Injustice of rhe Government - COVID and Wembley

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Camberwell1

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I see Boris is opening the COVID floodgates again

sothe day we played at Wembleyy and we’re handed a handful of tickets the COVID case rate for 5he 7 days leading up to our final was 3,000 cases per day (and

This weekend gone, now Wembley’s opening the COVID gates to 60,000, is 24/25,000 and the rate is rising steadily

the 3rd wave is on the way and this injustice and danger levels to fans doesn’t seem right IMO

still, as long as Wembley cashes in ! - hope we win obviously
 
Camberwell1 said:
I see Boris is opening the COVID floodgates again

sothe day we played at Wembleyy and we’re handed a handful of tickets the COVID case rate for 5he 7 days leading up to our final was 3,000 cases per day (and

This weekend gone, now Wembley’s opening the COVID gates to 60,000, is 24/25,000 and the rate is rising steadily

the 3rd wave is on the way and this injustice and danger levels to fans doesn’t seem right IMO

still, as long as Wembley cashes in ! - hope we win obviously
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It fairly accurate that it’s impossible to fathom any of the decisions around Covid.
At least now with the vaccine roll out we shouldn’t see deaths increase too much and with luck we can start to move to a true herd immunity
 
As Chunkylad says the key to this is herd immunity and we’re probably a few months away from that but in the meantime infection rates will continue to rise exponentially especially post 19 July, and l suspect that other countries will impose greater restrictions on visitors from the UK when this happens. There will never be the right time to fully open up but we have to start somewhere.
 
Camberwell1 said:
I see Boris is opening the COVID floodgates again

sothe day we played at Wembleyy and we’re handed a handful of tickets the COVID case rate for 5he 7 days leading up to our final was 3,000 cases per day (and

This weekend gone, now Wembley’s opening the COVID gates to 60,000, is 24/25,000 and the rate is rising steadily

the 3rd wave is on the way and this injustice and danger levels to fans doesn’t seem right IMO

still, as long as Wembley cashes in ! - hope we win obviously
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Just for the record, it is not Wembley cashing in but UEFA.

They made the demands to the government.
 
TangerineBayern said:
As Chunkylad says the key to this is herd immunity and we’re probably a few months away from that but in the meantime infection rates will continue to rise exponentially especially post 19 July, and l suspect that other countries will impose greater restrictions on visitors from the UK when this happens. There will never be the right time to fully open up but we have to start somewhere.
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Well your ‘cure’ didn’t work before and is largely an ‘old hat’ approach to this killer disease

this has all the hallmarks of Cheltenham in March 2020 and Anfield the same week and the death toll from one or both was very very marked

so when COVID was at its lowest Wembley couldn’t be arsed and now you can get a bonus disease for your visit !
 
Camberwell1 said:
Well your ‘cure’ didn’t work before and is largely an ‘old hat’ approach to this killer disease

this has all the hallmarks of Cheltenham in March 2020 and Anfield the same week and the death toll from one or both was very very marked

so when COVID was at its lowest Wembley couldn’t be arsed and now you can get a bonus disease for your visit !
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Completely agree re: our Wembley visit, the rules have been nonsensical and rarely evidence based throughout and highlights the old ‘data not dates’ was complete rubbish.

However, comparing now with the 2020 events of Cheltenham and Liverpool isn’t logical as the vulnerable & more are now vaccinated and many have already had it and have antibodies/immunity.
 
Camberwell1 said:
Well your ‘cure’ didn’t work before and is largely an ‘old hat’ approach to this killer disease

this has all the hallmarks of Cheltenham in March 2020 and Anfield the same week and the death toll from one or both was very very marked

so when COVID was at its lowest Wembley couldn’t be arsed and now you can get a bonus disease for your visit !
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What 'cure' there isn’t one and never will be? There is a preventive available called the vaccine and you can’t possibly compare Cheltenham and Anfield with today’s situation.
 
Camberwell1 said:
or 5he 7 days leading up to our final was 3,000 cases per day (and

This weekend gone, now Wembley’s opening the COVID gates to 60,000, is 24/25,000 and the rate is rising steadily
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Have the number of hospitalisations and / or deaths increased ,8 fold?

I take it you're not of a fan of us returning to Bloomfield in a few weeks time?
 
Halifax71 said:
Have the number of hospitalisations and / or deaths increased ,8 fold?

I take it you're not of a fan of us returning to Bloomfield in a few weeks time?
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Less than 6 weeks till Cardiff does the o/p want us to operate at 2/3rds capacity like Wembley are doing or let no one in maybe.
 
Halifax71 said:
Have the number of hospitalisations and / or deaths increased ,8 fold?

I take it you're not of a fan of us returning to Bloomfield in a few weeks time?
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I tend to agree. The speed of double vaccinations, the level of hospitalisations and the the level of deaths are the key. In my local authority area they have already given over 87% their first jab and 73% second jabs. Whilst the number of positive Covid tests have more than trebled they also have just 3 people in hospital with Covid (in a population of 740,000) and haven't had a death from Covid for well over a month. Covid deaths are well down the list of causes of deaths currently.
Even if they do relax the restrictions in a couple of weeks I would prefer they restrict foreign travel until everyone is double jabbed and also advise the use of masks in confined, indoor, public spaces and public transport. It does require personal responsibilty and sensible restraint
 
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Cases are up, but hospital admissions are nothing like what they were for similar case levels. Conclusive proof the vaccines are working and it's right that we get back to normal. The rolling news channels need to report more on this and less on the big numbers of cases, and different variants. This is no different to flu now - we will get offered an annual booster jab but otherwise we need to get on with our lives (and focus efforts on vaccines for poorer countries too so we can open up the borders etc.).
 
And on the flip side we need to starting getting back to some form of normality as soon as possible as there are thousands of people who are suffering from mental health issues due this pandemic and those whose hospital treatments have been suspended!
 
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Cases are up, but hospital admissions are nothing like what they were for similar case levels. Conclusive proof the vaccines are working and it's right that we get back to normal. The rolling news channels need to report more on this and less on the big numbers of cases, and different variants. This is no different to flu now - we will get offered an annual booster jab but otherwise we need to get on with our lives (and focus efforts on vaccines for poorer countries too so we can open up the borders etc.).
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I tend to agree with this, just on the last point about boosters - as I see it, the difference is we get offered a flu vaccine, but tiny numbers use it. We probably need huge numbers to take up for Covid boosters or I imagine its a matter of time before the virus gets ahead of us again. Its difficult enough to imagine how we do that in a rich country like the UK, it's extremely hard to see how the whole world can do it.

Happy monday though! :)
 
The whole point of lockdown and other restrictions was to ‘protect the NHS and save lives’.
The current NHS bed occupancy level for coronavirus patients is 1.2% of total capacity with over 8% of beds unoccupied.
If the NHS is in a position to look after the sick and cope with any increase,why shouldn’t restrictions be lifted?
Influenza & pneumonia killed 55 people per day last year which was a relatively low number due to lockdown and other restrictions.I don’t see anyone calling for football crowds to be reduced to stop those two infections from spreading.
There’s obviously a risk that a new, even more dangerous coronavirus variant appears but we have to return to normality at some point.
 
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I see the Duchess of Cambridge is now self isolating after coming in contact with someone who tested positive when she visited Wimbledon. You have to wonder what the outcome will be of full seats during this week.
 
Tangerinewiz said:
The whole point of lockdown and other restrictions was to ‘protect the NHS and save lives’.
The current NHS bed occupancy level for coronavirus patients is 1.2% of total capacity with over 8% of beds unoccupied.
If the NHS is in a position to look after the sick and cope with any increase,why shouldn’t restrictions be lifted?
Influenza & pneumonia killed 55 people per day last year which was a relatively low number due to lockdown and other restrictions.I don’t see anyone calling for football crowds to be reduced to stop those two infections from spreading.
There’s obviously a risk that a new, even more dangerous coronavirus variant appears but we have to return to normality at some point.
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oik that's all gresat then - why the hell have I been wearing a mask for 18 months then ?
Reckless I think is the right word of the day AND
dont be so surprised if your shiny new ST is yet another average video pass - that's the point well, one of several I have been making above
 
Camberwell1 said:
oik that's all gresat then - why the hell have I been wearing a mask for 18 months then ?
Reckless I think is the right word of the day AND
dont be so surprised if your shiny new ST is yet another average video pass - that's the point well, one of several I have been making above
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when you first started wearing a mask 18 months ago had 45 million people been vaccinated in this country? Do you not consider that to be a facror?
 
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20togo said:
when you first started wearing a mask 19 months ago had 45 million people been vaccinated in this country? Do you not consider that to be a facror?
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Lost Seasider said:
The difference is knowledge, the government knows more now than it did back in March.
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Medical knowledge has come on leaps and bounds. Not only the vaccinations, but the treatments available now have drastically cut the death rate. That's the key statistic.

I've been fairly cautious throughout this, but it's time to see how we get on. I think there will be occasions where wearing a mask would be a sensible choice. The problem will be those who think they're invincible and above all that.

The irony is that the infection rate might well rise exponentially as a consequence but the only ones with the increased chance of dying are the covid deniers who have refused the jabs, who will be out in force telling us it was a hoax.
 
Lost Seasider said:
The difference is knowledge, the government knows more now than it did back in March.
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I think too much 'knowledge' in the wrong hands is also an issue for us now. We've kind of created this climate of "It's coming to get me" with the daily publication of the covid stats and whilst some are able to put those numbers into context, others are still rigid with fear.

I mean can you imagine what the charts would look like if we did a similar thing with a typical common cold or flu, because lets face it, during a typical winter these common viruses would be spreading like windfire and exponentially?

Unfortunately folk just don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that the link between infection and death has been broken....
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Unfortunately folk just don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that the link between infection and death has been broken....
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The link has not been broken, it has been weakened, probably now to the extent that future death rates from the virus are tolerable, but the link is still there.
 
Lost Seasider said:
The link has not been broken, it has been weakened, probably now to the extent that future death rates from the virus are tolerable, but the link is still there.
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OK bad term of phrase... The point, however is that deaths drop to a point where they sit within that tolerable range and therefore Covid is no longer looking particularly 'remakable' when compared to any other cirulating virus (Flu, Norovirus etc..) in terms of the potential for serious harm. I'm sure if we were to produce a daily chart that showed Flu infections, hospitalisations & related deaths it might look equally scarey....But because we don't have those numbers in our faces, Flu essentially just sits in the background...We know it is contagious, we know that people get severely ill from it and some will die. but it doesn't impact signifcantly on how we conduct our day to day lives..

So ultimately that is where we need to be with Covid.... There needs to be an acceptance that whilst the risk exists, that we have taken significant steps (through vaccination) in order to mitigate that risk and therefore we need to get on and live our lives normally. So we can't expect to limit stadium capacities for Covid anymore than we would have ever limited them for any other virus...

I suppose for some it's just a bit of a leap of faith at the moment and they've kind of been brainwashed into a particular state of mind....
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
OK bad term of phrase... The point, however is that deaths drop to a point where they sit within that tolerable range and therefore Covid is no longer looking particularly 'remakable' when compared to any other cirulating virus (Flu, Norovirus etc..) in terms of the potential for serious harm. I'm sure if we were to produce a daily chart that showed Flu infections, hospitalisations & related deaths it might look equally scarey....But because we don't have those numbers in our faces, Flu essentially just sits in the background...We know it is contagious, we know that people get severely ill from it and some will die. but it doesn't impact signifcantly on how we conduct our day to day lives..

So ultimately that is where we need to be with Covid.... There needs to be an acceptance that whilst the risk exists, that we have taken significant steps (through vaccination) in order to mitigate that risk and therefore we need to get on and live our lives normally. So we can't expect to limit stadium capacities for Covid anymore than we would have ever limited them for any other virus...

I suppose for some it's just a bit of a leap of faith at the moment and they've kind of been brainwashed into a particular state of mind....
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As a consequence of lockdown, sanitiser, social distancing etc, the volume of death from flu etc was also slashed as the transmission was by the same routes.

I can see them staying low again this winter as the majority of people will remain cautious.
 
Wizaard said:
As a consequence of lockdown, sanitiser, social distancing etc, the volume of death from flu etc was also slashed as the transmission was by the same routes.

I can see them staying low again this winter as the majority of people will remain cautious.
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The number of deaths from any transmissible disease would be slashed if we all just stayed away from each other obviously. The issue with that however, is that folk would be jumping off buildings instead!!

Of course there is also some concern that a whole range of infections will hit us this coming winter, due to the fact that we have not been exposed to the typical day to day virus and bacteria that would normally contribute to retaining a healthy immune system and our collective defences will have lowered as a result.

So whilst reduced flu numbers might seem desirable, the reality is that they are probably not desirable at all and by contrast it is vitally important that we all continue to be regularly exposed to flu and other viruses.
 
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I heard on the news that during the Euro tournament more men than woman have been contracting COVID - now I wonder what that might be due to ?
 
Camberwell1 said:
I heard on the news that during the Euro tournament more men than woman have been contracting COVID - now I wonder what that might be due to ?
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Always first to be critical aren’t you!!! But never put forward what you think should happen, but maybe you’ll surprise me, come in then what would your solution be????? Do you want to be locked up forever?
 
Camberwell1 said:
I heard on the news that during the Euro tournament more men than woman have been contracting COVID - now I wonder what that might be due to ?
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It’s Love Island isn’t it?! Must give women antibodies and Jermaine Jenas commentary gives people a high temp.

Thanks for bringing this up.
 
Camberwell1 said:
I heard on the news that during the Euro tournament more men than woman have been contracting COVID - now I wonder what that might be due to ?
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Men buy more non-essential items from the supermarket.

Facts/Science 👍🏻
 
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