How to hurry along Ethnic Cleansing?

Macseasider said:
I think the world is very quickly getting to the point it's had enough of Netanyahu.
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He seems to think that he’s untouchable which makes him very dangerous. Public opinion is really turning against him and politicians currently supporting him will need to rethink. Unfortunately the general Jewish population are the ones who will end up suffering
 
The IDF used a drone(s) that fired three missiles separately at three vehicles in convoy, two of which were clearly marked on their roofs as having Aid/Charity workers on board.

Did the IDF think Hamas were driving along freely despite the risk? No. They knew what they were doing. Such strikes would have to be sanctioned by a reasonably senior officer, if anything like the RAF.

Unrestrained and vicious behaviour. If they willingly kill Brits and other foreign charity workers it is time to cut off relations with Israel and stop all trade, especially arms shipments
 
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The first IDF reaction said they were killed by a Hamas bomb by the road aimed at the Israelis. They had to change their story when pictures showed the hole in the top of the car where the missile entered. The cars were also separated by hundreds of meters, and the IDF had been forewarned they were there.

The same as the Hamas attacks last year, it's murder.
 
The Aid Workers’ “offence” was to build a new pier which allowed 400 tonnes of their food to be delivered to the Palestinians this week.
 
The Israeli daily news Haaretz today published harrowing details of the strike, citing IDF sources for their information.

According to the report, an Israeli drone fired three missiles, one after the other, at the convoy of three cars – all of which were marked with the WCK’s logo – because of an IDF suspicion that an armed militant was travelling with them.

Despite the fact that the aforesaid suspect did not leave the warehouse with the rest of the group, the cars were hit as they travelled back along a route which had been pre-approved and coordinated with the Israel Defence Forces (IDF).

So it’s OK for the IDF to knowingly murder 7 Aid Workers on the off-chance a suspected militant might have hitched a lift ? Someone who the Aid Workers possibly did not even know very well at all?

This is an atrocity not just “collateral damage” or an “unfortunate accident that happens in war”, and just like the thousands before which the West has ignored. But they cannot ignore this. Let’s see.
 
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According to a report I read the vehicles were targeted because the IDF thought a Hamas fighter might be in one of them - he wasn't. So more proof that civilians are disposable if they happen to get in the way of IDF whatever they are doing. This is murder.
The same thing has been happening to ordinary Palestinians for months, often with the support of posters on here. 33000 deaths so far the vast majority civilians and several thousands of children.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
According to a report I read the vehicles were targeted because the IDF thought a Hamas fighter might be in one of them - he wasn't. So more proof that civilians are disposable if they happen to get in the way of IDF whatever they are doing. This is murder.
The same thing has been happening to ordinary Palestinians for months, often with the support of posters on here. 33000 deaths so far the vast majority civilians and several thousands of children.
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And reports that IDF snipers have been deliberately targeting children.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Just seen the map on the Beeb where they were hit, literally km apart. It was deliberate murder
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Yep, and that makes it nearly 200 humanitarian aid workers that have lost their lives since October.

Countries allied to Israel now have to use the threat of suspending arms sales to dissuade Netanyahu from further atrocities.

USA and Germany have to lead the way, and Sunak has to come out and say it unequivocally...
 
Macseasider said:
With growing calls from MPs on all sides and senior judges to suspend selling weapons to Israel the delightful Suella Braverman thinks not.
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As I’ve said on the other thread, it isn’t a choice whether we suspend arms sales. It’s a legal obligation under international law and the terms of the export licences.

www.bbc.co.uk

UK should end arms sales to Israel, say legal experts - BBC News

Lawyers and academics write to the PM saying he risks breaking international law over a "plausible risk of genocide" in Gaza.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
Archibald Knox said:
The Israeli daily news Haaretz today published harrowing details of the strike, citing IDF sources for their information.

According to the report, an Israeli drone fired three missiles, one after the other, at the convoy of three cars – all of which were marked with the WCK’s logo – because of a suspicion that an armed militant was travelling with them.

Despite the fact that the aforesaid suspect did not leave the warehouse with the rest of the group, the cars were hit as they travelled back along a route which had been pre-approved and coordinated with the Israel Defence Forces (IDF).

So it’s OK for the IDF to knowingly murder 7 Aid Workers on the off-chance a suspected militant might have hitched a lift ? Someone who the Aid Workers possibly did not even know very well at all?

This is an atrocity not just “collateral damage” or an “unfortunate accident that happens in war”, and just like the thousands before which the West has ignored. But they cannot ignore this. Let’s see.
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I get and agree with that but as you concede it still does beg the question of what the fuck or who allowed this "aforesaid suspect" to be even in the warehouse, the vicinity or anywhere near these aid workers. Let's face it, it's happened previously so can you blame Israel for having deep suspicions. What were the motives for this "suspect" being there? Was he acting on behalf of Hamas and making sure they got their cut of supplies in the warehouse? Who knows? So many unanswered questions.
 
20togo said:
I get and agree with that but as you concede it still does beg the question of what the fuck or who allowed this "aforesaid suspect" to be even in the warehouse, the vicinity or anywhere near these aid workers. Let's face it, it's happened previously so can you blame Israel for having deep suspicions. What were the motives for this "suspect" being there? Was he acting on behalf of Hamas and making sure they got their cut of supplies in the warehouse? Who knows? So many unanswered questions.
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So you are defending Israel's actions with whataboutery? Wow.
 
20togo said:
I get and agree with that but as you concede it still does beg the question of what the fuck or who allowed this "aforesaid suspect" to be even in the warehouse, the vicinity or anywhere near these aid workers. Let's face it, it's happened previously so can you blame Israel for having deep suspicions. What were the motives for this "suspect" being there? Was he acting on behalf of Hamas and making sure they got their cut of supplies in the warehouse? Who knows? So many unanswered questions.
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You’re assuming there was a “suspect”. Any claims made by the IDF now have to be hugely suspect.

It’s perfectly feasible the aid workers were targeted simply because they were aid workers.
 
20togo said:
I get and agree with that but as you concede it still does beg the question of what the fuck or who allowed this "aforesaid suspect" to be even in the warehouse, the vicinity or anywhere near these aid workers. Let's face it, it's happened previously so can you blame Israel for having deep suspicions. What were the motives for this "suspect" being there? Was he acting on behalf of Hamas and making sure they got their cut of supplies in the warehouse? Who knows? So many unanswered questions.
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This 'suspect' wasn't in any of the vehicles because it was a made up tale to deflect. Even if there was a Hamas person in one of the cars, that doesn't excuse murdering foreign nationals to get to him.

It's no different to them finding out a Palestinian intends going into the West Stand on Saturday and blowing that up. A few extra casualties is apparently irrelevant to them.

These vehicles had given notice of their route and the nature of the trip.

Whichever way you look at it, it's completely indefensible.
 
Wizaard said:
This 'suspect' wasn't in any of the vehicles because it was a made up tale to deflect. Even if there was a Hamas person in one of the cars, that doesn't excuse murdering foreign nationals to get to him.

It's no different to them finding out a Palestinian intends going into the West Stand on Saturday and blowing that up. A few extra casualties is apparently irrelevant to them.

These vehicles had given notice of their route and the nature of the trip.

Whichever way you look at it, it's completely indefensible.
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well you contradict yourself straight away! You say it was a made up tale but then say even if there was.

Anyway, that's by the by. What happened shouldn't have happened. And not sure, anyone is defending the actions of the IDF here. But that's not the topic for discussion. It's about supplying arms to Israel and opinions on that.
 
20togo said:
well you contradict yourself straight away! You say it was a made up tale but then say even if there was.

Anyway, that's by the by. What happened shouldn't have happened. And not sure, anyone is defending the actions of the IDF here. But that's not the topic for discussion. It's about supplying arms to Israel and opinions on that.
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Well would you support the U.K. government supplying arms to any other country or organisations that deliberately targeted U.K. civilians?

The Taliban? ISIS? The IRA?

Of course you wouldn’t.

I genuinely can’t understand why people think there’s a debate to be had.
 
20togo said:
well you contradict yourself straight away! You say it was a made up tale but then say even if there was.

Anyway, that's by the by. What happened shouldn't have happened. And not sure, anyone is defending the actions of the IDF here. But that's not the topic for discussion. It's about supplying arms to Israel and opinions on that.
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The initial statement was that there was a suspected terrorist in one of the vehicles, but once the spokesman had said it out loud and realised it was laughable, they rowed back on that tale and blamed on the ground commanders for acting without orders.

British men were murdered. We have to be seen to be condemning that, and a ban on arms sales would send a strong message about their unacceptable actions.
 
20togo said:
I get and agree with that but as you concede it still does beg the question of what the fuck or who allowed this "aforesaid suspect" to be even in the warehouse, the vicinity or anywhere near these aid workers. Let's face it, it's happened previously so can you blame Israel for having deep suspicions. What were the motives for this "suspect" being there? Was he acting on behalf of Hamas and making sure they got their cut of supplies in the warehouse? Who knows? So many unanswered questions.
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There is no proof that this “suspect” even existed. I did not ”concede” there was, I just said it was a report of a leak to the press by the IDF. And posted almost verbatim from the news report.

I think it’s just as likely to be instinctive deflection from the IDF to cover themselves for the blatant and sustained atrocity resulting in the murder of seven Aid Workers. The first excuse they could think of, before any investigation had even started. Even so, unintentionally, the deflection is an appalling admission by the IDF that Aid Workers as well as all civilians are expendable.

There may have been other Palestinians in the warehouse helping unload 120 tonnes of supplies (just like their Palestinian driver) but why assume they are militants?

The IDF has also been shooting medical staff in the Al-Shifa hospital they invaded. Two doctors’ corpses, dead by gunshot wounds, were found in the ruins earlier this week.

I think you are approaching this with the wrong moral attitude, just like the Israelis with their appalling “suspicions” used as excuses, in openly accepting their unattributed IDF leaks and propaganda.
 
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