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tangysider

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I know he is a popular figure but he dictates the speed of the attack on a lot of occasions.
Snail pace is probably a good description, I do not know if he is acting under orders, or that is the way he was brought up to play, but CJ and others could have roasted their defence if we played an early ball, but they(Cheltenham) were allowed to set their defence before a ponderous long ball was played.
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tangysider said:
I know he is a popular figure but he dictates the spread of the attack on a lot of occasions.
Snail pace is probably a good description, I do not know if he is acting under orders, or that is the way he was brought up to play, but CJ and others could have roasted their defence if we played an early ball, but they(Cheltenham) were allowed to set their defence before a ponderous long ball was played.
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Kind of agree. Not at his best tonight.
 
You feel safe when the ball is at his feet. That is half the battle. It's the bread and butter part of the game that let him down tonight. Should have done better with their second goal and maybe even the first.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
You feel safe when the ball is at his feet. That is half the battle. It's the bread and butter part of the game that let him down tonight. Should have done better with their second goal and maybe even the first.
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Looking at the highlights Grimmy was beaten far too easily for the first,the striker had one option where to put it,Grimmy should of had it covered.
He had a similar spell in the Championship where he seems to get beaten when he really shouldn't, given he has been relatively consistent maybe benefit of the doubt and a one off indifferent game?.
 
tangysider said:
I know he is a popular figure but he dictates the speed of the attack on a lot of occasions.
Snail pace is probably a good description, I do not know if he is acting under orders, or that is the way he was brought up to play, but CJ and others could have roasted their defence if we played an early ball, but they(Cheltenham) were allowed to set their defence before a ponderous long ball was played.
This invited them to press
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Yep totally agree. He is really slow to make a decision when there is a possibility of a quick break and slows everything down too much which is something he needs to work on as I'm sure it's not instruction to do that.
As for tonight it's not often he makes a mistake or has a poor game so it is what it is. He's only human and he had an off night.
 
tangysider said:
I know he is a popular figure but he dictates the speed of the attack on a lot of occasions.
Snail pace is probably a good description, I do not know if he is acting under orders, or that is the way he was brought up to play, but CJ and others could have roasted their defence if we played an early ball, but they(Cheltenham) were allowed to set their defence before a ponderous long ball was played.
This invited them to press
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yep, back to his ridiculously slowness on the ball. That's what caused so many problems for Marv.
 
From what I've seen in friendlies and cup games O'Donnell is a better kicker,reads the game well, releases the ball quicker and suits our system.

Grimmy is number 1 shot stopper and I wouldn't drop the lad he just needs to improve in other areas which will come with age.
 
tangysider said:
I know he is a popular figure but he dictates the speed of the attack on a lot of occasions.
Snail pace is probably a good description, I do not know if he is acting under orders, or that is the way he was brought up to play, but CJ and others could have roasted their defence if we played an early ball, but they(Cheltenham) were allowed to set their defence before a ponderous long ball was played.
This invited them to press
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Best ball he did all night was first half, CJ almost beat the keeper and we all said that will be a ball we'll play all night. We didn't!
 
I have always taken his “slowness” on the ball as composure & generally being calm. This maybe from orders to build the play up from the back .
I do think however, he could have done better with both goals last night.
 
Couldn't believe my eyes towards the end of the game. He actually came out to the edge of his area for a cross. He didn't quite get the ball and he was fouled, but that must be the first time this season.
 
We never do any 'set piece' type moment quickly though - (I know technically it's not a set piece every time Grimmy has it, but you know what I mean) - we take throw ins really slowly and we always ** about for ages over free kicks.

This leads me to think that it's not Grimmy per se but the way we play. by design as it happens all the time.
 
Satriale's Pork Store said:
Agreed...

If Maxwell had been in nets last night and let those two in, he would have been castigated on here.
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That would probably be because last season Maxwell had an extended period of time where he was making those mistakes week in week out, last night was the first time I can think of this season that he has made a mistake.

Seems harsh for people to be calling him out.
 
Rooney53 said:
That would probably be because last season Maxwell had an extended period of time where he was making those mistakes week in week out, last night was the first time I can think of this season that he has made a mistake.

Seems harsh for people to be calling him out.
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I was not referring to the goals he conceded, only he slows the game down.
He might be doing that under instruction, but it seemed a bit weird against Cheltenham at home.
Do not know if O'Donnell is a viable alternative, or cover for injury, but he needs to feel challenged for the goalkeepers jersey
The same is true for all players otherwise complacency kicks in
 
tangysider said:
I know he is a popular figure but he dictates the speed of the attack on a lot of occasions.
Snail pace is probably a good description, I do not know if he is acting under orders, or that is the way he was brought up to play, but CJ and others could have roasted their defence if we played an early ball, but they(Cheltenham) were allowed to set their defence before a ponderous long ball was played.
This invited them to press
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Also Grimshaws kicking never seemed to find a Pool player?
Why is it that opposition goalkeepers often seem to put us under pressure with their kicking?
 
Grimmy is 15/35 for accuracy with long kicking and 8/35 for short kicking.

I.e. overall you'd put him in the top third of keepers in league for his work with his feet.

Also, when we had Madine, Grimmy to Madine was literally the best GK to CF link up I the championship. Obviously, we now don't have that outlet, he'll struggle a bit more to hit Rhodes and Lavery (and Dembele as he had in one game....)

I think he's ok with his feet personally.
 
His distribution certainly isn’t his best feature. It was one of the reasons I think he lost his place under Applejack….

He’s not bad at kicking particularly, it’s more that he doesn’t get us off as quickly as he could at times.

Not the biggest deal in the world and he’s been OK this season.
td53 said:
Grimmy is 15/35 for accuracy with long kicking and 8/35 for short kicking.

I.e. overall you'd put him in the top third of keepers in league for his work with his feet.

Also, when we had Madine, Grimmy to Madine was literally the best GK to CF link up I the championship. Obviously, we now don't have that outlet, he'll struggle a bit more to hit Rhodes and Lavery (and Dembele as he had in one game....)

I think he's ok with his feet personally.
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I think those stats are pretty poor to be honest. For a side with aspirations of promotion and Championship football, that’s a poor do.

With the number being out of 35 that means some second string keepers are featuring. If you consider there’s 24 teams, then our keeper is bottom half in the long range accuracy stakes.

I think it’s a very fair point being made here that he struggles to capitalise on the long ball and in particular the pace of CJ for example on the break. It’s not just the accuracy either, it’s also the decision making, speed of thought etc..

There’s many positives with Grimmy, but it is important that he develops and improves on these weaker areas of his game.
 
The stats are a per game average, so it means he's 15 out of 35 on per game basis. There's an equal chance of the second string keepers being above him.

The notion that being 15 out of 35 means he's in the bottom half is a weird take.
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
His distribution certainly isn’t his best feature. It was one of the reasons I think he lost his place under Applejack….

He’s not bad at kicking particularly, it’s more that he doesn’t get us off as quickly as he could at times.

Not the biggest deal in the world and he’s been OK this season.

I think those stats are pretty poor to be honest. For a side with aspirations of promotion and Championship football, that’s a poor do.

With the number being out of 35 that means some second string keepers are featuring. If you consider there’s 24 teams, then our keeper is bottom half in the long range accuracy stakes.

I think it’s a very fair point being made here that he struggles to capitalise on the long ball and in particular the pace of CJ for example on the break. It’s not just the accuracy either, it’s also the decision making, speed of thought etc..

There’s many positives with Grimmy, but it is important that he develops and improves on these weaker areas of his game.
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td53 said:
The stats are a per game average, so it means he's 15 out of 35 on per game basis. There's an equal chance of the second string keepers being above him.

The notion that being 15 out of 35 means he's in the bottom half is a weird take.
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Sorry, you’ll have to explain that one better.

How many keepers is he being compared against?
 
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34 others.

He is 15 in rank. There are 14 better and 20 worse.

Ergo, he's slightly above the midpoint.
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So he’s slightly above the midpoint of a group that includes 11 second string keepers.

Ergo he’s slightly above the midpoint of a pretty shabby bunch of L1 keepers.

He’s an aspiring Championship Keeper and accurate kicking is a key component of his role.

At this level he ought to aspiring to be Top 6 at worst.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
So he’s slightly above the midpoint of a group that includes 11 second string keepers.

Ergo he’s slightly above the midpoint of a pretty shabby bunch of L1 keepers.

He’s an aspiring Championship Keeper and accurate kicking is a key component of his role.

At this level he ought to aspiring to be Top 6 at worst.
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I'm not sure how much the level has to do with it as opposed to the tactics and make up of the team.

At a higher level in 21/22 his kicking was statistically excellent when we used a much more direct method of '** it at Madine' whenever possible. It's possible some of those above him are simply hitting a channel with a big player likely to win it and turn it into a 'succesful long ball' whereas we've quite often played without an effective target man - even Kuoassi isn't anywhere near Madine in terms of the likelihood he'll win a long ball.

I'm not at all saying his kicking couldn't be better - but I'm saying he's not problematically rubbish and the opposition are often not better at it. He's not misplaced short passes or been caught in possession or anything like that. We've had a lot of moments where we've unsettled the keeper with pressing. I can't think of many where Grimmy has looked wobbly in that respect.

He can improve aye. I think the point about pace is the key one and I can't see how you'd rank that.
 
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I'm not sure how much the level has to do with it as opposed to the tactics and make up of the team.

At a higher level in 21/22 his kicking was statistically excellent when we used a much more direct method of '** it at Madine' whenever possible. It's possible some of those above him are simply hitting a channel with a big player likely to win it and turn it into a 'succesful long ball' whereas we've quite often played without an effective target man - even Kuoassi isn't anywhere near Madine in terms of the likelihood he'll win a long ball.

I'm not at all saying his kicking couldn't be better - but I'm saying he's not problematically rubbish and the opposition are often not better at it. He's not misplaced short passes or been caught in possession or anything like that. We've had a lot of moments where we've unsettled the keeper with pressing. I can't think of many where Grimmy has looked wobbly in that respect.

He can improve aye. I think the point about pace is the key one and I can't see how you'd rank that.
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I don’t think he’ll be at all happy with that ranking tbh.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I don’t think he’ll be at all happy with that ranking tbh.
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For me,bottom line is the defence look comfortable with him for the most part. I agree there was a period last year where it didn't look that way, but this season, no, it looks like he's on same page as back 3.

Perhaps he and Carey could attend some extra 'releasing the ball a bit quicker' training together?

Grimmy often shapes to throw and then doesn't as if not wanting to risk it. I see same in Carey's passing at times.
 
Personally I would have liked us to sign a new first choice keeper in the summer leaving Grimshaw in reserve. Yes he is a decent shot stopper but never comes for crosses and doesn’t dominate his area at set pieces for me.
 
Wilburrabbit said:
Personally I would have liked us to sign a new first choice keeper in the summer leaving Grimshaw in reserve. Yes he is a decent shot stopper but never comes for crosses and doesn’t dominate his area at set pieces for me.
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Why?

a) Grimmy was better than Maxwell
b) I’d have rather have done what SS/NC did. and get Jordan Rhodes with the money we saved
c) keeping Grimmy maintains an element of stability at the back sorely needed after so many relegation changes and
D) has anyone seen a better keeper this season in L 1 - I doubt it ?
 
Camberwell1 said:
Why?

a) Grimmy was better than Maxwell
b) I’d have rather have done what SS/NC did. and get Jordan Rhodes with the money we saved
c) keeping Grimmy maintains an element of stability at the back sorely needed after so many relegation changes and
D) has anyone seen a better keeper this season in L 1 - I doubt it ?
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Statistically there are at least 12 better keepers in L1 so far this season.

I think we all hope that Grimmy manages to improve (especially with being this season’s No 1), but for me this season is perhaps make or break to some extent.

As things stand, I also tend to think we need to be looking for a better keeper.
 
The O/P is a bit of a what else does Jordan Rhodes do thing in that radio Blackburn interview!

Grimmy keeps lots of clean sheets and every keeper can't be perfect all the time and if he was he wouldn't be here.
 
1953+1 said:
Just seen the highlights and he should've done better with the goals, especially the second.
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I think he half stopped playing for the first cos it was miles offside.

The second, Connolly caught ball watching and yeah, should have done much better at his near post. Rather he do mistakes in a game we’re 3-0 up in though I guess
 
Simonized said:
The O/P is a bit of a what else does Jordan Rhodes do thing in that radio Blackburn interview!

Grimmy keeps lots of clean sheets and every keeper can't be perfect all the time and if he was he wouldn't be here.
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Most of Grimmy's clean sheets have seen Grimmy have very little involvement! He's an average L1 keeper, if we're to build a team good enough for the Championship, we need better, as I said before the season started.
 
Simonized said:
The O/P is a bit of a what else does Jordan Rhodes do thing in that radio Blackburn interview!

Grimmy keeps lots of clean sheets and every keeper can't be perfect all the time and if he was he wouldn't be here.
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It’s not really though is it… I mean Kicking and distribution is a pretty fundamental part of goalkeeping and It’s not like Grimmy is prolific at saves like JR’s is at scoring goals is
It?

Clean sheets is a Team effort and to put things into proper context, whilst Grimshaw ranks 4th fit Clean Sheets, he ranks 21/28 keepers and Blackpool rank 15/24 for save percentage.

That suggests it’s not only his kicking that is problematic, but his saves too. Again to put into context, his Save percentage at L1 level is only marginally better than Maxwell’s last season.
 
Worth remembering Grimmys the only one who knows the position of the entire team. 1 or 2 men may be in good positions but if the rest of the squad are leaving us in danger he’s right to hold on to the ball that little bit longer. The midfield, in the second half, were very slow to find space and you could see Grimmy screaming for options. I’m convinced it’s tactical and for good reason.
 
AllTheBoysAreCheerin' said:
Most of Grimmy's clean sheets have seen Grimmy have very little involvement! He's an average L1 keeper, if we're to build a team good enough for the Championship, we need better, as I said before the season started.
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Bloody hell Chris are you still bitter that he made you look like a ** last season?
Stick to warming the bench instead of trolling Grimmy🥴🤛 😉
 
With all this criticism ,we may have to hound him out like some did against Maxwell. In my opinion ,Grimmy is a decent goalie as Maxwell was ,but it didn't stop some having a go.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
With all this criticism ,we may have to hound him out like some did against Maxwell. In my opinion ,Grimmy is a decent goalie as Maxwell was ,but it didn't stop some having a go.
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I didn't agree with the abuse that Maxwell got and wouldn't approve of the same treatment towards Grimmy, or any other player for that matter, that doesn't mean we shouldn't aim higher and recruit better!
 
I don't think Maxwell helped himself though.
It seemed that as soon as every goal was conceded he pointed a finger either at someone, or the liner or held his hand up asking for an offside.
Boro at home was a great example where we were defdnding at the North, he came stopped, went back, ended up doneehere vetween the two and subsequently made their attackers decisions easy for them to score a goal.
Next thing he did was start to finger point, I think it was Ward and Marv, never inspired me with confidence.
 
Mcewans Mullet said:
I don't think Maxwell helped himself though.
It seemed that as soon as every goal was conceded he pointed a finger either at someone, or the liner or held his hand up asking for an offside.
Boro at home was a great example where we were defdnding at the North, he came stopped, went back, ended up doneehere vetween the two and subsequently made their attackers decisions easy for them to score a goal.
Next thing he did was start to finger point, I think it was Ward and Marv, never inspired me with confidence.
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Maxwell was very vocal, a great leader and a genuinely decent bloke. The way our fans treated him in his final season, was nothing short of appalling. The defence as a whole was an absolute shambles for most of last season... In fact the entire team was a shambles and to try and nail that on one player (particularly the bloke between the sticks) showed a real lack of class IMHO.
 
As you are replying to my post I'm not sure why you think I'm "trying to nail him".
I started my post by saying I don't think he helped himself by his actions after goals were conceded.
Perhaps his finger pointing and arm gesturing are included by you in part of him being "very vocal" , I'll beg to differ.

Decent bloke perhaps, didn't know him personally, great leader, not quite so sure, certainly didn't make him a good keeper in my eyes.

If I was going to nail him I would have said stuck to his line, didn't dominate his box, kicked like Phil Barnes, was constantly beaten by shots across him and went down slower than the Amoco Cadiz.
 
Mcewans Mullet said:
As you are replying to my post I'm not sure why you think I'm "trying to nail him".
I started my post by saying I don't think he helped himself by his actions after goals were conceded.
Perhaps his finger pointing and arm gesturing are included by you in part of him being "very vocal" , I'll beg to differ.

Decent bloke perhaps, didn't know him personally, great leader, not quite so sure, certainly didn't make him a good keeper in my eyes.

If I was going to nail him I would have said stuck to his line, didn't dominate his box, kicked like Phil Barnes, was constantly beaten by shots across him and went down slower than the Amoco Cadiz.
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I didn’t mention ‘nailing’ anyone.

Pretty much every keeper, including Grimshaw, will have a rant at the linesman and/or defenders when they concede.

When Grimshaw did it against Stevenage it most likely influenced the Lino to put up his flag.

To that extent, I don’t think Maxwell did anything out of the ordinary and to be frank, some of the defending was shocking and deserved to be called out…..The only difference was that fans chose to focus on his every move and single him out for unacceptable scrutiny.

His influence and personality could be picked up on through the regular interviews and the regard in which he was held by his colleagues and managers.

The fans treated him shabbily, simple as that.
 
Camberwell1 said:
Why?

a) Grimmy was better than Maxwell
b) I’d have rather have done what SS/NC did. and get Jordan Rhodes with the money we saved
c) keeping Grimmy maintains an element of stability at the back sorely needed after so many relegation changes and
D) has anyone seen a better keeper this season in L 1 - I doubt it ?
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I rate Grimmy very highly, but on your point D) yes I thought Sam Tickle of Wigan had a great game.
 
Fylde Seasider said:
TBF this is a whole thread posted up with the sole intention of "castigating" Grimmy! 🤷
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As I started thread, it was not to castigate Grimmy.
I questioned only his slow release of the ball which allowed opposition to set their defence rather than a quick ball to our speed merchants. Also said he might be directed to play that way.
At no time did I question his positioning or shot stopping.
I think my point is valid
 
Simonized said:
Grimmy keeps clean sheets whereas flappy boy couldn't though🤗🤷‍♀️
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I prefer to call him flappy boy 1. 😉 Neither are good enough for a successful Championship team or wannabe Championship team. Maxwell kept 22 clean sheets when we played in L1 last and conceded just 38 goals. He wasn't good enough for the Championship though, was he? As I've said before, Grimmy is still young enough to improve but I'm not convinced he'll improve enough for a team with aspirations of being a decent Championship side.
 
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