Interesting article - Russell Brand related

One more try JJ.

If, as you say in your conspiracy theory, Jones (and O`Brien) turned a blind eye because they thought Brand was `one of our own`, how do you excuse everybody else on the right and centre at the time who were associated with him turning a blind eye?

What was their reason for not dobbing Brand in?
 
JJpool said:
He worked at channel 4 for many years. He did political speeches with Owen Jones for eg.

It's been plastered all over the mainstream media how obvious it all was and an 'open secret' about his flirtatious ways and alleged behaviour etc, yet people did nothing.

news.sky.com

Comedian Nish Kumar says presence of sexual predators in industry is 'open secret' following Russell Brand allegations

Nish Kumar claimed reports of Russell Brand's alleged behaviour was known on the comedy circuit, warning, "This stuff is still happening… there are still people working in comedy who people will say, 'Oh, we don't send young women into their dressing room'."
news.sky.com news.sky.com

I'd say it's fair comment to say it raises questions as to why those who associated with him back then didn't raise anything at all when it was apparently well known. 🤦‍♂️
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Well it’s not just “who associated with him back then”. As your link confirms there are apparently still people on the comedy circuit who can’t be trusted around women. That dovetails with something I read recently about a Whats App group of female comedians who had a blacklist of five male comedians they should avoid being alone with.

As for the left/right thing you are right and wrong. You’re right when you say Brand was applauded for describing Farage as “A pound shop Enoch Powell”. But since Covid his audience has been largely alt right. And of course he’s now trotting out the Trump/Farage/Wootton defence of “I’m being cancelled by the Elite Establishment”. Personally I think it’s not quite so easy to pigeonhole people as left or right these days. Sensible person who thinks seriously about stuff versus Absolute Loon might be better boxes to put people in.

As for your other point (muddled up with the preceding two) I do agree with you about lack of due process. Accusations are not the same as proof. This is a work in process as far as I’m concerned but there seem to be three categories.

1. Is it a criminal offence? If so let it run its course.
2. Is it private between consenting adults? If so, keep your snout out.
3. Is it dickhead behaviour that should be outed? My inclination is to say yes, but I fully accept that can result in “trial by media” etc.
 
It's Brand who has politicised it by claiming the allegations are from those trying to 'silence' him, and his defenders like Andrew Tate tried the same thing.

@Lala is spot on saying he should be judged on his behaviour. Nothing else.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Well it’s not just “who associated with him back then”. As your link confirms there are apparently still people on the comedy circuit who can’t be trusted around women. That dovetails with something I read recently about a Whats App group of female comedians who had a blacklist of five male comedians they should avoid being alone with.

As for the left/right thing you are right and wrong. You’re right when you say Brand was applauded for describing Farage as “A pound shop Enoch Powell”. But since Covid his audience has been largely alt right. And of course he’s now trotting out the Trump/Farage/Wootton defence of “I’m being cancelled by the Elite Establishment”. Personally I think it’s not quite so easy to pigeonhole people as left or right these days. Sensible person who thinks seriously about stuff versus Absolute Loon might be better boxes to put people in.

As for your other point (muddled up with the preceding two) I do agree with you about lack of due process. Accusations are not the same as proof. This is a work in process as far as I’m concerned but there seem to be three categories.

1. Is it a criminal offence? If so let it run its course.
2. Is it private between consenting adults? If so, keep your snout out.
3. Is it dickhead behaviour that should be outed? My inclination is to say yes, but I fully accept that can result in “trial by media” etc.
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He’s already been tried, hung, drawn and quartered. Whether those that have done so are right, time will tell.
 
Back in the day, Brand was catnip for anyone and everyone who thought he would generate more money, publicity or credence for them, whether they were broadcasters, tabloids (the Sun named him Shagger of the Year four times back then) or politicians.

Now? Hypocrisy from all those who used to court him.
 
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Mexboroseasider said:
Well it’s not just “who associated with him back then”. As your link confirms there are apparently still people on the comedy circuit who can’t be trusted around women. That dovetails with something I read recently about a Whats App group of female comedians who had a blacklist of five male comedians they should avoid being alone with.

As for the left/right thing you are right and wrong. You’re right when you say Brand was applauded for describing Farage as “A pound shop Enoch Powell”. But since Covid his audience has been largely alt right. And of course he’s now trotting out the Trump/Farage/Wootton defence of “I’m being cancelled by the Elite Establishment”. Personally I think it’s not quite so easy to pigeonhole people as left or right these days. Sensible person who thinks seriously about stuff versus Absolute Loon might be better boxes to put people in.

As for your other point (muddled up with the preceding two) I do agree with you about lack of due process. Accusations are not the same as proof. This is a work in process as far as I’m concerned but there seem to be three categories.

1. Is it a criminal offence? If so let it run its course.
2. Is it private between consenting adults? If so, keep your snout out.
3. Is it dickhead behaviour that should be outed? My inclination is to say yes, but I fully accept that can result in “trial by media” etc.
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Well yes but I'm focusing on Brand rather than the unknown lot.

Brand has definitely undertaken a shift in political persuasion, some are maybe rightly questioning why those taking to attack him weren't doing so in the past for some of his behaviour that was known, obviously not the most serious of his recent allegations.

If that's how you see left and right then it's no wonder you haven't been able to add balance to some other subjects, if you thinks it's sensible vs nutters.

I'm glad you agree about due process as it's sensible to wait for a conviction and not act on allegations alone.
 
Wizaard said:
It's Brand who has politicised it by claiming the allegations are from those trying to 'silence' him, and his defenders like Andrew Tate tried the same thing.

@Lala is spot on saying he should be judged on his behaviour. Nothing else.
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He is being, people are also judging those who he associated with if this apparent 'open secret' was so obvious to many, yet none seemed to raise any concerns.

Some are speculating as to why that would be.
 
JJpool said:
Well yes but I'm focusing on Brand rather than the unknown lot.

Brand has definitely undertaken a shift in political persuasion, some are maybe rightly questioning why those taking to attack him weren't doing so in the past for some of his behaviour that was known, obviously not the most serious of his recent allegations.

If that's how you see left and right then it's no wonder you haven't been able to add balance to some other subjects, if you thinks it's sensible vs nutters.

I'm glad you agree about due process as it's sensible to wait for a conviction and not act on allegations alone.
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I’ve never actually said what you’re implying. Left equals sensible. Right equals nutters. I’m very aware people can hop from one side to the other and then back again - left/right: sensible/nutter.

As for the due process point, you’ve swerved my point 3. People can be knobs even if that doesn’t amount to a criminal offence. Should that be called out or not? I think so. But am not sure.
 
spudgun said:
One more try JJ.

If, as you say in your conspiracy theory, Jones (and O`Brien) turned a blind eye because they thought Brand was `one of our own`, how do you excuse everybody else on the right and centre at the time who were associated with him turning a blind eye?

What was their reason for not dobbing Brand in?
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And one more time...

It's not my conspiracy theory, I didn't say I bought it, only mentioned why people were defending him in the article of the op, as it's become political.

I honestly have no idea what's gone or, whether the allegations are true or false.

At the time all this was going on he was very much on the left, who was on the right that he associated with back then? He worked for channel 4 etc, where were they on this back then?

I also haven't said people turned a blind eye, I've posted a comedian, who is very much to the left, saying it was well known on the circuit etc basically an open secret according to him, so if so why didn't anyone do or say anything?

They're all coming out the woodwork now to say things they apparently knew back then, but did nothing about.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I’ve never actually said what you’re implying. Left equals sensible. Right equals nutters. I’m very aware people can hop from one side to the other and then back again - left/right: sensible/nutter.

As for the due process point, you’ve swerved my point 3. People can be knobs even if that doesn’t amount to a criminal offence. Should that be called out or not? I think so. But am not sure.
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You mentioned about boxes and the right being loons.

I haven't swerved anything.

Maybe he was just a knob, which can reflect badly on him but is nowhere near the serious allegations he's had put to him.

We'll just have to see what comes out about it through a proper process.
 
JJpool said:
You mentioned about boxes and the right being loons.

I haven't swerved anything.

Maybe he was just a knob, which can reflect badly on him but is nowhere near the serious allegations he's had put to him.

We'll just have to see what comes out about it through a proper process.
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I think I referred to Absolute Loons. Not Right Loons.

This is the problem when you embrace victimhood. You can’t see when people are agreeing with you.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Here’s a new game.

Who is on the backlist?

www.lbc.co.uk

Female comedians set up 'WhatsApp group to warn each other about predatory behaviour’

Women working the UK comedy circuit have set up a WhatsApp group blacklist to warn each other of male stars’ predatory behaviour, it has emerged today.
www.lbc.co.uk www.lbc.co.uk
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Fielding, Walliams and Hardeep Koli are three. Without claiming to be particularly ITK, there have been rumours on the circuit for years... Koli has active investigations, Fielding allegations seem to all be 10+ years ago and Walliams has spent a fortune on lawyers. Allegedly.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
The point is Absolute Loons could be left or right. And that was made clear.

But you decided to interpret it one way.
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Well you put it in this order left vs right, then said sensible vs Loons.

So surely that's normal to interpret it that way, plus given your political leanings it's what people would think, surely...

Anyway whatever, I'm off to shout at traffic.
 
spudgun said:
Putting people into convenient left and right boxes, and concluding that other people will support someone from the same wing, and even more, will overlook serious misdemeanours because of some partisan affiliation is nonsense.

Lala was right to challenge your post.

I personally have never looked at anyone and judged them on whether they are left, right or centre. And I would suspect most people don`t subscribe to your footballification of culture....
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It may not be right/left wing, but conspiracy theorists who believe in some of his more recent rants are certainly all sticking by him. It feeds into their lunacy.
 
spudgun said:
Yep, it`s only a hop, skip and a jump from MSM, to deep state, to any conspiracy you like.

It is always a nexus of events (which unsurprisingly is the name of a tin-foil hat magazine that has been around for 20 years or more).

When you talk to a conspiracy theorist (a pal of mine is a fully paid up one) they flit from one theory to another without drawing breath, convinced they are all interlinked.

It`s like one of those kids books where they have to join up the dots.

That`s what people like Brand do to the gullible...
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Spot on
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It’s possible to see what Brand is, without the need for a jury trial though ffs. Anyone who’s paid the slightest bit of attention to his behaviour would be well aware that he’s a vile, narcissist who engages is predatory sexual behaviour. I’ve been telling a couple of my kids recently that he’s a complete wrong-un long before this came out…. He’s got away with a lot because he’s good looking and funny, but he’s regularly let his mask slip.

The phone call to Andrew Sachs on its own is evidence enough of what a depraved individual he is.
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I disagree…he isn’t good looking….most of the Moretti Lounge boys are far prettier
 
Do i think some influential and powerful people might want to shut down his message - yes

Do I think the timing of this feels a little contrived - yes

Do I think he's a misogynist serial abuser of women - yes
 
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