Guardian reading, tofu eating wokerati

foggy said:
Mocking basically half the country and using stupid language like she uses does not help her case at all. It just makes everyone think she is an ideologue peddling culture war bollocks to help her politically. Talking sensibly, solemnly even, since deporting people shouldn't be "fun" or an "obsession", would win people over. I was supportive of refugees coming over from war torn countries and thought it was shameful that they we as a country went around the world bombing people, sometimes justified, sometimes not, and then turned our backs at the people fleeing devastation. So I was one of the 'wokerati' I suppose. That was just how I viewed this issue ever since but recently either you or another poster pointed out pretty matter of factly that most channel crossings now are done Albanians who criminal gangs are sending over to replace criminals who have been locked up or booted out and I thought, you know what fair enough that's clearly different and clearly my view on the policy should change, from it being a refugee or a criminal. But when you make it your point to make a name and career for yourself by saying childish, unhelpful things that Braverman does, you lose half the country, and you lack credibility. Frankly, now I dont even know if this Albanian stuff is true, I believe it comes from the Home Office but I dont' trust them.
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You make some good points.

The Albanian immigration issue has been well documented, even by The Guardian.

I don’t think she called anyone who supported genuine asylum seekers ‘wokerati’. I’m quite sure she used that phrase when talking about the protestors who had been causing chaos on the streets of London.

As I’ve said, I don’t mind straight talking though I wouldn’t necessarily use the words she said myself. However it makes a point and I can understand the sentiment behind the words.
You can’t take the words too literally. It’s the meaning behind them. For example she’s not got an issue with anyone eating tofu. That would be ridiculous. Yet one poster on here has taken issue with that and now says he won’t vote Tory. 🤣

The left leaning posters on here need their pantomime villain. Once identified they then character assassinate the said villain and attribute them the most extreme position imaginable. That’s usually accompanied with direct or indirect comparisons to Hitler and his regime.

There was Boris but he’s gone. There was Farage but he’s long gone. There was Reece Mogg but he’s gone. So we need a new focal point for the vitriol. Step up Suella Braverman. She’s the new target.
 
Malced said:
You make some good points.

The Albanian immigration issue has been well documented, even by The Guardian.

I don’t think she called anyone who supported genuine asylum seekers ‘wokerati’. I’m quite sure she used that phrase when talking about the protestors who had been causing chaos on the streets of London.

As I’ve said, I don’t mind straight talking though I wouldn’t necessarily use the words she said myself. However it makes a point and I can understand the sentiment behind the words.
You can’t take the words too literally. It’s the meaning behind them. For example she’s not got an issue with anyone eating tofu. That would be ridiculous. Yet one poster on here has taken issue with that and now says he won’t vote Tory. 🤣

The left leaning posters on here need their pantomime villain. Once identified they then character assassinate the said villain and attribute them the most extreme position imaginable. That’s usually accompanied with direct or indirect comparisons to Hitler and his regime.

There was Boris but he’s gone. There was Farage but he’s long gone. There was Reece Mogg but he’s gone. So we need a new focal point for the vitriol. Step up Suella Braverman. She’s the new target.
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Yes I'm aware she's not being literal lol. She's made herself the pantomime villain by talking the way she does. It's unserious and unfitting. Trying to stir up division. I'm sure she herself wants to be the next Farage, and trying to arrange a backup career. No doubt see her on GB News if she gets kicked out at the next election.
 
Malced said:
The issue with illegal immigration i.e. the exponentially increasing numbers of channel crossings over the last few years, are not to do with public cuts.

She has to try and sort that mess out. It’s a very difficult and contentious job. But it does need sorting out. The criminal smuggling gangs are having it easy. They’re exploiting immigrants and they’re causing immense problems for our public services - the public services you and I both care about. We have tens of thousands of immigrants in hotels. On some days more than 1,000 arrive. It’s unsustainable. Someone has to sort that out. It’s easy to tut tut at the person that has to do that merely when they mention the words ‘illegal immigrants’. I think she’s up to the job purely because she indeed has to be thick skinned enough to handle all the wokerati who have no solutions, and who would be happy with the status quo or the worsening status quo. We get the usual platitudes from these folk about the helpless immigrants fleeing for their lives.
Anyone honest enough about it knows that’s not the case. They’re coming from the EU where they are perfectly safe and can claim asylum. The recent rise in Albanians is in-part to further their take over of the drug networks and other illegal gang activity in the south of England. It’s a mess. It’s needs sorting. It’s needs tough radical action. It’s going to be an unpopular job because of those who are quick to condemn as you’ve done.

The home office and home sectary have always talked tough. Tough on crime. Tough on the causes of crime. They need to. We expect them to keep up safe and secure.
The protestors who are blocking ambulances and causing chaos for commuters are having it too easy. I’m all for the right to protest but there’s a way that can be done without afflicting lives and livelihoods of law abiding hard working citizens.

Fighting the PR battle against these extremist protestors is indeed part of her job. If that means she makes them bogey men, then all well and good. People breaking the law are bogeymen. Everything is about balance.
We need safe passage for legal immigrants and we need to do our bit as a country. But having floods of illegal economic migrants is wrong and it needs tackling.
We need to allow protestors to make their points and be heard. We have free speech and always should. But sitting in a high street blocking ambulances etc is bang out of order. So yeah tough talking follows by tough actions is what’s needed. I don’t know why you would want a Home Secretary who would pander to these criminals and describe them in lovely flowery terms. We need real solutions to real problems not folk who are over sensitive to a little tough talking.
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Some good points, but the immigration system is broken, and trapped in a spiralling, viscous circle. You are right it is unsustainable but most of us looking on I am sure certainly do not support the status quo as you suggest, but wonder why HMG doesn’t do more, and try some different things?

I am not saying any of this is likely to be easy but there is a virtuous circle in there somewhere trying to get out.

Our labour market is crying out for workers. 81 per cent of asylum seekers have their claims accepted in the end apparently. “They have gumption and drive so let them work” (this is according to Jeremy Clarkson and for once I agree with him).

So bust a gut to speed up their claims, and get those who have been idling in hotels for ages into work and repatriate those who are not eligible (or send them to Rwanda if you must).

Some of these people could be in the Tory Shadow Cabinet in five years.
 
There has been quite a lot of coverage of the simple fact that the Home Office ditched its target of 6 months to deal with claims, so that cuts in its staff would not mean missing its target. The delays, overcrowding and sheer number of unresolved cases lies squarely with the Government.
 
Malced said:
You make some good points.

The Albanian immigration issue has been well documented, even by The Guardian.

I don’t think she called anyone who supported genuine asylum seekers ‘wokerati’. I’m quite sure she used that phrase when talking about the protestors who had been causing chaos on the streets of London.

As I’ve said, I don’t mind straight talking though I wouldn’t necessarily use the words she said myself. However it makes a point and I can understand the sentiment behind the words.
You can’t take the words too literally. It’s the meaning behind them. For example she’s not got an issue with anyone eating tofu. That would be ridiculous. Yet one poster on here has taken issue with that and now says he won’t vote Tory. 🤣

The left leaning posters on here need their pantomime villain. Once identified they then character assassinate the said villain and attribute them the most extreme position imaginable. That’s usually accompanied with direct or indirect comparisons to Hitler and his regime.

There was Boris but he’s gone. There was Farage but he’s long gone. There was Reece Mogg but he’s gone. So we need a new focal point for the vitriol. Step up Suella Braverman. She’s the new target.
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Whereas the RWNJs would never dream of mentioning Corbyn.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
There has been quite a lot of coverage of the simple fact that the Home Office ditched its target of 6 months to deal with claims, so that cuts in its staff would not mean missing its target. The delays, overcrowding and sheer number of unresolved cases lies squarely with the Government.
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Target of 75% cleared in a month.

Actual figure reached 4%
 
Wizaard said:
Whereas the RWNJs would never dream of mentioning Corbyn.
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It wasn’t just RWNJs that rejected Corbyn. Judging by the general election results, it was everyone bar the LWNJs. 😮🤣

But hey, at least you stayed loyal 🤔
 
Its easy to criticize the immigration staff but It’s said that the trafficker’s make sure all the people they bring over on the boats destroy any passports and id so applying to stay in UK is made much more difficult. So proving who they are, where they are fleeing from and whether they have a right to stay is a challenge. Let’s hope someone comes up with a way to solve this very difficult problem
 
Seasider1887 said:
I would get a big cruise liner and place them all on that before they stepped foot on our shores and take them back if that Country is not at war. And one more point. I lost family in the last war, they were proud to serve their Country. Why do these yellow belly’s get away with it? They should be shot for desertion !
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Cruise ships a good idea, probably cheaper than hotels
 
It’s sounds a good idea but average numbers on a cruise liner 3,000. We need to stop them actually setting off from France but we need the French government to really work with us which I’m not confident about.
 
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