Houthi situation now escalating

glasshalffull said:
Hope it keeps a ‘lid’ on things and hampers the Houthi rebels and doesn’t kick off a much bigger regional conflict.
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That's the big risk though isn't it? What with Covid and war in Ukraine and now the Israeli/Palestine war and now this it just never seems to ease off. We have the Chinese chomping at the bit to take Taiwan and a nutter in charge of North Korea!! Oh happy days!
 
hertfordseasider said:
That's the big risk though isn't it? What with Covid and war in Ukraine and now the Israeli/Palestine war and now this it just never seems to ease off. We have the Chinese chomping at the bit to take Taiwan and a nutter in charge of North Korea!! Oh happy days!
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I know! Hope you sleep well 🤞.
 
hertfordseasider said:
That's the big risk though isn't it? What with Covid and war in Ukraine and now the Israeli/Palestine war and now this it just never seems to ease off. We have the Chinese chomping at the bit to take Taiwan and a nutter in charge of North Korea!! Oh happy days!
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Chances are there'll be a nutter in charge of the US again before this year is out, one who'll happily throw Ukraine and Taiwan to the wolves while openly encouraging armed conflict in his own country.

Happy New Year!
 
Be interesting to see if this escalates further whether other NATO countries will get involved who are dependent on the Red Sea / Suez Canal for the shipment of their goods. No doubt there will be another demonstration on the streets of London this weekend against the UKs involvement in these air strikes!
 
Colonel Bogey said:
Air strikes on migrant camps in Calais would really go down a treat..
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I remember the days when Thatcher and co were in town and the Navy had a warship off the coast same when in Brighton. What good could they have done, went on for a few years the terrorist stuff when a weeks worth of bombing would have been enough.
 
ItsGrimUpNorth said:
It’s depressing, yet at the same time comical, that we can police the Red Sea but not the English Channel.
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Because the people coming across in small boats are small fry who serve to be a political distraction for politicians to chuck bones to the bigoted dimwits. Thankfully the post office had currently filled that void hence the Rwanda plan has been filed to the back of the queue along with 50p Lee
 
todayistheday said:
Its a shame we dont bomb strategic sites in Iran if they are responsible.
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💯 They are responsible for all this that’s going on in the Middle East right now they backed and supplied weapons and planning to Hamas for the 07/10 massacres and they are supplying the Houthi rebels with these drones.
The world would be a much safer place without an Iran but then again how many countries could we say that about right now?
 
Shandypants said:
Thankfully the post office had currently filled that void hence the Rwanda plan has been filed to the back of the queue along with 50p Lee
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30p Lee, if you please, Shandy. Don`t inflate his value...:)

Nice to see some impressively thoughtful posts already. It is indeed a "shame that we can`t bomb Iran", as that would be really interesting idea and could end really well...
 
Whilst the Houthi's are Iran backed, I've no doubt that Iran is being Russian led on the basis that the US in particular will be pouring resources into this 'new' battle and so will face domestic calls to cut aid to Ukraine. Can't afford both.

Russia's doorstep war becomes a whole lot easier for them.

Only alternative is that the Houthi's are destroyed very quickly.
 
TangerineBayern said:
Be interesting to see if this escalates further whether other NATO countries will get involved who are dependent on the Red Sea / Suez Canal for the shipment of their goods. No doubt there will be another demonstration on the streets of London this weekend against the UKs involvement in these air strikes!
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I'm surprised they didn't seek Parliamentary approval before the bombing.

It would almost certainly have been approved. As it is, it makes us look somewhat undemocratic.
 
Wizaard said:
I'm surprised they didn't seek Parliamentary approval before the bombing.

It would almost certainly have been approved. As it is, it makes us look somewhat undemocratic.
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Think they are still in recess aren’t they for Christmas/New year break? pretty sure they return next Monday.

To be fair to Sunak he did get together the defence Secretary, the shadow defence Secretary, Keir Starmer (by video link) and Lyndsey Hoyle.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Think they are still in recess aren’t they for Christmas/New year break? pretty sure they return next Monday.

To be fair to Sunak he did get together the defence Secretary, the shadow defence Secretary, Keir Starmer (by video link) and Lyndsey Hoyle.
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I didn't realise that. Quite a decent effort.

Explains why some Lib Dem was bleating about not being informed on the radio this morning.

He spoke to the people who matter, probably on military advice not to let the enemy know.
 
TSSeasider said:
I didn't realise that. Quite a decent effort.

Explains why some Lib Dem was bleating about not being informed on the radio this morning.

He spoke to the people who matter, probably on military advice not to let the enemy know.
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Agree, I’m pretty sure some Military personnel were also involved as well as Sunak would think they were talking about the weather when Typhoons were mentioned.
 
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Wizaard said:
I'm surprised they didn't seek Parliamentary approval before the bombing.

It would almost certainly have been approved. As it is, it makes us look somewhat undemocratic.
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The problem is Wiz (and your right) is that we couldn’t afford to allow the Houthi's to start moving their capabilities around and a decision needed to be taken immediately. This has probably been in the planning stages for several weeks whilst all the support infrastructure etc was in place before last nights strike. The Houthi’s crossed a big red line when they started to attack our warships and we shouldn’t stand back and allow pirates and terrorists in preventing shipping through the Red Sea / Suz Canal.
 
TangerineBayern said:
The problem is Wiz (and your right) is that we couldn’t afford to allow the Houthi's to start moving their capabilities around and a decision needed to be taken immediately. This has probably been in the planning stages for several weeks whilst all the support infrastructure etc was in place before last nights strike. The Houthi’s crossed a big red line when they started to attack our warships and we shouldn’t stand back and allow pirates and terrorists in preventing shipping through the Red Sea / Suz Canal.
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I get that. Piracy can't be allowed, but Parliamentary approval would prevent the inevitable protests against the lack of process.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I believe so. There was no opposition from Russia or Chiba. Much as the Russians might side with Iran (who supply the weapons), they aren't keen on armed piracy against commercial shipping.
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I think the Russians are all for this, as they are the Gaza conflict, because it deflects attention and indeed, funding from the Ukraine.
 
Wizaard said:
Because of the lack of transparency. We can't enter conflicts without Parliamentary approval. It's Sunak invoking Maggie in 1982, but even she went to Parliament first.
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So there is a Nuclear warhead heading to the UK, or our assets are being attacked in the Red Sea and we have no idea if more on the way.

Do you think the PM should wait for Parliament to approve retaliation or defence of the realm?

…or the PM could lie just to get his way (now who was that?)

Reality is military decisions cannot always wait and can need immediate or quick action.

So all this, let’s go get permission first - is absolute bollox - the PM has the power and permission already.
 
seasideone said:
So there is a Nuclear warhead heading to the UK, or our assets are being attacked in the Red Sea and we have no idea if more on the way.

Do you think the PM should wait for Parliament to approve retaliation or defence of the realm?

…or the PM could lie just to get his way (now who was that?)

Reality is military decisions cannot always wait and can need immediate or quick action.

So all this, let’s go get permission first - is absolute bollox - the PM has the power and permission already.
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Completely different scenario. We've gone in because America has, as always.
 
Wizaard said:
They've attacked plenty of other nations' ships too, but it’s always us who pile in first.
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It was not just the US and UK who supported it, we obviously had the assets in the region to do something - plus they shot at us!

…or are you not aware of that?
 
It’s irrelevant who did what or whether Biden and Sunak should have delayed to get the issue debated, the facts are that international shipping, crewed by civilians are being attacked and our navy is being attacked. Had immediate action not been taken, more attacks would happen and possibly lives lost.

Problem now is, the Houthis will retaliate and so we go on and on.
 
seasideone said:
It was not just the US and UK who supported it, we obviously had the assets in the region to do something - plus they shot at us!

…or are you not aware of that?
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I'm not doubting something needs to be done, but once again we're going to be dragged into yet another conflict, thinking we've still got an Empire.

Meanwhile we have millions at home surviving through the use of foodbanks. We always find the money to fire off weaponry costing hundreds of thousands a shot but plead poverty and cut benefits when it suits.

Questioning priorities, that's all.
 
Wizaard said:
I'm not doubting something needs to be done, but once again we're going to be dragged into yet another conflict, thinking we've still got an Empire.

Meanwhile we have millions at home surviving through the use of foodbanks. We always find the money to fire off weaponry costing hundreds of thousands a shot but plead poverty and cut benefits when it suits.

Questioning priorities, that's all.
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You do get that shipping around the world needs to be safe - otherwise you exasperate the domestic problems at home (and everywhere else for that matter).

The governments first priority is defence of the realm.

Something Mr Corbyn never really understood!
 
seasideone said:
So there is a Nuclear warhead heading to the UK, or our assets are being attacked in the Red Sea and we have no idea if more on the way.

Do you think the PM should wait for Parliament to approve retaliation or defence of the realm?

…or the PM could lie just to get his way (now who was that?)

Reality is military decisions cannot always wait and can need immediate or quick action.

So all this, let’s go get permission first - is absolute bollox - the PM has the power and permission already.
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But there wasn't a nuclear weapon, and the laws of the Land give parliament supremacy. This was not some minor arrest of a boat, this was bombing which may or may not have hit its intended target, and may or may not have killed innocent people. There was no immediate threat to UK citizens.

The concept of democracy seems to be lost in the UK today 😔
 
Tangerinemoss said:
But there wasn't a nuclear weapon, and the laws of the Land give parliament supremacy. This was not some minor arrest of a boat, this was bombing which may or may not have hit its intended target, and may or may not have killed innocent people. There was no immediate threat to UK citizens.

The concept of democracy seems to be lost in the UK today 😔
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The PM has the power to respond without Parliament….do you not understand that?
 
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