Greenwood in Getafe

[look.its.luke]

Mason Greenwood played the last 14 minutes for Getafe in La Liga today. I've seen a strange mix of opinions online. Interested to see how AVFTT feels.

The facts against rehabilitation:

- Audio and photo evidence of him being verbally abusive to his long-term partner.
- Police investigation passed the threshold for him to be charged with rape, assault and coercive control.
- No denial of the offences by his legal team
- Prosecution rates for rape in the UK are between 1.8% and 8% per region.

The facts for rehabilitation:

- No definitive evidence of rape or abuse.
- His partner (and both families) have resolved things and they remain together, having given birth to a child.
- UK law is based on Innocent until proven guilty and all charges have been dropped.
- He was a teenager... and you would hope he learns from this.

Personally, I can empathise with either binary opinions.

1. he's scum, footballers are in a privileged position and role models, so he's forfeited the right to a career in the public eye.

2. He was a teenager who made some awful choices, but what is the point of the justice system if we say an innocent man is forever shunned from society even when the alleged victim has made peace with him. He can play for whoever, but has to bear the burden of scrutiny and abuse.

The point of view I really struggle with is...he can play for Getafe or a lower league club but not United or an elite club.

 

[Chunkylad]

He’s a grade A bellend but if he’s not charged and his missus forgives then he has to be allowed to play.

It’s upto clubs to decide then if talent matters more than PR and visuals

 

[Wizaard]

I really don't have a view on this one. Judgement in the court of social media always sits badly with me.

 

[Enzo]

Let’s face it his money has got him out of this one he’s as guilty as a puppy standing next to a pile of poo I certainly wouldn’t want him at our club.

 

[Halifax71]

Yet despite him being not guilty we have threads like this.

 

[look.its.luke]

Yet despite him being not guilty we have threads like this.

What's your point? Use words, not emojis.

He was found not guilty but there's significant resistance to his resuming his career. Therefore, worth a discussion.

 

[bill40]

There is not a chance in hell I'm commenting on this the mods heads would explode. so there's currently ~73% of people supporting him which is all very different to the pitchfork and flaming torch brigade on the original thread. Hypocrites. No further comment.

 

[Satriale's Pork Store]

Quite ironic that the head of the Spanish FA is hounded out of his job for an inappropriate kiss, yet this scumbag is allowed to play for a Spanish top flight club.

 

[Dr Hfuhruhurr]

Couldn’t give a toss. His daft gf seems to think there is nothing wrong with the way he treated/treats her. They are welcome to each other. He will probably fit in well in Saudi.

 

[Leyland bfc]

I’m more worried about the shit show going on at our club to remotely give a shit

 

[look.its.luke]

Quite a few people so far entering the thread to say how little they care...

 

[FY4MIKEH]

I'm pretty sure the police can still press charges even when the victim drops them, so why didn't they? The evidence was overwhelming

 

[Macseasider]

Not interested in the daft poll or who he plays for as long as he was nowhere near my daughter.

 

[Enzo]

Anyone that’s defends him is a like minded arsehole the bloke is a ** end of

 

[SEASIDE2020]

Anyone that’s defends him is a like minded arsehole the bloke is a ** end of

Enzo

I'm sure plenty folk are of the opinion that Greenwood is a James Hunt but that's not the question.

People are expressing opinions on whether he should be allowed to play football professionally.

It is perfectly possible to be of the opinion that Greenwood is a James Hunt AND that he should be allowed to return to football.

I think we are going down a very dangerous path if we exclude players - who have not been convicted of any offence - from professional football just because people on social media think they should be excluded.

 

[Enzo]

Enzo

I'm sure plenty folk are of the opinion that Greenwood is a James Hunt but that's not the question.

People are expressing opinions on whether he should be allowed to play football professionally.

It is perfectly possible to be of the opinion that Greenwood is a James Hunt AND that he should be allowed to return to football.

I think we are going down a very dangerous path if we exclude players - who have not been convicted of any offence - from professional football just because people on social media think they should be excluded.

If he wasn’t a footballer and he did that he would have served time and not returned to his place of residence. I suppose it’s Gatafe who are the ones to blame, I dislike Manchester United but credit to them on their stance regarding this one.

 

[spudgun]

.... I dislike Manchester United but credit to them on their stance regarding this one.

Really?

Manchester United`s actions in this have been deplorable, and it appears that initially their overriding aim was to protect their asset`s market value.

Having clumsily tried to integrate him back into the fold they were forced by fan reaction (and that of the women`s team) to do a screeching U turn and have loaned him out in the hope of recouping money at a later date.

They should have acted more quickly and had the situation reviewed independently (according to Gary Neville and others). They certainly don`t come out of it with much credit.

Should he be allowed to continue his career? I agree with Chunky that it is up to the other clubs to decide whether they prioritise his talent over the optics...

 

[tigger]

The unfortunate thing is that this didn’t go to trial, then there would be a finding of guilty or not guilty then a decision could be reached on the basis of that verdict

The fact that the parties got back together and the case sort of fizzled out means there’s been no real determination of all of the evidence

I’m my opinion he’s not been found guilty of anything so should get on with his life and career

 

[Wizaard]

Enzo

I'm sure plenty folk are of the opinion that Greenwood is a James Hunt but that's not the question.

People are expressing opinions on whether he should be allowed to play football professionally.

It is perfectly possible to be of the opinion that Greenwood is a James Hunt AND that he should be allowed to return to football.

I think we are going down a very dangerous path if we exclude players - who have not been convicted of any offence - from professional football just because people on social media think they should be excluded.

This exactly.

 

[SEASIDE2020]

If he wasn’t a footballer and he did that he would have served time and not returned to his place of residence. I suppose it’s Gatafe who are the ones to blame, I dislike Manchester United but credit to them on their stance regarding this one.

I'm not going to go too deep on this one Enzo but I think that non footballers - that is non footballers who have been convicted of offences, remember Greenwood has not been convicted of any wrongdoing - are able to continue their careers.

Again, I am not putting Greenwood up as a hero but I don't think it's for me to decide which footballers - footballers who have not been convicted of any offence - that Man Utd or Getafe should or should not employ.

We probably just don't agree on this one but again, I think it is important to remember what is actually being debated.