Is Yates now 4th choice!

TimperleyTangerine said:
The question is how many more poor games. I don’t see why he keeps starting, at the expense of Jerry.

He has little impact on the team, not particularly quick, poor passing and finishing.

Is it because he’s from Arsenal and England u23 that NC is selecting him - if he was on loan from a lesser club I don’t think he’d be selected. Maybe it’s NC that places importance on himself as a coach, being able to develop the lad.

The difference to Simms is huge, we saw him learning very quickly.

There are plenty of very similar players out there in his age group. I don’t see him making it at Arsenal.
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Interesting that Simms hasn't yet made the England U21s, and JJ has. Simms has also yet to play above League One level. I think you're reaching rushed conclusions tbh. We see it every day on here, to be fair.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
I`m afraid the rubbish is all from you as this season has already shown and will continue to show,always assuming NC thinks he`s actually worth his place which is beginning to look doubtful now. I will be amazed if he even gets half as many goals as he scored in the lower division last season.
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Bookmarked till the end of the season 😄👍
 
voyeur said:
Interesting that Simms hasn't yet made the England U21s, and JJ has. Simms has also yet to play above League One level. I think you're reaching rushed conclusions tbh. We see it every day on here, to be fair.
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Fair point, but I suspect the fact that he’s at Arsenal might play into that. Simms strikes me as a player with lots of scope. However, the point is about Jerry not stating.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
Fair point, but I suspect the fact that he’s at Arsenal might play into that. Simms strikes me as a player with lots of scope. However, the point is about Jerry not stating.
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I don't really buy into this Arsenal bias at England level tbh. The England coaches will know all the lads at the main academies and beyond, and will simply want the best to attend England training and represent us in matches. Are Liverpool U21s overlooked? TJJ is highly rated. He's trying to get to grips with senior football in a very physical division and gas only had a handful of games yet. Conclusions are reached far too quickly on here. Same with Jerry. A poster declared that Dougall isn't good enough for this level a week or two ago. We also had people saying Keshi wasn't up to the Championship a couple of weeks ago.
 
voyeur said:
I don't really buy into this Arsenal bias at England level tbh. The England coaches will know all the lads at the main academies and beyond, and will simply want the best to attend England training and represent us in matches. Are Liverpool U21s overlooked? TJJ is highly rated. He's trying to get to grips with senior football in a very physical division and gas only had a handful of games yet. Conclusions are reached far too quickly on here. Same with Jerry. A poster declared that Dougall isn't good enough for this level a week or two ago. We also had people saying Keshi wasn't up to the Championship a couple of weeks ago.
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The point I was attempting to make, is that had Simms been at one of the top 4, he’d have been in & around the England set up. Just for reference, 3 of the 6 forwards in the last u21 squad were owned by Arsenal, one by Liverpool.

I agree entirely about people jumping to conclusions, and all 3 of those you mention would always be on my team sheet. I’d just rather see Jerry out there, in place of TJJ. He is learning his trade, but potentially at the expense of Jerry and the good of the team.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
The point I was attempting to make, is that had Simms been at one of the top 4, he’d have been in & around the England set up. Just for reference, 3 of the 6 forwards in the last u21 squad were owned by Arsenal, one by Liverpool.

I agree entirely about people jumping to conclusions, and all 3 of those you mention would always be on my team sheet. I’d just rather see Jerry out there, in place of TJJ. He is learning his trade, but potentially at the expense of Jerry and the good of the team.
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Fair did, but I think Critch wants the same things that we do. Jerry is getting plenty of game time. I suspect he'll play Tuesday. I don't think there's an issue.
 
No, Yates is not 4th choice. I think Critch has a plan for everyone to be first choice but on different days XI of the squad will be more first choice than others.
 
voyeur said:
I don't really buy into this Arsenal bias at England level tbh. The England coaches will know all the lads at the main academies and beyond, and will simply want the best to attend England training and represent us in matches. Are Liverpool U21s overlooked? TJJ is highly rated. He's trying to get to grips with senior football in a very physical division and gas only had a handful of games yet. Conclusions are reached far too quickly on here. Same with Jerry. A poster declared that Dougall isn't good enough for this level a week or two ago. We also had people saying Keshi wasn't up to the Championship a couple of weeks ago.
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The only people I’ve seen that are unready so far this season have been some of the posters on here
 
Said it last season when there was a plague of people saying Jerry would not make double figures ...and I will say it this ...he will easily make double figures this season .. ( if no injuries of course) Nailed on !
 
AndrewDuncanSmith said:
We only have 3 strikers at the club we need at least 2 more in the next transfer window.
John-Jules doesn t score goals
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agree, so far he's not looked likely to score and how many assists. I still think out of what we've got Lavery and Yates can work together. Lavery operating on the left side up front and Yates on the right. He scored a fair few last season coming in on the back right hand post. So as it stands he'd be my second choice with Madine third and TJJ fourth but as you say nothing has convinced me yet that TJJ is a striker.
 
Personally I would try lavery up top Yates on the left where KESHI is playing and KESHI in the TJJ role and Bowler on the right… massive work rate movement and effort across all of those and the press would really work.
Madine is a great option from the bench if we are winning as he holds the ball up and does all skullduggery and shithousery. The problem is that if starts he cannot last much beyond an hour and therefore is always going to take up one of your subs. TJJ will improve and has some lovely touches and silky skills but he looks way too lightweight and soft at the moment. He would not be in front of Jerry for me.
 
I think had we have won on Tuesday and given ourselves that nice cushion over the bottom three then I think Critch would have played Yates on Saturday but you have to get those points on the board and the manager seems to be playing to what he believes are his strengths rather than keeping players 'happy'. Don't know much about Rovers but if they're not a team of giants I'd be tempted to play him.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
I`m afraid the rubbish is all from you as this season has already shown and will continue to show,always assuming NC thinks he`s actually worth his place which is beginning to look doubtful now. I will be amazed if he even gets half as many goals as he scored in the lower division last season.
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Morning, 1950s mate. Just keeping this thread alive 😄
 
Wizzerboy said:
Just to let you know Rory McIlroy had a stormer at the weekend too 50's😁
AVFTT's very own top sports pundit🤣🤣🤣
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Wizzerboy if you remember I forecast back in 2015 all those years ago that Rory would never win another MAJOR. I think he`s failed to win just over 20 or more since my forecast.
I don`t mind criticism but only when it`s justified . I am though happy to accept the title you have wisely bestowed on me. :)
 
1950`spoolfan said:
Wizzerboy if you remember I forecast back in 2015 all those years ago that Rory would never win another MAJOR. I think he`s failed to win just over 20 or more since my forecast.
I don`t mind criticism but only when it`s justified . I am though happy to accept the title you have wisely bestowed on me. :)
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McIlroy, only the 6th player to win 20 pga titles on or before his 32nd birthday.
Nicklaus, Woods, Casper, Mickelson and Palmer the others.
Not bad company eh and suggests hes not as bad a golfer as you keep banging on about.
Just saying😉
 
Wizzerboy said:
McIlroy, only the 6th player to win 20 pga titles on or before his 32nd birthday.
Nicklaus, Woods, Casper, Mickelson and Palmer the others.
Not bad company eh and suggests hes not as bad a golfer as you keep banging on about.
Just saying😉
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Alt 50's wants to talk about is his own prediction of McIlroy. He prefers to do that rather than acknowledge that McIlroy still produced an outstanding performance to win another PGA title and join the illustrious company that you mention.
 
Wizzerboy said:
McIlroy, only the 6th player to win 20 pga titles on or before his 32nd birthday.
Nicklaus, Woods, Casper, Mickelson and Palmer the others.
Not bad company eh and suggests hes not as bad a golfer as you keep banging on about.
Just saying😉
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20togo said:
Alt 50's wants to talk about is his own prediction of McIlroy. He prefers to do that rather than acknowledge that McIlroy still produced an outstanding performance to win another PGA title and join the illustrious company that you mention.
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No you`re both completely wrong about my opinion of McIlroy.

He is as I`ve said before a hugely talented golfer but I saw the signs back in 2015 that he had started to struggle when the pressure and expectations were at their highest which is of course in the Majors and anyone who has closely and honestly followed his career since cannot deny this has consistently been the case letting him down in the Majors since then all of which he has failed to win or even get close to winning mostly.

I would really love him to win another major but he has to deal with the greater pressure they generate for him in recent years if he is going to do it which he now finds extremely difficult..

Jack Nicklaus who thrived on pressure once said Majors were the easiest tournaments for him to win because so many failed to produce their best in those tournaments. It`s all to do with pressure and psychology and how you deal with it in the most important tournaments.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
No you`re both completely wrong about my opinion of McIlroy.

He is as I`ve said before a hugely talented golfer but I saw the signs back in 2015 that he had started to struggle when the pressure and expectations were at their highest which is of course in the Majors and anyone who has closely and honestly followed his career since cannot deny this has consistently been the case letting him down in the Majors since then all of which he has failed to win or even get close to winning mostly.

I would really love him to win another major but he has to deal with the greater pressure they generate for him in recent years if he is going to do it which he now finds extremely difficult..

Jack Nicklaus who thrived on pressure once said Majors were the easiest tournaments for him to win because so many failed to produce their best in those tournaments. It`s all to do with pressure and psychology and how you deal with it in the most important tournaments.
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nonsense. Nicklaus is talking about a different era of the game. You fail to acknowledge that even in the last six years the game has changed. Many players now hitting the ball as long as McIlroy and a whole host of new players on the scene with just as much natural ability as him. It's never easy to win a major, in fact because golf has probably never been stronger in terms of the numbers around, winning a major is a lot harder than it was back in Nicklaus day. But ultimately, it's still all about YOU putting him down at every opportunity because even now you still fail to acknowledge a great performance from him this last weekend. Major or not!.
 
voyeur said:
It's good to see 20s branching out with his arguments though. 🤠
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It wasn't me who resurrected the thread or first mentioned McIlroy.
voyeur said:
I thought he had gone soft when he said he was leaving the Keshi bashing. He was just switching his attentions to Rory McIlroy, apparently! 🤣
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And don't give me shiit because you know you'll get it back. I've yet to comment on your sarcastic digs at Madine. Just saying like.;)
 
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