Has the virus changed?

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cruzzer

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The increase in cases across Europe has intrigued me, so I’ve looked into other statistics in countries with significant increases.

In general death rates are low, for example; Germany 0, France 3, Switzerland 0, Austria 0, Croatia 0. Numbers in Spain and Italy aren’t as low with 47 and 13 respectively.

So has the virus changed into a less aggressive strain, or is the testing flawed and detecting other Coronavirus strains, or is the population now being affected more resilient?

I hope it’s the former and we are slowly seeing the virus die out.
 
There’s obviously been a change in the scoring system. Whereas before you had to have known someone who had covid to be classed as a covid death, now you need to have proven that you have lived your last 6 months exactly in line with ALL government guidance - including all the grey areas where you must try but don’t if you can’t - and be on a new ventilator in a previously declared covid hotspot to be classed as a covid death.
It’s all perfectly simple...
 
Most likely a combination of increased testing picking up minor cases amongst younger people who are largely ignoring social distancing rules and thus represent the majority of cases in the population (detected or not).

More vulnerable groups are presumably still being far more cautious thus infection rates for them are well below population average.
 
I've no expert opinion on it but I do recall bifster saying quite early into the pandemic about not ruling out herd immunity. Could it be the case that without fully realising it, it could well be that that is a phase we are in.
 
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They were speculating in April on the Oxford vaccine being ready by Sept and rolling out Oct onwards.
Obviously only Russia has that sorted so far 😉
If the US Seal team 6 can break into the Chinese bio weapon factory they’ll have an antidote too soon.
 
cruzzer said:
is the testing flawed and detecting other Coronavirus strains
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This is exactly it. This virus that they are calling COVID19 has never been shown to be isolated so therefore they cannot test solely for COVID19 only coronaviruses of which there many.

The test that is used is called a PCR test but how accurate has it ever been proven to be not only at diagnosing COVID19 but even detecting Coronaviruses in general at all? If you look at what this test does it isnt a clear indicator test.They take parts of a suspected infectious persons DNA and RNA and they multiply it and multiply it and keep repeating that process until various cut off points. Think of it like amplifying the DNA and RNA. The problem with these cut off points that are used is there was evidence shown that in a random check of thirty people tested there were ten different cut off points at which they stopped multiplying the DNA and RNA so that is obviously not a fair way of testing and shows a massive flaw in the process.We all have coronaviruses inside us right now,we are made up of viruses.We have more viral cells in our bodies than human cells so at a certain point of amplification every single person would show enough fragments of RNA to be considered infectious.

Kary Mullis, the inventor of the PCR test himself said at the time that this was not a test to be used for diagnosis.
 
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Ormergod said:
This is exactly it. This virus that they are calling COVID19 has never been shown to be isolated so therefore they cannot test solely for COVID19 only coronaviruses of which there many.

The test that is used is called a PCR test but how accurate has it ever been proven to be not only at diagnosing COVID19 but even detecting Coronaviruses in general at all? If you look at what this test does it isnt a clear indicator test.They take parts of a suspected infectious persons DNA and RNA and they multiply it and multiply it and keep repeating that process until various cut off points. Think of it like amplifying the DNA and RNA. The problem with these cut off points that are used is there was evidence shown that in a random check of thirty people tested there were ten different cut off points at which they stopped multiplying the DNA and RNA so that is obviously not a fair way of testing and shows a massive flaw in the process.We all have coronaviruses inside us right now,we are made up of viruses.We have more viral cells in our bodies than human cells so at a certain point of amplification every single person would show enough fragments of RNA to be considered infectious.

Kary Mullis, the inventor of the PCR test himself said at the time that this was not a test to be used for diagnosis.
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Good points and I’m surprised more hasn’t been made of this.
 
It's possible more virulent strains died out with the person they killed. Also, vitamin D levels will be higher in Europeans at this time of year than when it first hit at the end of winter.
 
I was listening to a presentation this morning from a company CEO - his company undertakes out vaccine trials for large pharma. They are currently planning in Covid vaccine trials for 2 major companies. He touched on Covid a little more; said the info he was receiving from the clients was that the virus was weakening (attenuation, was the word used) and that the average age of the people currently testing positive were younger. Claimed 70 % of all people currently testing positive have no symptoms at all.
 
Ormergod said:
This is exactly it. This virus that they are calling COVID19 has never been shown to be isolated so therefore they cannot test solely for COVID19 only coronaviruses of which there many.

The test that is used is called a PCR test but how accurate has it ever been proven to be not only at diagnosing COVID19 but even detecting Coronaviruses in general at all? If you look at what this test does it isnt a clear indicator test.They take parts of a suspected infectious persons DNA and RNA and they multiply it and multiply it and keep repeating that process until various cut off points. Think of it like amplifying the DNA and RNA. The problem with these cut off points that are used is there was evidence shown that in a random check of thirty people tested there were ten different cut off points at which they stopped multiplying the DNA and RNA so that is obviously not a fair way of testing and shows a massive flaw in the process.We all have coronaviruses inside us right now,we are made up of viruses.We have more viral cells in our bodies than human cells so at a certain point of amplification every single person would show enough fragments of RNA to be considered infectious.

Kary Mullis, the inventor of the PCR test himself said at the time that this was not a test to be used for diagnosis.
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What do you think about this test?
 
I think there are 3 principal reasons the death rates are less:

1. Firstly, the majority of new cases are now in the younger members of the population who have more resilience
2. Secondly, they are getting better at treating the more serious cases, both with drugs and with a less invasive form of ventilation. Those have increased the recovery rates
3. Thirdly, although the track and trace system and local lockdowns aren't perfect they are still reducing the spread and have much stricter testing regimes in care homes
 
Good OP and some good replies👍. Given all the packed beaches during the hotter days, the continuing Rave parties, demonstrations and the many who have never bothered to follow the guidelines the numbers in the UK have dropped and stabilised in general. Let’s hope we get through the schools reopening and the winter months without any significant rises and hopefully then we can get back to as close as normality as possible, more so than now.
 
straightatthewall said:
There’s obviously been a change in the scoring system. Whereas before you had to have known someone who had covid to be classed as a covid death, now you need to have proven that you have lived your last 6 months exactly in line with ALL government guidance - including all the grey areas where you must try but don’t if you can’t - and be on a new ventilator in a previously declared covid hotspot to be classed as a covid death.
It’s all perfectly simple...
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Like a run chase on here? All it needs is a good subject and a trusty batsman then we're away. Or at least you are.
 
20togo said:
😄 very good.

An alternative of course could be COVID Robbie.

It's comes in many forms and hides behind alternative names.
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Great response and once again he's been caught in his own keepnet.
Layton win by an innings once again 😀
 
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