Has he gone yet? - He has now!

TimperleyTangerine said:
I am sure the Board will be meeting today, to discuss the situation.

The Huddersfield game and the result is not a significant consideration. It is just one game and winning it will not keep us up. The judgement will be made on MA’s ability to win 9 or 10 of the remaining games. Unfortunately, they gave him after the WC and we’ve eaten up more games. It is now or relegation.

I have a feeling he’ll be gone today or tomorrow.
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Hope your right. Can’t see 9 or 10 wins via him
 
fcblackpool said:
Point of order. Grayson was offered the job before MaccyP was sacked. In fact I seem to recall that McP was sacked, but he didn't actually know about it until the next day.

It was awfully handled and I think Grayson had to wait for McP to reverse his car out of the parking space when he arrived.
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Didn’t know that. Poor bloke!
 
clappers said:
How many wins did Critchley have at this level last year, yet he got us comfortably safe. It’s “Appletons experience” that’s landed us in this selection and decision making tactical mess.
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Some of the performances under Critchley were as bad if not worse than some of this seasons

He had a far stronger squad to pick from as well as a season behind him and a feel good factor around the club

Derby and Preston away were awful not a shot on target and absolutely no fight what so ever

So let's no try and re write history

Thommo and Dobbie as replacement are ridiculous
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Seriously don't understand this

Thommo and Dobbie being mentioned

Is that how far our club has fallen?

Neither have the experience that's needed, if that's the standard of possible replacements we may as well stick with Appleton
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Agree with most of that but sticking with Appleton really isnt an option unless we want to be relegated. His pre match next week will be interesting...lets hope its not Huddersfield are a much bigger and better side than little old Blackpool...we are the underdogs blah blah blah
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Some of the performances under Critchley were as bad if not worse than some of this seasons

He had a far stronger squad to pick from as well as a season behind him and a feel good factor around the club

Derby and Preston away were awful not a shot on target and absolutely no fight what so ever

So let's no try and re write history

Thommo and Dobbie as replacement are ridiculous
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He got results which is what we are talking about..no rewriting of history. It’s not going to be a new appointment for the next three years is it….it’s an emergency change the mindset/go for it/enjoy your football/try and stay up job. Lift the mood. To suggest we should stick with Appleton now because we won’t attract a better long term option is the wrong approach to where we are and what we need to achieve in the here and now.

Edit to add…and I was a Critchley non-believer myself so have no rose tinted view of his ability.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Some of the performances under Critchley were as bad if not worse than some of this seasons

He had a far stronger squad to pick from as well as a season behind him and a feel good factor around the club

Derby and Preston away were awful not a shot on target and absolutely no fight what so ever

So let's no try and re write history

Thommo and Dobbie as replacement are ridiculous
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The level of performance under Critchley was clearly well above what we are witnessing with Appleton, Phil.
 
I don't think thommo and Dobbie is the answer now but even they would have done subs when Watford had 4 players on with fresh legs.. but no Appleton waits till we conceded

Exactly same at Wigan.. 10 men.. for how many minutes. They score he then does sub too bloody late.

The man is tactically inept and seems to be happy with draws.. that ain't gonna save us
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Yeah and I think we have more chance of getting them with Appleton than fcuking Thommo or Dobbie
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With his record of less than one point a game? Doubtful. Two positive decent footballing coaches in place of a set in his ways non winning energy sapping dinosaur of a manager could have a massive positive effect in what are a decent band of players.

Only Wigan and Preston have a worse home record than us. The mood at home is poor. We must change now.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Or maybe the board are showing some loyalty and backing the man they brought in because they understand the challenges he's faced this season partly due to the abysmal transfer window in the summer
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Great approach when it’s clearly leading to relegation.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
It's not clear at all there are still over 50 points to play for
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I admire you defending your position I really do but there is no evidence based on the last five months to suggest we will collect anywhere near the required points to get out of the mess we are in. Indeed it’s precisely because there are over 50 points to play for that we need to make the change now. If Appleton stays it’s a classic case of “if you do what you’ve always done, you’ll get what you always got” !
 
Dougz said:
I admire you defending your position I really do but there is no evidence based on the last five months to suggest we will collect anywhere near the required points to get out of the mess we are in. Indeed it’s precisely because there are over 50 points to play for that we need to make the change now. If Appleton stays it’s a classic case of “if you do what you’ve always done, you’ll get what you always got” !
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There is plenty of evidence

Great Derby day win against Preston

First win at QPR in my lifetime

Probably our best all round performance for a couple of seasons away at Coventry

Comebacks with desire and spirit at Burnley and against Bristol City

Home win against Watford all their millions
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
There is plenty of evidence

Great Derby day win against Preston

First win at QPR in my lifetime

Probably our best all round performance for a couple of seasons away at Coventry

Comebacks with desire and spirit at Burnley and against Bristol City

Home win against Watford all their millions
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That’s a sparse list from nearly 30 league games ! Any recent ones as the last one there is late Oct and that’s an awful long time ago in football when you are mired in the shit !!
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Some of the performances under Critchley were as bad if not worse than some of this seasons

He had a far stronger squad to pick from as well as a season behind him and a feel good factor around the club

Derby and Preston away were awful not a shot on target and absolutely no fight what so ever

So let's no try and re write history

Thommo and Dobbie as replacement are ridiculous
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Agree entirely about last season under Critch, and he too overplayed Gaz. If we want to win / control games then we need a manager who will be brave, instead of playing percentage football, which has got us nowhere.

If he gets sacked it will need to be someone until the end of the season. It has to be someone who can raise spirits on & off the pitch. As much as I don’t like the idea, I can only think of one man.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
There is plenty of evidence

Great Derby day win against Preston

First win at QPR in my lifetime

Probably our best all round performance for a couple of seasons away at Coventry

Comebacks with desire and spirit at Burnley and against Bristol City

Home win against Watford all their millions
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Dougall started in all those except Watford. 😉
 
I think by Midday today that's him safe for another game.
Then they might give him Southampton because 'he earned it'.
Win on Saturday and it keeps him in a job for a few more weeks.
It's like death by a thousand cuts.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
It hasn't been poor most of the time at all

Rotherham, Hull and Boro were poor I'm struggling to think of any other match that we weren't in it for
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I know folk often see games differently, but for me WBA was awful. They'd lost three on the bounce and we had little attacking impetus; didn't manage a shot on target. B'ham at home was pretty poor; similarly no shots on target and one of the most dour first halves of football this season (and there are plenty of contenders). I thought Millwall away was poor outside of two good 5-10 min spells for our goal and when Poveda came on. They weren't up too much at all and were booed off at HT.

Yes, technically we were 'in' those games, but the problem is, far too frequently, we're only showing up for games in short spells and in reality we have only managed a handful of good 90-min performances. It's why we've only managed 6 wins in 27.

I really don't get all of this comparison to last year. We put in some poor performances as a newly promoted side finding their feet, but outside of a rocky start we never looked like going down. Job done. I'd take the same this year if it meant we could kick on next year. Critch would have been judged way more harshly this season but the rat scuttled off.

At the moment we look nailed on to go down. Lose against Hudds and we might be 6 points from safety and massively in the mire. Saying, 'but we were poor at Preston and Derby last season' is of no relevance.
 
thefutureistangerine said:
I know folk see games differently, but for me WBA was awful. They'd lost three on the bounce and we had little attacking impetus; didn't manage a shot on target. B'ham at home was pretty poor; similarly no shots on target and one of the most dour first halves of football this season (and there are plenty of contenders). I thought Millwall away was poor outside of two good 5-10 min spells for our goal and when Poveda came on. They weren't up too much at all and were booed off at HT.

Yes, technically we were 'in' those games, but the problem is, far too frequently, we're only showing up for games in short spells and in reality we have only managed a handful of good 90-min performances. It's why we've only managed 6 wins in 27.

I really don't get all of this comparison to last year. We put in some poor performances as a newly promoted side finding their feet, but outside of a rocky start we never looked like going down. Job done. I'd take the same this year if it meant we could kick on next year. Critch would have been judged way more harshly this season but the rat scuttled off.

At the moment we look nailed on to go down. Lose against Hudds and we might be 6 points from safety and massively in the mire. Saying, 'but we were poor at Preston and Derby last season' is of no relevance.
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It's completely relevant when people are constantly banging on about how poor Appleton is and how good Critchley was

The negativity is killing us
 
Pauls_Boutique said:
West Brom were in the bottom 3 when they brought Corberan in, they are now 6th.
Middlesbrough were in the bottom 3 when they brought Carrick in and are now 4th.

We have stuck with the same manager during a run of 4 points from a possible 30. We are 23rd of 24 teams, the same position as we were at the World Cup break.

It doesn’t make any sense to keep him. I don’t understand the logic of giving him the Huddersfield game as there is nothing to suggest that will be any different from the last 10 league games. He has to go now to give us even the slimmest chance of staying in the Championship.
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West Brom and Boro were never going to be in a relegation battle as they simple have stronger squads and better players

Boro had Crooks and Mowett on the bench against us, both proven quality central midfielders who would walk into our team
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
It's completely relevant when people are constantly banging on about how poor Appleton is and how good Critchley was

The negativity is killing us
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You was the most negative of all posters last season - even when we were picking up results.

This season we aren’t picking up anything (except fines for players being sent off) and you’re calling people out for being negative. Bonkers.

Yes we have 50 points to play for, there was also 30 to play for over the last batch of matches and we’ve got 4(?). Great, at that rate we’ll pick up another 6 points or so.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Appleton's record in the championship with the 3 clubs he has managed at this level is about 1 point per game. That won't be enough to keep us up and there is nothing to suggest that our results are about to improve.
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Past records at other clubs mean nothing

Yes it's gonna be tough but we will have more chance if we are united instead of all this constant negativity
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
West Brom and Boro were never going to be in a relegation battle as they simple have stronger squads and better players

Boro had Crooks and Mowett on the bench against us, both proven quality central midfielders who would walk into our team
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I don’t disagree that WBA & Boro weren’t always going to be at the bottom of the division. However they have improved their position by 16 & 18 places respectively.

We are in the same position we were at the World Cup break. We were poor then and we are poor now with no signs that we will get better.
 
Pauls_Boutique said:
I don’t disagree that WBA & Boro weren’t always going to be at the bottom of the division. However they have improved their position by 16 & 18 places respectively.

We are in the same position we were at the World Cup break. We were poor then and we are poor now with no signs that we will get better.
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We have signed some players, surely that's a start and we have to give them time

Bowler and Rodgers were clearly not fit on Saturday

Things will improve
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Past records at other clubs mean nothing

Yes it's gonna be tough but we will have more chance if we are united instead of all this constant negativity
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I generally agree with that but after watching the game on Saturday I do feel that we have a major problem. Prior to game that we had some reasonably good league performances that ended in draws with us being the inferior team. But drawing matches won't help us much in our current position and we have won only 6 league matches all season. I was at two of those (Hudds and QPR) and TBH we should, IMHO, have lost both of those games. There has been nothing to suggest that we are suddenly going to get the wins that we need to stay up and Appleton's record is relevant because he has never had the sort of run we need at this level.
If there were signs of progress then I wouldn't want a change but there aren't IMO. With Critchley you could see the improvement in his first season almost game by game until we started winning - we are not seeing that with Appleton.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Some of the performances under Critchley were as bad if not worse than some of this seasons

He had a far stronger squad to pick from as well as a season behind him and a feel good factor around the club

Derby and Preston away were awful not a shot on target and absolutely no fight what so ever

So let's no try and re write history

Thommo and Dobbie as replacement are ridiculous
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You are right about Critchley Phil, however we were steadily putting points on the board, which at the end of the season is all that matters. I was glad when Critchley went, but bitterly disappointed when Appleton arrived. It appears my apprehension was justified.
 
Albert Ross said:
You are right about Critchley Phil, however we were steadily putting points on the board, which at the end of the season is all that matters. I was glad when Critchley went, but bitterly disappointed when Appleton arrived. It appears my apprehension was justified.
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I think that's fair enough

I don't know anybody who thought Appleton was good appointment but that's not the point

He is the manager and he needs backing
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I think that's fair enough

I don't know anybody who thought Appleton was good appointment but that's not the point

He is the manager and he needs backing
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Again I agree with the sentiment of the fans backing the team, as I do and will continue to do, but we don’t select the team nor dictate the tactics. There is only so much we can do , under this manager the energy and enthusiasm is being sucked out of the fans. We can only muster a certain amount of energy when we have very little, if anything, to cheer.
 
Tangerine_Dream said:
You was the most negative of all posters last season - even when we were picking up results.

This season we aren’t picking up anything (except fines for players being sent off) and you’re calling people out
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The only explanation is that Phil actually rates Appleton’s ability as a manager in this division for us. I’m not sure why but that can really only be the reason save for him being on a wind up.
 
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