Have the loans let us down this year?

Individually the young loanees have tried their best for us & I for one thank them for coming to BFC.
Playing the guys in a struggling team, with no confidence, no leaders & under hopeless managers never gave them a fighting chance.
In a good team, I think they would have been more influential.
Thanks guys and I wish you well in your future careers.
Edit: They were the wrong players for our current hapless squad. So blame those who recruited them
 
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I'd say we've let the loan players down rather than the other way around. We've asked Patino, an academy youngster getting his first taste of first team football, to play alongside a player that was playing for King's Lynn not that long ago. He needed someone experienced alongside him - a leader. The same goes for Fiorini. But we failed to sign one (or one that isn't injury prone).
We then appointed a dinosaur of a manager completely unsuited to utilising the talents of loans like Poveda and Rogers, the latter of which is currently being forced to play out of position because we decided against signing a striker in the summer on the grounds of a historical injury problem that's been proven to be bollocks.
We've let them down with how everything's been totally mismanaged this season. I feel sorry for them tbh, they deserved better.
 
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Yes I feel they have been brought in to play as 1st team regulars to a degree, our failure to find/sign good championship players did not materialise. The injury list didnt reduce hence we have had to depend on the youngsters to much. At times Patino has looked shattered at the end of games. None of us new we would experience such a bad set of injuries over a season. To sign Goode & Trybull and lose there services has been damaging to say the least thats nobodys fault of course.
 
going to be a bit controversial because I don't want to lay too much blame at the loan signings.The loans have generally been young kids coming from PL teams in order to give them some senior football experience. And I think they would have done much better if they had a bit more quality around them. I'd much rather be more critical of the board for signing so many crocks and getting little or no value out of them.
 
20togo said:
going to be a bit controversial because I don't want to lay too much blame at the loan signings.The loans have generally been young kids coming from PL teams in order to give them some senior football experience. And I think they would have done much better if they had a bit more quality around them. I'd much rather be more critical of the board for signing so many crocks and getting little or no value out of them.
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Exactly it.

100%
 
The players themselves haven’t but the reliance on them has been frightening. Loans do work. Look at Burnley, good mix of permanent players and loans although they probably get the pick of the best bunch at City because of Kompany.

It seems like the club realised they were shit in the transfer market and not going to get anyone so they went and brought in a few kids.

Our pitiful summer transfer window has relegated us.
 
20togo said:
going to be a bit controversial because I don't want to lay too much blame at the loan signings.The loans have generally been young kids coming from PL teams in order to give them some senior football experience. And I think they would have done much better if they had a bit more quality around them. I'd much rather be more critical of the board for signing so many crocks and getting little or no value out of them.
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The best players at the Club are all here on loan. Our own players, one way or the other have all been disappointing at best and in some cases just bloody useless.
 
I can see both sides of this tbh…

It’s been an awful season and very little has gone for us. The loans are just one of a whole list of things that have gone badly, in a squad that has lacked quality, leadership, experience and physicality all season.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I can see both sides of this tbh…

It’s been an awful season and very little has gone for us. The loans are just one of a whole list of things that have gone badly, in a squad that has lacked quality, leadership, experience and physicality all season.
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The players on loan haven't let us down. They've either been injured, badly used or had too much put upon their young shoulders.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
The players on loan haven't let us down. They've either been injured, badly used or had too much put upon their young shoulders.
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Maybe I’m interpreting the question differently to you… I’m looking at in more as ‘loans’ in the Royal sense …. “Has our use of the loan system been as effective / productive as it could have been” as it were..

As individuals, they are what they are… and whilst most of them have been nothing special really, maybe as a result of being too young…

If you compare how Archer was at Preston… real strength and power etc… we’ve largely had weak, ineffective and inexperienced.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Maybe I’m interpreting the question differently to you… I’m looking at in more as ‘loans’ in the Royal sense …. “Has our use of the loan system been as effective / productive as it could have been” as it were..

As individuals, they are what they are… and whilst most of them have been nothing special really, maybe as a result of being too young…

If you compare how Archer was at Preston… real strength and power etc… we’ve largely had weak, ineffective and inexperienced.
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I disagree - quelle surprise you say - but I think we've had three excellent players on loan. Poveda is a shame because he's obviously a difficult man to work with. Fiorini would have been great for us but for the injury. Patino, played to his strengths, is a good player. He's going places that young man.
 
The wrong loans, probably bar Fiorini. We didn’t need Patino, despite him having the potential to be a ‘rolls Royce’. He needed to be at a team near the top like Garner was at Forest last season. I’d have kept Theo, although we clearly wanted Rogers all along. He’s nowhere near as technically gifted, but he suited us better.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I disagree - quelle surprise you say - but I think we've had three excellent players on loan. Poveda is a shame because he's obviously a difficult man to work with. Fiorini would have been great for us but for the injury. Patino, played to his strengths, is a good player. He's going places that young man.
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I don’t disagree sone of them nst be going places , but they’ve not really made a massive impression on our team in truth. Patino has been OK and shown the occasional flashes of brilliance (I’m convinced he’ll be a star too), Fiorini (as you say injured), Williams (not convinced), Corbeanu (not convinced), Poveda (problem child and poor) Rogers (OK)..

As I said, I’d have liked to have seen some real power and strength…
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I don’t disagree sone of them nst be going places , but they’ve not really made a massive impression on our team in truth. Patino has been OK and shown the occasional flashes of brilliance (I’m convinced he’ll be a star too), Fiorini (as you say injured), Williams (not convinced), Corbeanu (not convinced), Poveda (problem child and poor) Rogers (OK)..

As I said, I’d have liked to have seen some real power and strength…
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Agree Williams and Corbeanu...probably Rogers too.
 
None of the young players this season have been a patch on Sterling, I haven't been convinced by any of the young loans. If we had only one from Patino, Fiorini, or Poveda it would have been okay but having all three was too much, especially with Carey.
 
Never mind loan players. I remember when we brought players in who actually improved us remember Simon Grayson & Gary Parkinson they were at the twilight of their careers but did a better job than what we’d had before they arrived. It’s ok developing players & there’s a squad precisely for that. We’ve needed championship quality in key positions since last season and they’ve never arrived. Young loanees could have been used more effectively if the spine was strong enough to cover for their learning curves.
 
Reading all these views it saddens me with a big feeling of failure, who is to blame, Im not sure. Certainly SS has been comitted 100% thats for sure. Do we need someone on the board who knows the game inside out, I very much think so. BG & SS are like us, they are die hard fans who want to take this club forward, do they have the right people along side them ?. Its a learning curve, but Im sure we can only move forward from this. Every club in the UK has its ups & downs, the older you are the more you have seen, Promotion or Relegation are the highs & lows anything else is mediocre. A number of young players are hoping to make there mark next season & SD might just light the fuse lets hope so.
 
Maxwell, hubby, Ekpiteta, Dougall, Connolly, Carey, Thompson, Garbutt, Madine, Hamilton. Every single one, nearly every week has been lower league 1 level and thats being very generous. To put anything on our loans I think is a bit harsh when you've got that list of sh1te above.
Poveda has been wasted and managed badly, Bowler looks a different player but tbf to him has been used differently which hasn't helped him. Fiorini looks good but has been injured or not played, Patino is a great prospect but hugely overused and asked to do it on his own, Rodgers is being played out of position.
We have let them down but tbf to them, they have been our better players this season.
 
Loans are part of football at this level now. Burnley have six loans, Forest went up with a load of loans last year. It’s unavoidable if you want to get a piece of the young talent in the game.

It’s unfair to be harsh on the loans we’ve had when they’ve been thrown into something that barely resembles a team. Victims of our recruitment team and Appleton’s scattergun approach.
 
If we had loaned seasoned pros then I might say yes. However these are mostly young lads who have been well and truly through the wringer in terms of managerial changes, injuries and an increasing lack of confidence across the squad. Add to that being made to play out of position and the increasing pressure of sliding down the table I think it would be disingenuous to say they have let US down. They will definitely have learned a great deal - whether this will have been what they or their clubs expected is a different matter.

I’m concerned as to how this might affect our position in next years loan market. If chaos theory is what PL clubs want for their loans then we might be onto a winner - if not we may be given a wide berth. This is definitely an area that may depend hugely on who the next manager is.

I think as a club we must acknowledge the planks in our eyes before criticising the splinters in the eyes of young loanees.
 
Some really good comments above.

In addition, occasionally the parent club has some responsibility.
Patino's definitely going to be a great player, but he hasn't yet developed the physique to be a regular, robust first team starter, whether that's in a team that's going well or one that's struggling.
He was loaned out a season too early. Arsenal should have known that.
 
TheRealKingKenny said:
Loans are part of football at this level now. Burnley have six loans, Forest went up with a load of loans last year. It’s unavoidable if you want to get a piece of the young talent in the game.

It’s unfair to be harsh on the loans we’ve had when they’ve been thrown into something that barely resembles a team. Victims of our recruitment team and Appleton’s scattergun approach.
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I think there is also an element where the better potential will be loaned to clubs who are perceived to be ‘bigger’ or better and so Blackpool don’t exactly get access to the pick of the bunch…I suspect we’d have to earn that right by establishing ourselves over time as a steady club at Championship Level (different in L1 of course).

So I’m not convinced (in the Championship) that we can afford to rely on loans (and particularly not youngsters) to the extent that others might.

As you say though, we’ve not really had anything resembling a team to bring them into really and we’ve lacked experience in the players we had available of our own. Not a great environment for youngsters to learn much or flourish realistically.
 
The loans have been thrown into the championship the 5th most competitive league in Europe

They are young lads . They needed a season in league 1

They are quality players but not quite ready for first team games week in week out

They needed first team experience but not perhaps in this league initially

It’s a tough ask

We needed a couple Aden Flint type characters more physicality in all areas defence midfield and upfront
 
Patino I would say has been good overall. Very good first half of the season, not played much of the second. People have short memories, and forget how loved he was up until the WC break.

Fiorini would have been vital to keeping us up if he stayed fit. Shame he wasn't, and then had the added complication of McCarthy. I remember seeing him against QPR away and thought he looked fantastic. Even against Luton on Monday, he made me feel very comfortable with him in midfield.

Poveda look great at times, but clearly an off the field issue with both managers this season - attitude.

Rogers has impressed me since has been here, his work rate is very good, just not the best end product. I would try keep him in League 1 but that depends on many factors.

Rhys Williams got better as the season went on. Not as bad as I think people said he was.

Bowler not looked anything like he did in August since he returned. Confidence probably knocked in Greece whilst training for Olympiakos.

Goode - who?
 
20togo said:
going to be a bit controversial because I don't want to lay too much blame at the loan signings.The loans have generally been young kids coming from PL teams in order to give them some senior football experience. And I think they would have done much better if they had a bit more quality around them. I'd much rather be more critical of the board for signing so many crocks and getting little or no value out of them.
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Has worked in the past in fairness but I think this time the problem was they weren't adding to a first team, they were the first team!
 
Fiorini - don’t think he’s all he’s cracked up to be. Occasionally hits a nice pass but defensively he’s a liability and fitness-wise he can’t seem to keep up.

Williams - Too slow and not physical enough either. In my opinion, he’ll find his level at a league one club and be fairly average.

Patino - He was absolutely brilliant when he first came and definitely has the ability to play in the premier league. I think he’s just been a bit jaded by being relied on every game and then the relegation pressure and negativity surrounding the team.

Corbeanu - Was never going to replace Bowler. Always looked far better coming off the bench but too inconsistent with any form of end product.

Poveda - another one with clear ability but hasn’t played enough for us. He needs to play centrally otherwise he goes missing. Must have some kind of attitude issues to have missed so many games because on ability alone, he should be starting every game.

Rogers - Similar to Corbeanu as he is very hot and cold. Gives the ball away and fades in and out of games (mainly out) but can produce a bit of magic on occasion.

Bowler - Maybe short on confidence but he’s only played since he came back in a negative, prehistoric set up. I think that’s certainly contributed to his lack of impact since returning.

Goode - what a player he looked for a game and then the hamstring curse struck again.

I think we needed to sign a right back on loan until Lyons arrived rather than relying on Connolly to plug the gap. Without injuries I feel like, although we’d have been bottom half, we’d have survived comfortably under Appleton (I still think he’s a prick and I’m glad he’s gone)
 
I think the issue is a lack of genuine Championship experience to supplement the loan players. Losing Keogh was a massive mistake. As I've said several times though, there isn't one thing to blame, it's a collective cluster f*ck up.
 
Dougall said:
Did anyone actually replace Keogh?
I know you can't make a player stay but it now seems remiss we just waved him off and didn't have a like for like replacement.
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I don't believe we did, there lies another glaring error by Appleton and the recruitment team. I guess Bridcutt was the closest we got.
 
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