Houthi situation now escalating

One things for sure, the world is in a more dangerous place than it’s been for decades, Russia invading Ukraine, North Korea ramping up its nuclear weapons, rhetoric against the west, and supplying Russia with drones, Israel, Gaza, Hezbollah, Houithis, Iran, Chine, Taiwan, have I forgotten anyone?
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I believe so. There was no opposition from Russia or Chiba. Much as the Russians might side with Iran (who supply the weapons), they aren't keen on armed piracy against commercial shipping.
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I can only find reference to the UN condemning the attacks yesterday and the US representative warning if they didn't stop, there would be consequences. Happy to be corrected.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
In cases of emergency, yes. I cannot see this as an emergency where Parliament could not have been recalled and consulted.

Do you not understand that we are supposed to be a democracy?

We are on a very slippery slope .
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The PM has the power and it’s nothing new.

Although he could turn up at Parliament with a complete made up reason for war - now who was that? 🤔
 
Matesrates said:
One things for sure, the world is in a more dangerous place than it’s been for decades, Russia invading Ukraine, North Korea ramping up its nuclear weapons, rhetoric against the west, and supplying Russia with drones, Israel, Gaza, Hezbollah, Houithis, Iran, Chine, Taiwan, have I forgotten anyone?
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Sadly, you have probably forgotten many 👎

This is frightening!

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Wizaard said:
I get that. Piracy can't be allowed, but Parliamentary approval would prevent the inevitable protests against the lack of process.
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Nothing stops protests Wiz and process being completely out of the window. Thats why l find the United Nations an absolute waste of time and money and would be best shut down because there are too many countries who don’t comply with the UN decisions / agreements / conventions.
 
TangerineBayern said:
Nothing stops protests Wiz and process being completely out of the window. Thats why l find the United Nations an absolute waste of time and money and would be best shut down because there are too many countries who don’t comply with the UN decisions / agreements / conventions.
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Anyone who thinks the UN do a good job should watch Black Hawk Down.

Absolute waste of space.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Anyone who thinks the UN do a good job should watch Black Hawk Down.

Absolute waste of space.
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From what I recall it was a Pakistani/Malaysian contingent deployed by the UN who saved the US survivors of Black Hawk Down.

As for the general uselessness of the UN, would you be happy to vote them more powers to act unilaterally? Bearing in mind that might not always be in the interests of the U.K.?
 
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Mexboroseasider said:
From what I recall it was a Pakistani/Malaysian contingent deployed by the UN who saved the US survivors of Black Hawk Down.

As for the general uselessness of the UN, would you be happy to vote them more powers to act unilaterally? Bearing in mind that might not always be in the interests of the U.K.?
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No democratic body can work without an agreed means of creating a majority to rule it.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
From what I recall it was a Pakistani/Malaysian contingent deployed by the UN who saved the US survivors of Black Hawk Down.

As for the general uselessness of the UN, would you be happy to vote them more powers to act unilaterally? Bearing in mind that might not always be in the interests of the U.K.?
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It was still under the control of the UN at the end of the day and as I’ve already said it was based on a true story.

The Americans held the UN accountable for the American deaths by not coming out of the so called safe zone and supporting them in recovering the 2 helicopter crews that went down.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
It was still under the control of the UN at the end of the day and as I’ve already said it was based on a true story.

The Americans held the UN accountable for the American deaths by not coming out of the so called safe zone and supporting them in recovering the 2 helicopter crews that went down.
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The UN is a fuckin useless gathering of overpaid people who cant make a decision to save their lives, how on earth can they still let countries like Russia take a vote on things who are then supported by others shut the place down!
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
It was still under the control of the UN at the end of the day and as I’ve already said it was based on a true story.

The Americans held the UN accountable for the American deaths by not coming out of the so called safe zone and supporting them in recovering the 2 helicopter crews that went down.
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If you Google Battle of Mogadishu 1993 you’ll see that what happened is that the US forces went in unilaterally without consulting with the UN forces. They got themselves in an awful mess and had to be rescued the following day by an armoured UN column comprised of Pakistani and Malaysian troops.

I can’t see why any blame should attach to the UN forces tbh.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
No democratic body can work without an agreed means of creating a majority to rule it.
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If you want it to be effective I think that is probably right. But you then have to accept there may be occasions when the organisation does things you’re very unhappy about. Alternatively every member could have a veto but then you find a single country can block action that all the other members want. Hungary and the EU being a case in point.

I suppose there is an argument that the five permanent members of the Security Council should lose their veto. As someone has pointed out that would stop Russia exercising its veto. Equally though it would mean the U.K. loses its veto.
 
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Mexboroseasider said:
If you want it to be effective I think that is probably right. But you then have to accept there may be occasions when the organisation does things you’re very unhappy about. Alternatively every member could have a veto but then you find a single country can block action that all the other members want. Hungary and the EU being a case in point.

I suppose there is an argument that the five permanent members of the Security Council should lose their veto. As someone has pointed out that would stop Russia exercising its veto. Equally though it would mean the U.K. loses its veto.
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Perhaps every veto proposed by a member of the Security Council should be taken to a vote at the full Assembly.
 
Shandypants said:
Because the people coming across in small boats are small fry who serve to be a political distraction for politicians to chuck bones to the bigoted dimwits. Thankfully the post office had currently filled that void hence the Rwanda plan has been filed to the back of the queue along with 50p Lee
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Mexboroseasider said:
If you Google Battle of Mogadishu 1993 you’ll see that what happened is that the US forces went in unilaterally without consulting with the UN forces. They got themselves in an awful mess and had to be rescued the following day by an armoured UN column comprised of Pakistani and Malaysian troops.

I can’t see why any blame should attach to the UN forces tbh.
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So what actual peace keeping were the UN supposed to be doing? Keeping who from who exactly they never left the compound until the end of the film?
It was a case of no room at the inn (UN personal carriers) the US forces had to run back behind them to save there lives and as the speed increased they ended up on their own again as the UN personnel carriers disappeared into the distance fleeing to get back to the safe zone so are you saying that was not the case?
And you talk about the Americans not consulting with the UN shock horror.

Behind Enemy lines another true story about the war in Bosnia and the genocide that went on and another falling out this time with NATO forces.

That pilot is still alive today because of the American rescue which NATO failed to do themselves it cost a United States Navy Admiral his job but he always said years later he wouldn’t have swapped that moment for anything and would do it all over again if he could.

Any wonder why the Americans often go on their own in conflict?

I see they (America) carried out further air strikes last night on Houthi rebel locations my question is where’s all the other west support other than us? Maybe it’s just American and British ships being targeted?
 
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Hmmmmmm, now, if only someone had written a song about it being 'the end of the world as we know it, (and at the same time, feeling fine about it).... 😝

Seriously though, if the issues in the red sea region escalates, then the decades of defence cuts will come to the fore, as we've only got an aircraft carrier, a couple of war canoes, and a minesweeper to bring it all to a swift conclusion...!
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So what actual peace keeping were the UN supposed to be doing? Keeping who from who exactly they never left the compound until the end of the film?
It was a case of no room at the inn (UN personal carriers) the US forces had to run back behind them to save there lives and as the speed increased they ended up on their own again as the UN personnel carriers disappeared into the distance fleeing to get back to the safe zone so are you saying that was not the case?
And you talk about the Americans not consulting with the UN shock horror.

Behind Enemy lines another true story about the war in Bosnia and the genocide that went on and another falling out this time with NATO forces.

That pilot is still alive today because of the American rescue which NATO failed to do themselves it cost a United States Navy Admiral his job but he always said years later he wouldn’t have swapped that moment for anything and would do it all over again if he could.

Any wonder why the Americans often go on their own in conflict?

I see they (America) carried out further air strikes last night on Houthi rebel locations my question is where’s all the other west support other than us? Maybe it’s just American and British ships being targeted?
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All I’m saying is that at the Battle of Mogadishu the armoured UN column rescued the Americans. That’s just a fact.
 
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