How did we think Madine did?

If Madine is fit we need to start him. He creates a lot of space for the 3 front players around him by occupying the centre backs and he wins most of his headers too.

He will never be popular like Jerry or Shayne as he’s not a pacy finisher but tactically he makes a big difference to the team. Also adds height on corners at both ends.

For me, start Madine. At 70 mins remove him and throw on more pace to harass battered centre half’s
 
Obviously no where near his best but to be expected on first start since his return from injury.

Heavily involved in our goal. Won a flick on, regathered and then played it to Wintle. Only striker we’ve got who gets us up the pitch with brute strength. I’d like to see him get more minutes alongside Lavery. Could be our best partnership?
 
think hes a couple of weeks away from match fitness to be honest, doesnt look quite on it yet. but some really nice touches to get things going. The sliding tackle to win the ball in the penalty area in the first half and then a sublime little chip to Lavery, fuck knows what the free kick was for. he calmed some of the hurly burly down to start the move for the goal. I would have bought Jerry on earlier though because Hull wanted to play keep ball in their defensive third, and jerry is just very good at that type of closing down.
 
He’s a sub, to be used when needed. He did ok, but if we are going to maximise the effectiveness of our talented squad, we need better movement up front. I feel Lavery and Jerry is the way to go, and a partnership that NC needs to develop over a number of games.
 
He's never gonna be the player who puts in a stand out performance. He's a centre forward to make life awkward for central defenders and can hold up the ball and link up play bringing in other players coming forward. Would I play him against a team like Cardiff? Yes absolutely. But probably against most teams he's an impact player or a plan B to come on and help us defend a lead.,
 
Sorry not for me
Last night couldn’t trap a bus
Looked slow and laboured
Part of His game is to hold the ball to allow midfielders to push up and to overlap just kept giving the ball away
League one for me
Need a replacement in January
 
Until he understandably tired I thought he was very good indeed . Ties up the oppositions central defenders and tidy on the ball . As well as we've done recently a bit more physicality up front was long overdue.
 
If you played him with Bowler on the left crossing instead of cutting in to use his natural peg I would start him in a 4-3-3 every game.
 
Gregbfc said:
Sorry not for me
Last night couldn’t trap a bus
Looked slow and laboured
Part of His game is to hold the ball to allow midfielders to push up and to overlap just kept giving the ball away
League one for me
Need a replacement in January
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Were you there?

I think he did well. He's a pest, not as quick as Jerry obv, but certainly not slow and laboured. Holds it up, good in the air, joined up well with midfield wen he could. Still third choice for me, but a decent third choice who will get better as he gets fitter.
 
coppiceman said:
Were you there?

I think he did well. He's a pest, not as quick as Jerry obv, but certainly not slow and laboured. Holds it up, good in the air, joined up well with midfield wen he could. Still third choice for me, but a decent third choice who will get better as he gets fitter.
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Yes I was there paid my money and have my own opinion
Hold it up are you kidding, every touch he gets tackled as his first touch is terrible
Not good enough fact league one player
Slow, poor touch, etc
Need a replacement in Jan
 
coppiceman said:
Were you there?

I think he did well. He's a pest, not as quick as Jerry obv, but certainly not slow and laboured. Holds it up, good in the air, joined up well with midfield wen he could. Still third choice for me, but a decent third choice who will get better as he gets fitter.
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Watching on TV, I was surprised how mobile he was last night.
He is a better partner for Lavery than Yates atm and also offers an out ball. We are not having so much possession in this division so we need a target like Madine more often.
 
Gregbfc said:
Yes I was there paid my money and have my own opinion
Hold it up are you kidding, every touch he gets tackled as his first touch is terrible
Not good enough fact league one player
Slow, poor touch, etc
Need a replacement in Jan
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As a striker he will give us how many goals this season I say no more than 3
Not good enough return sorry
We need better to stay in this league
 
Appreciate what options he gives us tactically...
But, so so slow. When the rest of the front players are pressing, it's pointless because he doesn't put the effort in to do the same, leaving big gaps and options for the other team.
 
Lavery is clearly first choice for now at least and I thought we were better with Big Gaz (who apart from anything else had a vital hand in our goal) than with Jerry. That's not all down to Jerry though, we'd dropped off considerably by the time he was introduced. We'll need them all this season and maybe (hopefully) Ellis Simms as well, so how about we stop writing players off just yet?
 
I thought he did well considering the lay off but he is what he is, a bit of a lump but a decent lump. There will be plenty of opportunity for him to get minutes and it's great that we have four options up top who are all different.

I still think Jerry is our best striker and he will have proved that by the end of the season.
 
Mark_GT said:
Lavery is clearly first choice for now at least and I thought we were better with Big Gaz (who apart from anything else had a vital hand in our goal) than with Jerry. That's not all down to Jerry though, we'd dropped off considerably by the time he was introduced. We'll need them all this season and maybe (hopefully) Ellis Simms as well, so how about we stop writing players off just yet?
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Not writing players off
Just simply saying to be a mid table championship team we need more than a big lump
Madine has had to many injuries and it is now taking its toll
and we need better not wrong to say it
 
He’s a prescence, he is good with his head and his feet, and he can also score goals. What’s not to like? He creates the space for your Yates and your Laverys by occupying defenders and also getting free kicks around the penalty area that a deadball specialist could make something of.

I think some fans just can’t get past him being a bit of a bad boy and getting paid large wages or having been a multi million pound player. They like their players small, tricky and modest in reputation transfer fees and wages! Other players coming back from injury get time from fans but straightaway a large number of our fans are on his back from the off.

Critchley has shown a massive reluctance to allow players back in the squad until their injury is well on its way to recovery yet Madine is crucified for being a sick note. If he was playing the manager then the manager wouldn’t be playing him end of!
 
Fair enough your opinion
But is he fit To start matches ?????
The answer is clearly no
played against possibly the worst team in the league knackered after 55 mins no shots on target
All I am saying is we need better
And this is one of the reasons we can’t kill teams off
Need more up top can’t rely just on Laverys goals
 
I was pleasantly surprised when Critch re-signed him given his rumoured wage, injury problems, but more so his playing style. Clearly the coach thinks he can play a role in this team and there'll no doubt be games where it'll be a good idea to start him.

The truth probably lies somewhere between "he's a must-start when fit" and "I've decided he's only going to score 3 goals and that's not enough so he needs replacing."

If (and it's currently a HUGE if) Simms were to arrive in January, or another player who can bring a bit more goal threat along with the physicality then Madine would be pretty much redundant. But those kinds of strikers don't come along very often.
 
I wonder how we will get him match fit ? I'm sure the Manager who is a highly qualified coach will ponder on that one !
 
clappers said:
He’s a prescence, he is good with his head and his feet, and he can also score goals. What’s not to like? He creates the space for your Yates and your Laverys by occupying defenders and also getting free kicks around the penalty area that a deadball specialist could make something of.

I think some fans just can’t get past him being a bit of a bad boy and getting paid large wages or having been a multi million pound player. They like their players small, tricky and modest in reputation transfer fees and wages! Other players coming back from injury get time from fans but straightaway a large number of our fans are on his back from the off.

Critchley has shown a massive reluctance to allow players back in the squad until their injury is well on its way to recovery yet Madine is crucified for being a sick note. If he was playing the manager then the manager wouldn’t be playing him end of!
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There's definitely a tendency on this board and among footy fans in general to look at a big battering ram type of striker and wish he was faster. Murphs and Gnanduillet had their critics. So did Ben Burgess, though he was probably more deserving. Even so, there were times we looked a better side with him in it.

It's a type that some people just don't seem to "get", which is fair enough. I prefer to look at what they can offer rather than what they can't.
 
FLATBACKFOR said:
I wonder how we will get him match fit ? I'm sure the Manager who is a highly qualified coach will ponder on that one !
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Match fit he wasn’t 100%
has he picked up another injury???
He looked gone after 55mins took him off after 70 mins 15 mins too late
 
Madine adds some muscle up front. Not to be messed around with, indeed he could be the next James Bond. Good looking, no doubt handy in a bout of fisticuffs with those dastardly villains from N.O.B.B.E.R and D.I.N.G.L.E.
 
When you play something resembling a 4 2 4 like we do you probably need a physical presence like Madine to make it work.
 
Gregbfc said:
Not writing players off
Just simply saying to be a mid table championship team we need more than a big lump
Madine has had to many injuries and it is now taking its toll
and we need better not wrong to say it
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You said “not good enough fact” and “league one player”… then “not writing players off”. I think that is writing players off a little bit. Especially as he’s had what, 80-90 minutes with zero pre-season so far?

Only a couple of years ago he was at Sheff Utd and their fans were unequivocal in the opinion that he played a big part in their promotion to the premier league, despite scoring only 3 goals.

I think he has a role to play and I think if he can stay fit he’ll only get better and better. I’m not saying I’d start him every week as I’m a big Yates fan and want to see him prove his doubters wrong too but I’ve no problem with him in the squad.
 
I keep reading Jerry is our best striker and will prove it but to date Lavery is working harder, runs faster, wins more in the air and gets more chances. He also has the massive key ingredient GOALS. Lavery is our number one striker for the foreseeable future and I am a big fan of Jerry. If Jerry is worth big money then Shane is worth massive money.
 
hills98 said:
You said “not good enough fact” and “league one player”… then “not writing players off”. I think that is writing players off a little bit. Especially as he’s had what, 80-90 minutes with zero pre-season so far?

Only a couple of years ago he was at Sheff Utd and their fans were unequivocal in the opinion that he played a big part in their promotion to the premier league, despite scoring only 3 goals.

I think he has a role to play and I think if he can stay fit he’ll only get better and better. I’m not saying I’d start him every week as I’m a big Yates fan and want to see him prove his doubters wrong too but I’ve no problem with him in the squad.
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Ok Respect your opinion
but can you honestly say he is that player what played for Sheffield United
All I am saying we need better to stay in the championship
 
Gregbfc said:
Ok Respect your opinion
but can you honestly say he is that player what played for Sheffield United
All I am saying we need better to stay in the championship
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Yep fair enough, its only my opinion, not a fact. My answer is that I think we need to wait and see; players aren't machines, pre-season is done for a reason and players need it in order to get up to speed. I thought he did ok last night, not amazing, but ok. If he can stay fit, I don't see why he can't be an excellent championship target man. He's strong and an intelligent footballer. For a big player I think he's got excellent touch and linked up with Yates very well before his injury last season so could potentially bring the best out of Lavery or Yates (or both). I'd also have Simms at blackpool in a heartbeat too dont get me wrong, but I've no idea if that's likely or not.

The biggest question for me is "if he can stay fit" IMO.
 
Grayth said:
There's definitely a tendency on this board and among footy fans in general to look at a big battering ram type of striker and wish he was faster. Murphs and Gnanduillet had their critics. So did Ben Burgess, though he was probably more deserving. Even so, there were times we looked a better side with him in it.

It's a type that some people just don't seem to "get", which is fair enough. I prefer to look at what they can offer rather than what they can't.
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Murphy and Gnanduillet scored goals regularly.

It's definitely good to have a variety of options and, if Madine gets properly fit, he may well provide a useful variation. I'd have let him go though, and brought in someone younger, fitter and hungrier, who would improve under Critch. But it's Critch's choice. He wanted some experience. But he's basically got a crock. Hasn't played that much since he signed for Larry. Wages frittered, imo.
 
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20togo said:
fan of both but neither of them played at the level Madine has.
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Of course, but we need a physical player up front who can score goals at whatever level we are at. Murphy, Gnanduillet and Burgess all much more mobile than Madine too.
 
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