaccination.
 
Scaramanga said:
My wife and i have been ill loads of times since we had the vaccinations, were never ill. We wont be having another vaccination.
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The wife was ill twice from both jabs,best friend has had a terrible last year from illness and only 2022 has felt better.

This isn't a vaccine how can you call it that when you still catch the disease and be able to pass it on hence the massive increase in cases now.
 
The latest BA5 variant is a bit more dangerous in that it seems to enter the lungs whereas the previous couple of variants seemed not to make it that far down the respiratory system.

Although hospitalisations are going up, this variant still isn't causing the same levels of mortality than the first variants in 2020. Whether that is due to Memory T-cells etc. nobody is quite sure because the variants and mutations are moving at a much faster pace than vaccines or testing can keep pace.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
The latest BA5 variant is a bit more dangerous in that it seems to enter the lungs whereas the previous couple of variants seemed not to make it that far down the respiratory system.

Although hospitalisations are going up, this variant still isn't causing the same levels of mortality. Whether that is due to Memory T-cells etc. nobody is sure because the variants and mutations are moving at a much faster pace than vaccines or testing can keep pace.
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Remember when natural immunity and T-Cells were both right wing conspiracy theories? That was wild 😄
 
rockontommy said:
Remember when natural immunity and T-Cells were both right wing conspiracy theories? That was wild 😄
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Natural immunity has always been known to be way better than any vaccine. Vaccines only target one or two aspects of a virus, natural immunity attacks them in hundreds of ways. What vaccines did was help to slow and limit the virus in the early days when humanity had no natural immunity.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Natural immunity has always been known to be way better than any vaccine. Vaccines only target one or two aspects of a virus, natural immunity attacks them in hundreds of ways. What vaccines did was help to slow and limit the virus in the early days when humanity had no natural immunity.
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Very good, have a biscuit. So those on the NHS front line who'd already caught 'it' (putting themselves in harm's way during earlier, nastier waves) really didn't need to be threatened with their jobs last year and in fact had better protection than your average pin cushion, no?
 
rockontommy said:
Very good, have a biscuit. So those on the NHS front line who'd already caught 'it' (putting themselves in harm's way during earlier, nastier waves) really didn't need to be threatened with their jobs last year and in fact had better protection than your average pin cushion, no?
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It was about trying to stop the spread to others they were caring for who were more vulnerable rather than the staff themselves.

Amazed that some people still can't think of others before themselves after all we have just been through.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
It was about trying to stop the spread to others they were caring for who were more vulnerable rather than the staff themselves.

Amazed that some people still can't think of others before themselves after all we have just been through.
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What I've been through is because of people like you, can't speak for anyone else or their experiences but I can't see how someone in your position can look around you and think 'ye, job well done'.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
It was about trying to stop the spread to others they were caring for who were more vulnerable rather than the staff themselves.

Amazed that some people still can't think of others before themselves after all we have just been through.
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It doesn't stop the spread if you've been jabbed.

A vaccine does this Covid jab doesn't shouldn't even be called a vaccine not when your 3/4 jabs down and still catching the virus.
 
poolseasider said:
It doesn't stop the spread if you've been jabbed.

A vaccine does this Covid jab doesn't shouldn't even be called a vaccine not when your 3/4 jabs down and still catching the virus.
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No, I won't believe it until Lost draws me a graph.
 
I'm into week three of Covid, reminds me of the flu. My wife and I caught it at the same time and whilst she is now fine I'm struggling to get better. All in all those three jabs I have had seem to have done their stuff as I'm still alive and kicking, just.
 
braymarina said:
I'm into week three of Covid, reminds me of the flu. My wife and I caught it at the same time and whilst she is now fine I'm struggling to get better. All in all those three jabs I have had seem to have done their stuff as I'm still alive and kicking, just.
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Honestly not sure if this is parody or not.
 
I'm not a scientist or a doctor so I am possibly wrong about this but when I am vaccinated against TB or polio I don't get it and I don't spread it.
When I am vaccinated against covid I can still get it and I can still spread it.
How is the covid one a vaccine? Is it not more like a flu jab which I have never and probably will never have.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
We have cases but not remotely the same hospitalisations, which is the whole point of vaccination, this has been explained over and over and over again.

No one anywhere has ever said that the vaccination stops you getting the virus, that would be literally impossible and some next level sci fi shit.
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Wasting your breath mate
 
gjr69 said:
I'm not a scientist or a doctor so I am possibly wrong about this but when I am vaccinated against TB or polio I don't get it and I don't spread it.
When I am vaccinated against covid I can still get it and I can still spread it.
How is the covid one a vaccine? Is it not more like a flu jab which I have never and probably will never have.
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They used the programme to put micro Chips in everyone so they can track us…..simply a Big Brother operation and fools fell for it
 
straightatthewall said:
In fairness RoT nobody has a clue what protection it provides or how vulnerable you are without it...
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We can make some reasonable inferences from the Alpha and pre-Alpha waves, and in terms of real world evidence for Omicron, we have Hong Kong:

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The evidence seems to be pretty consistently saying that vaccines offer 95% or thereabouts protection against death.
 
Scaramanga said:
My wife and i have been ill loads of times since we had the vaccinations, were never ill. We wont be having another vaccination.
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In all seriousness, I think you need to reconsider that.

If you're arguing that the current vaccines aren't effective enough, I don't have enough information to strongly disagree. However, I'm sure the virologists are working on new vaccines all the time, and who knows if they can't soon come up with the magic bullet?

What if a new variant developed, and the new vaccine could beat it?
 
Bloodtangerine said:
They used the programme to put micro Chips in everyone so they can track us…..simply a Big Brother operation and fools fell for it
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Seems like a waste of effort most people live a very quiet life!
I'll stick to taking a lemsip if I feel a bit rough.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Natural immunity has always been known to be way better than any vaccine. Vaccines only target one or two aspects of a virus, natural immunity attacks them in hundreds of ways. What vaccines did was help to slow and limit the virus in the early days when humanity had no natural immunity.
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I'm not sure that there's clear evidence that infection-acquired immunity is better than vaccine-acquired immunity, however the more important point is that the downside of infection-acquired immunity is it comes with a substantial risk of death attached to it.
 
Ollygon said:
What if a new variant developed, and the new vaccine could beat it?
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I still wouldn't have it.

Why because I'm fit & healthy in my early 50's had Covid which was no different than a bad cold.

I think it's nuts jabbing everyone especially kids with little benefit and seeing as the average age of Covid deaths has risen for early 80's to mid 80's why should I worry I never did before from FLU which kills people every year.
 
Blackpools finest said:
I’m astounded that people are still testing 🙁 maybe it’s so they can get a positive result and put it all over Facebook 😯
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Because they can’t tell people they’ve got COVID if they don’t let a plastic test tell them.

I love the ones who say they feel fine whilst showing their positive tests and stay home missing out on things in their life.

I pity them actually.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Genuine question, have people forgotten that the average age of deaths is 82? Or that there’s a 99.9% recovery rate?

It appears people still have 🙈
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Best evidence seems to be that without vaccination the infection fatality rate is 1% - 2% and not the 0.1% you claim, although this varies heavily by age.
 
poolseasider said:
I still wouldn't have it.

Why because I'm fit & healthy in my early 50's had Covid which was no different than a bad cold.

I think it's nuts jabbing everyone especially kids with little benefit and seeing as the average age of Covid deaths has risen for early 80's to mid 80's why should I worry I never did before from FLU which kills people every year.
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Looking at the stats if covid finishes me so be it, better to use the threat of covid to lose weight, stop smoking, drink less, exercise more, eat more healthily. If the government pushed and helped people to do this many more lives would have been saved but there is no obvious financial gain for anybody so it doesn't happen.
Look after yourself the best you can, keep the old and frail safely out of the way and carry on pretty much as normal would probably have been a better path to take.
 
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Adams Kebab said:
Because they can’t tell people they’ve got COVID if they don’t let a plastic test tell them.

I love the ones who say they feel fine whilst showing their positive tests and stay home missing out on things in their life.

I pity them actually.
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Absolutely, look further up the thread on the second post, “my sister is on day 12” this is why the country is fucked, do people measure how many days they’ve had a runny nose😀 every testing kit should be binned along with every mask👍🏻
 
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