I think that Norburn is part of the problem.

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The difference yesterday when Virtue came on for him was evident. We actually get into their box to scare them a time or two. His first reaction when receiving the ball is usually to turn and face his own goal. He is SO slow to move the ball on, that any advantage that might be gained from dispossessing the opposition is lost.
He has not been a good addition !
 
The difference yesterday when Virtue came on for him was evident. We actually get into their box to scare them a time or two. His first reaction when receiving the ball is usually to turn and face his own goal. He is SO slow to move the ball on, that any advantage that might be gained from dispossessing the opposition is lost.
He has not been a good addition !
the very key point you seemingly want to forget and is absolutely vital and something those that those that don't like Norburn want to overlook is that Norburn does EXACTLY what Critch wants him to do. That is keep possession of the ball and continue to recycle the ballto his own team mates. Critchley values that much more than attempting passes that could lead to loss of possession.

Evidence? Read the many threads that have been posted on here regarding Critchs tactics. I suggest some of you think about that and let it sink in.
 
the very key point you seemingly want to forget and is absolutely vital and something those that those that don't like Norburn want to overlook is that Norburn does EXACTLY what Critch wants him to do. That is keep possession of the ball and continue to recycle the ballto his own team mates. Critchley values that much more than attempting passes that could lead to loss of possession.

Evidence? Read the many threads that have been posted on here regarding Critchs tactics. I suggest some of you think about that and let it sink in.
Keeping possession is fine when you’re in front, but to lethargically pass it around the back 4 (or 5!) when you’re behind in the game with 10 minutes to go is not acceptable.
 
I would like to see Virtue given a chance ahead of Norburn
Virtues feet can't do what his brain wants them to do. He is a player who will consistently give the ball away. That has been evident pretty much since he first got a few games in the team. If Critch wants to be more aggressive in attacking the opposition then Virtue could be considered for a start but as long as Critch plays safe keep ball possession then Norburn is the answer. Don't blame Norburn for Critchs tactics.
 
Keeping possession is fine when you’re in front, but to lethargically pass it around the back 4 (or 5!) when you’re behind in the game with 10 minutes to go is not acceptable.
That again is all down to Critchley. Another example is how in injury time Derby had a corner and when the ball came in to the box we hoofed it clear upto nearly the half way line but of course no-one was there because the players are under instruction to all go back when defending corners.
 
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the very key point you seemingly want to forget and is absolutely vital and something those that those that don't like Norburn want to overlook is that Norburn does EXACTLY what Critch wants him to do. That is keep possession of the ball and continue to recycle the ballto his own team mates. Critchley values that much more than attempting passes that could lead to loss of possession.

Evidence? Read the many threads that have been posted on here regarding Critchs tactics. I suggest some of you think about that and let it sink in.
Pure speculation

However as a rule it is better to keep possession than not. Cast your mind back 12 months when under MM we could not retain possession in midfield, Dougall alongside Patino generally hopelessly over run. This lead to us conceding many unnecessary goals and ultimately lead to relegation. Whatever Critchleys shortcomings are what we have now is far better, albeit a lower level.
 
Virtues feet can't do what his brain wants them to do. He is a player who will consistently give the ball away. That has been evident pretty much since he first got a few games in the team. If Critch wants to be more aggressive in attacking the opposition then Virtue could be considered for a start but as long as Critch plays safe keep ball possession then Norburn is the answer. Don't blame Norburn for Critchs tactics.
Yes I get that, but maybe a run of games would help. Keeping the ball is good btw
 
Pure speculation

However as a rule it is better to keep possession than not. Cast your mind back 12 months when under MM we could not retain possession in midfield, Dougall alongside Patino generally hopelessly over run. This lead to us conceding many unnecessary goals and ultimately lead to relegation. Whatever Critchleys shortcomings are what we have now is far better, albeit a lower level.
....and that is what Norburn is doing. It's been the same all season. Criticism of the managers tactics of slow laboured possession football usually along the back line. Norburn is playing exactly how Critchley wants him to play. Don't blame Norburn for that.
 
There was a couple of times in the second half when Norburn picked up the ball from the back and was screaming for players to come deep to pick up a pass. To me though as he had 20 yards of space in front of him he should have taken the ball forward himself, committing the defenders and then the space would have opened up for the pass.

It looks obvious to me and a player of his experience and relative ability would know this so I can only think this is part of the ‘system’ that he’s being instructed to play.
 
I think there's a bit of both, without doubt, Norburn is sticking to Critchley's awful tactics, that's the crux of it, but, Norburn has not shined in that position, he is very slow passes back too much and when he does pass forward it is often behind a player or too short so he is ineffective. I don't think we're seeing the best of Byers either because of the tactics. At the end of the day the manager is ultimately to blame and it would be interesting to see how this squad performed under a less defensive/rigid manager.
 
....and that is what Norburn is doing. It's been the same all season. Criticism of the managers tactics of slow laboured possession football usually along the back line. Norburn is playing exactly how Critchley wants him to play. Don't blame Norburn for that.
Yes I get that
The problem for me is not the type of football [which I think is okay] but the pace at which we play it. Norburn in particular looks laboured and he is not really the leader that we need. IMO we are not far off being a decent team but something does need to change. Critchley will have another season to effect the changes needed.
 
There was a couple of times in the second half when Norburn picked up the ball from the back and was screaming for players to come deep to pick up a pass. To me though as he had 20 yards of space in front of him he should have taken the ball forward himself, committing the defenders and then the space would have opened up for the pass.

It looks obvious to me and a player of his experience and relative ability would know this so I can only think this is part of the ‘system’ that he’s being instructed to play.
true... and there was also one time when he hit a great forward ball thouth the middle to one of our forwards. Why? Because it was a safe pass. He is simply doing what Critch wants him to do and that is for the team to retain possession. We never go anywhere with it but that's down to the manager. As has been mentioned on here, listen to his post match interviews where he says we were the better team and dominated possession. He's obsessed with it.
 
Pure speculation

However as a rule it is better to keep possession than not. Cast your mind back 12 months when under MM we could not retain possession in midfield, Dougall alongside Patino generally hopelessly over run. This lead to us conceding many unnecessary goals and ultimately lead to relegation. Whatever Critchleys shortcomings are what we have now is far better, albeit a lower level.
Yes we only lose by the odd goal if you define that as better
 
There is a huge difference in keeping possession with quality players and great strikers, than playing it with lower level players and average strikers. For City great for division 1 Blackpool not so great. Saying that put Simms and Yates upfront we still go up. Norburn keeps the ball but does it too slowly and by going backwards. Need Morgan back, cos he is progressive in passing through the lines.
 
The results are in............

20togo 3

The Rest 0

Norburn plays when fit because NC trusts him to do what he wants.

Also, how many times is a player who's not in the team, or a player who comes on when we're losing where they can play without the discipline that a starter must have, a far better option?

We really should replace a CB with another CM.
 
There is a huge difference in keeping possession with quality players and great strikers, than playing it with lower level players and average strikers. For City great for division 1 Blackpool not so great. Saying that put Simms and Yates upfront we still go up. Norburn keeps the ball but does it too slowly and by going backwards. Need Morgan back, cos he is progressive in passing through the lines.
Agree with Morgan coming in. He should be an addition to Norburn and Byers, not a replacement for either.

Norburn getting stick, partly because it's fashionable, but Byers gave the ball away a lot and gets little flak.
 
The results are in............

20togo 3

The Rest 0

Norburn plays when fit because NC trusts him to do what he wants.

Also, how many times is a player who's not in the team, or a player who comes on when we're losing where they can play without the discipline that a starter must have, a far better option?

We really should replace a CB with another CM.
I can't believe that NC is happy with the way Norburn is playing no matter how much he trusts him to do what he wants
 
I counted the back passes yesterday between him and Byers and Byers passed it back considerably more than Norburn did. Not many call Byers, same as when Norburn did a goal saving interception v Horwich - its like most people only want to pick out their perceived weaker parts of his performances.
Yesterday the goal was "Norburns fault for missing his header" forget he's chasing back with someone facing our goal to a cross played witg pace.

For me Norburn has been isolated in midfield for most of this season, hasn't stopped him becoming the go to.player to blame for anything, and everything to a lot of 'fans' tbough.
 
He must be to start him. He does sub him, only because he can't 'up' his speed, so sends someone on to run around like a box of frogs and hopes....
He starts him because there's nobody else especially since Dougall left, but I bet deep down even Critchley has been disappointed with him this season
 
Why would you want to weaken us even more by playing Virtue?i look forward to him and others hopefully moving on at the end of the season because for someone who’s now into his sixth year at the club he’s contributed sweet f-all.he’s been well off the pace in the majority of games I’ve seen him past and present.
 
I counted the back passes yesterday between him and Byers and Byers passed it back considerably more than Norburn did. Not many call Byers, same as when Norburn did a goal saving interception v Horwich - its like most people only want to pick out their perceived weaker parts of his performances.
Yesterday the goal was "Norburns fault for missing his header" forget he's chasing back with someone facing our goal to a cross played witg pace.

For me Norburn has been isolated in midfield for most of this season, hasn't stopped him becoming the go to.player to blame for anything, and everything to a lot of 'fans' tbough.
Let’s be brutally honest, the whole ‘behind the scenes’ set up is a tragi-comedy. Until that’s remedied we’ll have all the direction of a rudderless boat. I dread to think how this same pantomime is going to fare next season. Maybe like our second season in the Championship? One thing for certain, hungry, well drilled outfits like Stockport and Wrexham won’t be showing us any more respect than the sides coming down from the second tier. We need to get organised pronto.
 
Ideally though you want Morgan at the top of the three getting forward and getting some shots off at goal.He is wasted in a holding role.

dembele has to play and for me Byers has to play.So Byers sits in the holding role for me
 
When it comes to the last 10 minutes, it shouldn't be your captain who is the one to make way. It happens regularly, which makes me think that it's Norburn not doing what is needed.
 
The difference yesterday when Virtue came on for him was evident. We actually get into their box to scare them a time or two. His first reaction when receiving the ball is usually to turn and face his own goal. He is SO slow to move the ball on, that any advantage that might be gained from dispossessing the opposition is lost.
He has not been a good addition !
Totally agree. Had high hopes for him when he joined but he just isn't up to it.
 
Let’s be brutally honest, the whole ‘behind the scenes’ set up is a tragi-comedy. Until that’s remedied we’ll have all the direction of a rudderless boat. I dread to think how this same pantomime is going to fare next season. Maybe like our second season in the Championship? One thing for certain, hungry, well drilled outfits like Stockport and Wrexham won’t be showing us any more respect than the sides coming down from the second tier. We need to get organised pronto.
I think, after last seasons 💩show, people have to be realistic enough to acknowledge 2 windows were never going to be enough to clear the dross he has inherited.
Yes a trip to Wembley might have eased the pain this season, but as a club, we aren't ready for the championship yet either on, or off, the pitch.
 
I think, after last seasons 💩show, people have to be realistic enough to acknowledge 2 windows were never going to be enough to clear the dross he has inherited.
Yes a trip to Wembley might have eased the pain this season, but as a club, we aren't ready for the championship yet either on, or off, the pitch.
Hang on, Critchley brought in nearly all the players in the team over his two spells. If they are ‘dross’ (I don’t agree) then he is to blame.
 
Hang on, Critchley brought in nearly all the players in the team over his two spells. If they are ‘dross’ (I don’t agree) then he is to blame.
Spot on, Pretty much all the players apart from Husband are Critchley signings.
 
Norburn has had some poor games no doubt and it's frustrating this season but the grief he gets is ott. He's doing exactly what is expected of him in that position. He's not in the team to be our creative midfielder, he recycles the ball and gives it. If he looks for a pass and there's nothing on then he is going to retain possession. Maybe we should be looking more at why apart from Dembele none of our players move to receive a pass or come for the ball.
 
Hang on, Critchley brought in nearly all the players in the team over his two spells. If they are ‘dross’ (I don’t agree) then he is to blame.
Never said tbe team, its the squad he inherited. All of which / are on the wage bill and needs/ needed clearing out.
Included players like Thompson Lyons Bridcutt Moffatt Husband Trybull - none of which are Critchley signings.
 
He's definitely not part of the solution. Captain should be accountable, he does the minimum. When was the last time you saw him getting the players going? Lead by example... bring back Andy Morrison!
 
He looked great when he first came to us, I'm convinced it's the coaching regime that is responsible for his sideways, backwards passing we see now.
 
the very key point you seemingly want to forget and is absolutely vital and something those that those that don't like Norburn want to overlook is that Norburn does EXACTLY what Critch wants him to do. That is keep possession of the ball and continue to recycle the ballto his own team mates. Critchley values that much more than attempting passes that could lead to loss of possession.

Evidence? Read the many threads that have been posted on here regarding Critchs tactics. I suggest some of you think about that and let it sink I couldn’t agree more these players h
the very key point you seemingly want to forget and is absolutely vital and something those that those that don't like Norburn want to overlook is that Norburn does EXACTLY what Critch wants him to do. That is keep possession of the ball and continue to recycle the ballto his own team mates. Critchley values that much more than attempting passes that could lead to loss of possession.

Evidence? Read the many threads that have been posted on here regarding Critchs tactics. I suggest some of you think about that and let it sink in.
Spot on! Away from home these players are coached NOT to lose and just fumble through the game and hope for the best. They get sent on the pitch with no plan whatsoever. Surely by now the players must be wondering what the heck is going on
 
For me it seems like Norburn is lacking a lot of the confidence he had at the start of the season. I'm guessing it's been drained out of him by all the mood. Hoovers on AVFTT and other public places who seen to have an agenda of wanting Critchley to fail so that they can say "I told you so"

As Sadler has already said that if Critchley doesn't get us promoted this season, he'll just have to get us promoted next season, I suspect we're unlikely to see a change of manager before then
 
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