Interesting article - Russell Brand related

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www.spectator.co.uk

The ‘naive cynicism’ of Russell Brand’s hasty defenders

Russell Brand has been accused of a range of offences – which he vehemently denies – by several different women
www.spectator.co.uk www.spectator.co.uk

Yes, Russell Brand related, but this is news and fair game.
A criminal investigation is now underway as a woman has approached the police regarding an assault as early as 2003.
Not one of the four ladies already reported on in Dispatches.

This article is particularly insightful for all the bill40’s walking this earth.

There will never be a day when some women aren’t too afraid, stressed or damaged to report sexual crimes carried out against them. But at least let’s hear out those that do.
 
Lala said:
www.spectator.co.uk

The ‘naive cynicism’ of Russell Brand’s hasty defenders

Russell Brand has been accused of a range of offences – which he vehemently denies – by several different women
www.spectator.co.uk www.spectator.co.uk

Yes, Russell Brand related, but this is news and fair game.
A criminal investigation is now underway as a woman has approached the police regarding an assault as early as 2003.
Not one of the four ladies already reported on in Dispatches.

This article is particularly insightful for all the bill40’s walking this earth.

There will never be a day when some women aren’t too afraid, stressed or damaged to report sexual crimes carried out against them. But at least let’s hear out those that do.
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Very interesting Lala

Also whilst we are here, why have they not also investigated the illegal trafficking by Maxwell deeper? All those girls were going somewhere but not one arrest yet or Dispatches type documentary?
 
Chunkylad said:
Very interesting Lala

Also whilst we are here, why have they not also investigated the illegal trafficking by Maxwell deeper? All those girls were going somewhere but not one arrest yet or Dispatches type documentary?
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I can‘t answer that.

In this case a crime has now been reported and an investigation will rightly take place. Guilty or innocent it’s the right thing to happen when a crime is reported.

If only the media were brave and honest enough to pull together a Jimmy Saville type investigation and air it when he was alive. It may have stopped some of the damage and trauma he caused.

That’s what’s so annoying, when people immediately dismiss these claims, like we have learnt absolutely nothing at all.
 
Lala said:
www.spectator.co.uk

The ‘naive cynicism’ of Russell Brand’s hasty defenders

Russell Brand has been accused of a range of offences – which he vehemently denies – by several different women
www.spectator.co.uk www.spectator.co.uk

Yes, Russell Brand related, but this is news and fair game.
A criminal investigation is now underway as a woman has approached the police regarding an assault as early as 2003.
Not one of the four ladies already reported on in Dispatches.

This article is particularly insightful for all the bill40’s walking this earth.

There will never be a day when some women aren’t too afraid, stressed or damaged to report sexual crimes carried out against them. But at least let’s hear out those that do.
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I don't gravitate to these sort of stories as a rule and this is no different. I am interested however, in the knowledge that you read the Spectator.
 
Other than "fame" I don't see what he had going for him.

He was always an absolute fraud.

I do wonder whether he has tried to groom the gullable knowing this was going to come out and has positioned himself deliberately to be a "truth speaker" "they" "want to silence" as a way to get support.

Excuse the PLF type "quotation" marks even though they are used appropriately!!
 
TSSeasider said:
I do wonder whether he has tried to groom the gullable knowing this was going to come out and has positioned himself deliberately to be a "truth speaker" "they" "want to silence" as a way to get support.
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That has been said a lot today on various programs.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
The Spectator article concerns “naïve cynicism” and is critical about how some conspiracy theorists see the words “main stream media” and automatically think “establishment cover up”.

And as if to prove the point, that’s precisely what posters on here then proceed to do.
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Yep, it`s only a hop, skip and a jump from MSM, to deep state, to any conspiracy you like.

It is always a nexus of events (which unsurprisingly is the name of a tin-foil hat magazine that has been around for 20 years or more).

When you talk to a conspiracy theorist (a pal of mine is a fully paid up one) they flit from one theory to another without drawing breath, convinced they are all interlinked.

It`s like one of those kids books where they have to join up the dots.

That`s what people like Brand do to the gullible...
 
TSSeasider said:
I do wonder whether he has tried to groom the gullable knowing this was going to come out and has positioned himself deliberately to be a "truth speaker" "they" "want to silence" as a way to get support.
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Even he, now seemingly convinced of his infallibility, can't rewrite the past...

"What kind of man was I? Treating women in this way?
If this is what I'm telling you, can you imagine what's being left out?"

(From his "Booky Wook 2")
 
I can’t see how these allegations are going to be proved, basIcally it’s its word against theirs. Whatever happens, his reputation is massively damaged.
 
I watched him perform in Blackpool 2008/09 ish. He's extremely confident. Within the 1st 2 minutes he announced that he had a hotel room and was available for sex and asked any women who were interested to meet after the show in the bar. At the end of the performance there was about 10 women talking to him. He clearly was never short of women to join him in bed.
 
Matesrates said:
I can’t see how these allegations are going to be proved, basIcally it’s its word against theirs. Whatever happens, his reputation is massively damaged.
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It will be tricky for sure but who knows what evidence or witnesses there may be in one guise or other.

In the rape case there is obviously some form of evidence from the rape crisis centre and the text messages and a witness who heard the woman screaming. Though this isn’t the case being investigated obviously.

Time will tell. There are a number of other women whom have also come forward apparently, if any of these also lead to criminal investigations it could be a long hard slog ahead for the police, the victims and for Brand.
 
groundsman said:
I watched him perform in Blackpool 2008/09 ish. He's extremely confident. Within the 1st 2 minutes he announced that he had a hotel room and was available for sex and asked any women who were interested to meet after the show in the bar. At the end of the performance there was about 10 women talking to him. He clearly was never short of women to join him in bed.
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He certainly wasn’t. But consensual ‘arrangements’ aren’t under investigation.
 
Lala said:
It will be tricky for sure but who knows what evidence or witnesses there may be in one guise or other.

In the rape case there is obviously some form of evidence from the rape crisis centre and the text messages and a witness who heard the woman screaming. Though this isn’t the case being investigated obviously.

Time will tell. There are a number of other women whom have also come forward apparently, if any of these also lead to criminal investigations it could be a long hard slog ahead for the police, the victims and for Brand.
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Once a few have bravely took the step to get involved, Im certain there will be quite a few more get involved,. There are already some 'celebrities' are calling him out.

The Andrew Sachs incident shows what an obnoxious ** he is.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Once a few have bravely took the step to get involved, Im certain there will be quite a few more get involved,. There are already some 'celebrities' are calling him out.

The Andrew Sachs incident shows what an obnoxious ** he is.
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He’s a vile gross narcissistic sexual predator, at the very least.

www.independent.co.uk

This is why Russell Brand’s accusers are only talking about it now | Jessica Taylor

Why now, ask the doubters. For many reasons, says psychologist Dr Jessica Taylor – and it’s got nothing to do with fame or money
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
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Lala said:
It will be tricky for sure but who knows what evidence or witnesses there may be in one guise or other.

In the rape case there is obviously some form of evidence from the rape crisis centre and the text messages and a witness who heard the woman screaming. Though this isn’t the case being investigated obviously.

Time will tell. There are a number of other women whom have also come forward apparently, if any of these also lead to criminal investigations it could be a long hard slog ahead for the police, the victims and for Brand.
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Let’s hope he gets what’s coming to him, if he is indeed guilty.
 
Halifax71 said:
And there you have it - if he's guilty. This trend of trial by media has to stop.

Let justice take it's proper journey.

Report to the police

Investigate, and charge where applicable.

Trial
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I’ve got a lot of sympathy with that view.

But what about reprehensible, but non criminal, behaviour by a celebrity? Say bullying, coercive, predatory or general dickhead behaviour. Should that be made public? Or brushed under the carpet?

(I’m not talking about sex between consenting adults even if it’s a form of sex that most of us would find unappealing. That should remain private imo).
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I’ve got a lot of sympathy with that view.

But what about reprehensible, but non criminal, behaviour by a celebrity? Say bullying, coercive, predatory or general dickhead behaviour. Should that be made public? Or brushed under the carpet?

(I’m not talking about sex between consenting adults even if it’s a form of sex that most of us would find unappealing. That should remain private imo).
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I'm just sick of people believing one side on the basis of no smoke without fire.

Many on here were similarly scathing of Bez, and like it or not there was a reason Mason Greenwood isn't being prosecuted.

Comments such as the above - "vile gross narcissistic sexual predator", ruin people's lives before they've had the chance to defend themselves.
 
Halifax71 said:
I'm just sick of people believing one side on the basis of no smoke without fire.

Many on here were similarly scathing of Bez, and like it or not there was a reason Mason Greenwood isn't being prosecuted.

Comments such as the above - "vile gross narcissistic sexual predator", ruin people's lives before they've had the chance to defend themselves.
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He is those things I’ve said though. No trial needed for that. His own admissions support that view without the criminal element that is now revealing itself.
 
Halifax71 said:
I'm just sick of people believing one side on the basis of no smoke without fire.

Many on here were similarly scathing of Bez, and like it or not there was a reason Mason Greenwood isn't being prosecuted.

Comments such as the above - "vile gross narcissistic sexual predator", ruin people's lives before they've had the chance to defend themselves.
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It’s possible to see what Brand is, without the need for a jury trial though ffs. Anyone who’s paid the slightest bit of attention to his behaviour would be well aware that he’s a vile, narcissist who engages is predatory sexual behaviour. I’ve been telling a couple of my kids recently that he’s a complete wrong-un long before this came out…. He’s got away with a lot because he’s good looking and funny, but he’s regularly let his mask slip.

The phone call to Andrew Sachs on its own is evidence enough of what a depraved individual he is.
 
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What I don't like about these 'investigations' by newspapers and tv production companies is that it's all about making money - they don't really care about the girls who have come forward and their welfare, they're happy to sell newspapers and get audience viewing figures. Not to mention that playing devil's advocate, if Brand is innocent of the accusations, he's been annihilated, humiliated and already judged as guilty in the press and any form of career and probably marriage and friendships are well and truly over.

I don't have a lot of time for Brand, and perhaps he is finally a victim of what he made a living doing in the 90's and 00's, but the way trial by modern media is done isn't right.

I hope justice is served properly in the end.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It’s possible to see what Brand is, without the need for a jury trial though ffs. Anyone who’s paid the slightest bit of attention to his behaviour would be well aware that he’s a vile, narcissistic who engages is predatory sexual behaviour. I’ve been telling a couple of my kids recently that he’s a complete wrong-un long before this came out…. He’s got away with a lot because he’s good looking and funny, but he’s regularly let his mask slip.

The phone call to Andrew Sachs on its own is evidence enough of what a depraved individual he is.
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It's not illegal to be a horrible person. Let the police do their job, at least now it's finally been reported. Once found guilty then so be it. I'd rather wait, like I did with Bez, and I was very much in the minority there.
 
Halifax71 said:
It's not illegal to be a horrible person. Let the police do their job, at least now it's finally been reported. Once found guilty then so be it. I'd rather wait, like I did with Bez, and I was very much in the minority there.
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I’m not saying it is illegal… I’m simply stating that him bring a vile, narcissistic, sexual predator is blatantly obvious.

Whether he’s also engaged in illegal behaviour is a matter for the law, but I would be very surprised if he hadn’t crossed the line at some point.

Hopefully there’ll be sufficient evidence to get a conviction, but if not I’d hope his career is sufficiently tarnished to fuck him over well and proper 👍

Cunts like him don’t deserve to earn a living out of their hypocrisy imo.
 
His stand up material alone endorsed the degradation of women, sexually.

That’s enough for me to find him vile, obnoxious, misogynistic and dangerous.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Good article here about how the culture of the 00s let him get away with it (and how different it was to the 90s, where he wouldn't have)

www.theguardian.com

The nasty noughties: Russell Brand and the era of sadistic tabloid misogyny

At the turn of the century, the tabloid press was untouchable – and women in the public eye faced ceaseless persecution. We are still grappling with the fallout today
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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It’s a good article that, and very true. In the 00’s the culture changed and women were supposed to be more accepting of misogynistic behaviour, to appear cool.

Repelling it made you appear a prude or just not down with the lads and the mood at the time.

Players like Brand used that as an ‘in’ to hone their already predatory behaviour into acceptable comedy, and we see now, probably worse.
 
groundsman said:
I watched him perform in Blackpool 2008/09 ish. He's extremely confident. Within the 1st 2 minutes he announced that he had a hotel room and was available for sex and asked any women who were interested to meet after the show in the bar. At the end of the performance there was about 10 women talking to him. He clearly was never short of women to join him in bed.
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That has been obvious for a while given his persona and I have known a few women who fancied him. I wonder if any of those women are among those who might now be considering making a complaint.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he has done all the things alleged but I think it prudent to wait for a proper investigation rather than trial by social media and the press.
 
Lala said:
It’s a good article that, and very true. In the 00’s the culture changed and women were supposed to be more accepting of misogynistic behaviour, to appear cool.

Repelling it made you appear a prude or just not down with the lads and the mood at the time.

Players like Brand used that as an ‘in’ to hone their already predatory behaviour into acceptable comedy, and we see now, probably worse.
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The media of the time helped propagate that, with Brand encouraged to behave as he did in an 'anti-establishment' way. The same media are now selling their strories about this behaviour.

Just from seeing what my 16 year old daughter gets exposed to on social media, I would say there's still a big attitude with young lads now, if not worse than the 2000's , of what they expect girls to do and be like, but also how girls post and behave. Some would say it's empowering for them, others would say it's appealing to the lowest common denominator.
 
Halifax71 said:
I'm just sick of people believing one side on the basis of no smoke without fire.

Many on here were similarly scathing of Bez, and like it or not there was a reason Mason Greenwood isn't being prosecuted.

Comments such as the above - "vile gross narcissistic sexual predator", ruin people's lives before they've had the chance to defend themselves.
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And again I’ve got a lot of sympathy with that view as well.

The careers of Huw Edwards and Philip Schofield are in tatters. But as far as I’m aware neither of them are facing criminal charges.

By contrast the media and posters on here are largely silent about Dan Wootton.

And to a degree that seems to be the point. People’s reaction to an expose often seems to depend on how they view the individual whose behaviour has been exposed. Do they like him or her or not?
 
Junior_BentsPlatformShoes said:
What I don't like about these 'investigations' by newspapers and tv production companies is that it's all about making money - they don't really care about the girls who have come forward and their welfare, they're happy to sell newspapers and get audience viewing figures. Not to mention that playing devil's advocate, if Brand is innocent of the accusations, he's been annihilated, humiliated and already judged as guilty in the press and any form of career and probably marriage and friendships are well and truly over.

I don't have a lot of time for Brand, and perhaps he is finally a victim of what he made a living doing in the 90's and 00's, but the way trial by modern media is done isn't right.

I hope justice is served properly in the end.
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I think that’s an extremely cynical perspective tbh. As I see it, these types of investigation are actually examples of where the MSM are acting in the Public interest. It’s precisely what they should be doing.

The public has been woefully failed in the past, due to wilful ignorance and the failure to investigate and report these types of crimes.

The media has also played an important roll in ultimately seeing justice done in a range of important cases over the years. It’s their job..

People get arsed because (in this instance) the protagonist is a famous person, but don’t seem to care quite so much if we’re talking about the killers of Stephen Lawrence.

At the end of the day, if you behave like a complete **, then at some point it’s going to come back and bite you on the arse.
 
The way I see it, is the big corporations that employed and encouraged Brand's behaviour are now trying to cover their backs, whilst other media are trying to cash in with the stories and coverage. Why did they not first encourage these women to go to the police? They want the story, nothing else.

So yes I am very cynical - they don't care about the public ( What effect has Brand had on me or you?) but only the viewing figures and public perception of their organisations.

I do agree with your last sentence though.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I think that’s an extremely cynical perspective tbh. As I see it, these types of investigation are actually examples of where the MSM are acting in the Public interest. It’s precisely what they should be doing.

The public has been woefully failed in the past, due to wilful ignorance and the failure to investigate and report these types of crimes.

The media has also played an important roll in ultimately seeing justice done in a range of important cases over the years. It’s their job..

People get arsed because (in this instance) the protagonist is a famous person, but don’t seem to care quite so much if we’re talking about the killers of Stephen Lawrence.

At the end of the day, if you behave like a complete **, then at some point it’s going to come back and bite you on the arse.
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Difficult to know where to draw the line though isn’t it?

Huw Edwards was originally outed over what appears to have been a sexual arrangement between consenting adults. Now you and I might not have found the arrangement attractive, but it was purely consensual and not criminal. So I’m not sure the media had any right to stick it’s nose in.

That said, it was also revealed that Edwards had a habit of sending suggestive emails that co-workers found intimidating. Bearing in mind his public status I’m more open to the suggestion that that sort of behaviour should have been exposed.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Difficult to know where to draw the line though isn’t it?

Huw Edwards was originally outed over what appears to have been a sexual arrangement between consenting adults. Now you and I might not have found the arrangement attractive, but it was purely consensual and not criminal. So I’m not sure the media had any right to stick it’s nose in.

That said, it was also revealed that Edwards had a habit of sending suggestive emails that co-workers found intimidating. Bearing in mind his public status I’m more open to the suggestion that that sort of behaviour should have been exposed.
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Edwards was a reactionary publication that wasn’t properly investigated, based on a single ‘allegation’. It was also (at least apparently) out of character. That said some of his behaviour has probably crossed a line as you say.

I see a world of difference with this Brand investigation.
 
Lala said:
He’s a vile gross narcissistic sexual predator, at the very least.

www.independent.co.uk

This is why Russell Brand’s accusers are only talking about it now | Jessica Taylor

Why now, ask the doubters. For many reasons, says psychologist Dr Jessica Taylor – and it’s got nothing to do with fame or money
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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Have to say it’s anathema to me how he’s been able to wield some kind of weird power over so many women. He’s just utterly foul, both aesthetically and intrinsically. The sooner he’s not in a position to take advantage of people, the better….
 
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