Happy ‘Freedom’ Day!

Freedom is when you rid yourself of a despot regime. Especially one which likes it straight out of Orwell's 1984. Johnson and his mates wouldn't know the truth if it slapped them in the face. When his lieing cronies are ousted is when this country will be free again (that includes an honest Tory Government).
 
Going back to the O/P I’ll give you my experience of today. Me and my wife caught the train to Birmingham (about 25 mins) . On entering the carriage no one was wearing a mask by the time we got to Birmingham about half the carriage was wearing a mask, those not wearing one looked like they weren’t old enough to have been double jabbed. The first pub we had planned to go to was closed due to staff who had been pinged (cheers Boris) . Another two pubs were closed permanently , no one thinks about the poor staff who have lost their jobs.
the first pub I went in I could order at the bar , how good did that feel. The bar staff were happy and all smiling . One girl who served me said it’s the first time she worn lipstick in however long.We forget about small things that can affect people’s mental health . Anyway a fantastic day
 
Old_Laytonian said:
Going back to the O/P I’ll give you my experience of today. Me and my wife caught the train to Birmingham (about 25 mins) . On entering the carriage no one was wearing a mask by the time we got to Birmingham about half the carriage was wearing a mask, those not wearing one looked like they weren’t old enough to have been double jabbed. The first pub we had planned to go to was closed due to staff who had been pinged (cheers Boris) . Another two pubs were closed permanently , no one thinks about the poor staff who have lost their jobs.
the first pub I went in I could order at the bar , how good did that feel. The bar staff were happy and all smiling . One girl who served me said it’s the first time she worn lipstick in however long.We forget about small things that can affect people’s mental health . Anyway a fantastic day
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Good. Glad you had a good time.
 
Reminder; you can't lose any freedoms, they are yours to give away. Happy freedom Day 🎉
 
Am I the only one who finds the O/P misguided and the sentiments flawed as well as the replies? I know we all want to get back to normal, but this is far from over so enjoy your weeks of freedom.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Am I the only one who finds the O/P misguided and the sentiments flawed as well as the replies? I know we all want to get back to normal, but this is far from over so enjoy your weeks of freedom.
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What’s misguided about it?

Why do people use the next few weeks as a threat to “enjoy it”.

Baffling.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
2, 3 & 4 are figments of your imagination.
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Glad you agree about the war crimes, which in itself should be enough to rank him amongst the very worst PM's, as to the rest:

Buggering up devolution
We don't have a Scottish government dominated by nationalists pushing for a new referrendum every 5 years until the voters deliver the right result, and at the same time doing their level best to cause havoc at Westminster with the West Lothian question unanswered, that's good to know.


Setting the stage for our exit from the EU
I could write about immigration and the multicultural agenda and how this alienated a large part of the country, but I think the simpler option is just to point at the timeline, in 1997 Europe was a fringe issue of interest to about 30 MPs in the Conservative party, by 2015 it was an election defining issue, that wasn't Cameron and Clegg's work.


Crashing the economy
I know those on the left like to blame "the bankers", but who was it who introduced the "light touch" regulation system that allowed RBS and others to be so badly mismanaged and then create the 2007/08 financial crisis?

It was the government's job to regulate the financial sector, they failed.


I should mention that the four points I listed were not exclusive but simply the most obvious ones I could think of at the time, I could also mention PFI and some other fairly disasterous changes in the NHS, or perhaps the way in which he (and Brown) hollowed out the Labour party
and left them (after 13 years in government) with little talent at the top of the party and a series of increasingly duff leaders, but I've spent more than enough time on this already.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Glad you agree about the war crimes, which in itself should be enough to rank him amongst the very worst PM's, as to the rest:

Buggering up devolution
We don't have a Scottish government dominated by nationalists pushing for a new referrendum every 5 years until the voters deliver the right result, and at the same time doing their level best to cause havoc at Westminster with the West Lothian question unanswered, that's good to know.


Setting the stage for our exit from the EU
I could write about immigration and the multicultural agenda and how this alienated a large part of the country, but I think the simpler option is just to point at the timeline, in 1997 Europe was a fringe issue of interest to about 30 MPs in the Conservative party, by 2015 it was an election defining issue, that wasn't Cameron and Clegg's work.


Crashing the economy
I know those on the left like to blame "the bankers", but who was it who introduced the "light touch" regulation system that allowed RBS and others to be so badly mismanaged and then create the 2007/08 financial crisis?

It was the government's job to regulate the financial sector, they failed.


I should mention that the four points I listed were not exclusive but simply the most obvious ones I could think of at the time, I could also mention PFI and some other fairly disasterous changes in the NHS, or perhaps the way in which he (and Brown) hollowed out the Labour party
and left them (after 13 years in government) with little talent at the top of the party and a series of increasingly duff leaders, but I've spent more than enough time on this already.
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You certainly don't let perspective get in your way Lost. Once devolution was implemented it became a matter for the Scots as to how they conduct their elections and who they vote for. I don't like the Nationalists ruling the roost up there but it's not my decision.

Europe never has been "a fringe issue". Thatcher's growing intolerance of her own senior Ministers grew in the compost of Tory European policy. There is no doubt that the rush to open the EU to Eastern European states led to an influx (not massive btw) of economic migrants that, in turn allowed Farage's racist and deliberately disruptive, populist views to gain traction in those parts of the country that felt "left behind" by the Establishment after the banking crisis. But then, so it was in the USA, which saw the populist rise of Trump.

As for the banking crisis, if memory serves it was the American sub-Prime market that lit the blue touch-paper. I agree fully with your view that light-touch governance was bad but even then, light touch governance was not an instruction to the bankers to crash the economy. I could blame the lack of sufficient police on the streets for a growing fear of crime but I can't blame them for the occurrences of burglary, rape or violent crime. It's individuals who do those things.

Look, we've done these issues to death on here. We all know where we stand. My point is that none of these issues lay at the feet of Labour Government policy 1997-2010. You go insisting all over the place that they were. That's your prerogative but I'm content that they weren't.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
You certainly don't let perspective get in your way Lost. Once devolution was implemented it became a matter for the Scots as to how they conduct their elections and who they vote for. I don't like the Nationalists ruling the roost up there but it's not my decision.

Europe never has been "a fringe issue". Thatcher's growing intolerance of her own senior Ministers grew in the compost of Tory European policy. There is no doubt that the rush to open the EU to Eastern European states led to an influx (not massive btw) of economic migrants that, in turn allowed Farage's racist and deliberately disruptive, populist views to gain traction in those parts of the country that felt "left behind" by the Establishment after the banking crisis. But then, so it was in the USA, which saw the populist rise of Trump.

As for the banking crisis, if memory serves it was the American sub-Prime market that lit the blue touch-paper. I agree fully with your view that light-touch governance was bad but even then, light touch governance was not an instruction to the bankers to crash the economy. I could blame the lack of sufficient police on the streets for a growing fear of crime but I can't blame them for the occurrences of burglary, rape or violent crime. It's individuals who do those things.

Look, we've done these issues to death on here. We all know where we stand. My point is that none of these issues lay at the feet of Labour Government policy 1997-2010. You go insisting all over the place that they were. That's your prerogative but I'm content that they weren't.
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Light touch banking was a Thatcher policy, as was giving away State assets to their chums in the finance world for the sake of a few quid and keeping taxes down. Bribes for the electorate that we're still paying for now, with no public sector housing stock worthy of the name and privatised companies shafting us over the cost of utilities.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Look, we've done these issues to death on here. We all know where we stand. My point is that none of these issues lay at the feet of Labour Government policy 1997-2010. You go insisting all over the place that they were. That's your prerogative but I'm content that they weren't.
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Basically it's your case that "it was the bankers that done it"; it doesn't hold water.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Basically it's your case that "it was the bankers that done it"; it doesn't hold water.
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Financial crash not caused by the banks, who control the money. OK. So who was betting on dodgy mortgages in the USA then? The Labour Government, who then stuffed the whole world financial system without any assistance from any other country?

Who knew we had such power. Unlike the current shower who are never accountable for anything, as nothing is their fault.
 
Wizaard said:
Light touch banking was a Thatcher policy, as was giving away State assets to their chums in the finance world for the sake of a few quid and keeping taxes down. Bribes for the electorate that we're still paying for now, with no public sector housing stock worthy of the name and privatised companies shafting us over the cost of utilities.
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Agree with all of that. However, Blair and Brown were determined to continue supporting light touch financial governance. I thought that was wrong at the time and it contributed to the extent of the banking crisis in the UK.
 
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