Issues again outside the ground!

Keglersuper

Keglersuper

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I don’t know what it’s going to take to sort it out, but yet again issues with away fans on Bloomfield Rd! Very strange the low numbers of police Stoke fans have always been a handful so should there not have been more police
 
Keglersuper said:
I don’t know what it’s going to take to sort it out, but yet again issues with away fans on Bloomfield Rd! Very strange the low numbers of police Stoke fans have always been a handful so should there not have been more police
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As long as they allow away fans to walk past the Armfield club in large groups singing and taking the piss it will always kick off.
 
Spoke to the officer who organises it all, seems a nice chap.

Here he is.

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Yep totally agree can't let thick as fuck football fans take responsibility ti's why you can't trust us with safe standing and drinking on the terraces
 
Does the club pay for the police presence outside? Walked across Bloomfield Road 10 minutes after the end of the game. Could hear Stoke fans but not see any.
 
Cuthbert said:
Does the club pay for the police presence outside? Walked across Bloomfield Road 10 minutes after the end of the game. Could hear Stoke fans but not see any.
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Only pay for police inside the stadium I believe. There was a bit of an issue a few years back where the police and clubs couldn’t come to an agreement re. who pays so now you see a lot less police inside the ground than you used too.
 
A couple of of weeks ago The Seasiders Podcast team said they were going to be asking the SLO and a police representative onto the programme for a discussion.
Not heard them mention it since.
 
Upwards said:
Did anything actually happen?
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Does it need to? You ever heard the saying proactive rather than reactive? It’s been said a million times but it’s a serious incident waiting to happen. Stoke fans have always been notorious for trouble, it felt like it could of easily kicked off leaving the ground last night
 
Contrast that with the approach of the policy e at sheffield - no problems at all.
I have to say that some of fans are sometimes a problem as much as away fans
 
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Pauls_Boutique said:
Folk could always just make their way back to their cars, coaches and trains without being dicks?

I’m in my mid-40s and have been watching football since the 80s and have so far managed to avoid ever being in bother at a match.
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Exactly 👍🏼 The ones looking for trouble will often find it…… as I have found to my cost over the years
 
Hankey2009 said:
Does it need to? You ever heard the saying proactive rather than reactive? It’s been said a million times but it’s a serious incident waiting to happen. Stoke fans have always been notorious for trouble, it felt like it could of easily kicked off leaving the ground last night
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Blimey, I was only asking, I was just wondering if there had been an incident. You're correct it is an accident waiting to happen.
 
I started off the post after the Preston game about the terrible policing.

I filled in an online complaint form on the Lancashire Police website, and asked for a reply.

I've not even had an acknowledgement yet.

Before I retired I had good working relationships with senior police officers, including 2 chief constables.

I'm afraid that staffing shortages certainly wasn't an issue at the Preston game. There must have been scores of coppers on duty. The point was the ineptitude of the senior officers in charge.

When I get a reply I'll share it - and I will get a reply as I'll keep on at them until I do.
 
We need to get the East Stand redeveloped and design it so they leave heading towards the Esso station. Then the police can herd them back to the railway station/coaches via the back road. Avoid Bloomfield Road/Armfield Stand/Armfield Club/Bloomfield car park. Those on coaches and trains, straight in and out that way.
 
Dougz said:
We need to get the East Stand redeveloped and design it so they leave heading towards the Esso station. Then the police can herd them back to the railway station/coaches via the back road. Avoid Bloomfield Road/Armfield Stand/Armfield Club/Bloomfield car park. Those on coaches and trains, straight in and out that way.
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Nail on head.
 
Dougz said:
We need to get the East Stand redeveloped and design it so they leave heading towards the Esso station. Then the police can herd them back to the railway station/coaches via the back road. Avoid Bloomfield Road/Armfield Stand/Armfield Club/Bloomfield car park. Those on coaches and trains, straight in and out that way.
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That is what I believe the police are supposed to be trying to do - get the away fans out in the south east corner and up bloomfield road to central drive than back towards town for coaches, trains etc. So that's why they're trying to stop home fans from the north going onto central drive. It inconveniences home fans wanting to go inland up bloomfield road, but that would really still be the case if the away fans came out on back henry street.
Last night, there were signs on seasiders way telling away fans to use foxhall and central car parks - so they're trying to stop the away fans needing to go back towards lonsdale and bloomfield car parks and the armfield.

The plan kinda makes sense, but it needs implementing properly on the ground. The flashpoint v nobbers was because home fans trying to get up bloomfield road were forced along st heliers, and the away fans went down saville because of congestion filtering to central drive.

The police need to manage this properly, and they also need to manage the car parks to stop away fans parking on the main carparks west of the ground.

Unfortunately, home fans need to avoid bloomfield road/central drive/revoe after the match. But I would anyway, TBH.
 
I don’t know how many times this has to be said, just keep them in for 10 minutes,problem solved. Also, some away fans might not want to go back to the station, some might want to spend the rest of the evening in town spending money, or even staying over.
 
TTractor said:
That is what I believe the police are supposed to be trying to do - get the away fans out in the south east corner and up bloomfield road to central drive than back towards town for coaches, trains etc. So that's why they're trying to stop home fans from the north going onto central drive. It inconveniences home fans wanting to go inland up bloomfield road, but that would really still be the case if the away fans came out on back henry street.
Last night, there were signs on seasiders way telling away fans to use foxhall and central car parks - so they're trying to stop the away fans needing to go back towards lonsdale and bloomfield car parks and the armfield.

The plan kinda makes sense, but it needs implementing properly on the ground. The flashpoint v nobbers was because home fans trying to get up bloomfield road were forced along st heliers, and the away fans went down saville because of congestion filtering to central drive.

The police need to manage this properly, and they also need to manage the car parks to stop away fans parking on the main carparks west of the ground.

Unfortunately, home fans need to avoid bloomfield road/central drive/revoe after the match. But I would anyway, TBH.
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Surely you can't though if you live that way or are parked that way. It's where pretty much all the free street parking is, plus the Bloomfield Brewhouse etc so I'll always be heading inland on Bloomfield Road after the match as will many others. I know it's a relic of bad design but surely they could easily hold away fans for a while (kettling my arse) then help them on their way North from the East to car and coach parks, B&Bs and trains. This would also avoid the embarrassing spectacle of gobby 14 year olds in knock off Stone Island who've run out of loose change to chuck on the pitch goading away fans of all ages, shapes, sizes and degrees of passivity from a nice safe distance just past the hotel.
 
There was Stokies definitely looking for it last night, I’m amazed nothing happened. If the police can’t think of a plan then quite frankly they’re a joke.
 
After the East has been built, put the away fans in half of the West Stand.
That way, those away fans heading to the bars, coaches, trains and cars on the car park can easily shepherded, and home fans have Bloomfield Road virtually to themselves.
Job done.
 
BillyLiar said:
Put the away fans at north end of east
Keep gate closed at back of north
Police line across henry st stopping away fans going towards bloomfield rd

Job done
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Said to a mate surely its possible to let the away fans out of the North East corner of the ground straight past Forbes and on to the coaches or straight down central drive to the station. Keep the gates at the back of the North closed and home fans sent on to Bloomfield Rd, then no need for both sets of fans to meet outside the Paris casino or Bloomfield Central drive junction.
 
Mark_GT said:
Surely you can't though if you live that way or are parked that way. It's where pretty much all the free street parking is, plus the Bloomfield Brewhouse etc so I'll always be heading inland on Bloomfield Road after the match as will many others. I know it's a relic of bad design but surely they could easily hold away fans for a while (kettling my arse) then help them on their way North from the East to car and coach parks, B&Bs and trains. This would also avoid the embarrassing spectacle of gobby 14 year olds in knock off Stone Island who've run out of loose change to chuck on the pitch goading away fans of all ages, shapes, sizes and degrees of passivity from a nice safe distance just past the hotel.
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Yeah, but there's always going to be some area near the ground where the away fans are managed towards, it's not possible to please everybody. Away coaches etc always parked on Central Drive so it's nothing new.
 
I was a visiting Stoke fan last night. Being sat up near the half way line it took an age to exit the stand (that needs sorting, I wouldn't like to try have to and get out in an emergency), It was still busy though when I did. Parked on the Lonsdale Rd car park I needed to turn right coming out of the away end. The Police seemed to want Stoke fans to go left to the coaches and there were a few Police in a line there sort of guiding us to the footpath to the right of the road.

Walking up behind the goal it was mixed, I saw a few younger Blackpool fans goading a handful of our lot, 2 Police horses ran at them and they stood until they realised there were about 40 Stoke fans behind them and soon scattered. Nothing happened.

Then up from.there by the lights a roar went up from a larger number of Blackpool fans singing Seasiders and they tried approach the group of Stoke fans, from up by what I assume was the Armfield Club.

The Police and horses then seemed to have a bit of a job sorting this out and it was still going on 10 minutes later as we set off on our way to the Motorway.

It's a pity in this day and age folk can't go to a game and behave themselves. It doesn't happen now much to be fair as a rule.
 
I suppose the difference we have is that away fans want to stay in Blackpool for longer than any other place in England.

It's a great day and night out.

When does a football supporter become a welcome visitor spending money in the local economy? I guess when they aren't in the ground.

Let's be fair, unless you live local, there's not a lot to entice you to stay in Stoke, Middlesbrough, Coventry and so on (and I know LCTV are showing the interesting side of some places) but most of the places we go this season aren't destinations in the normal sense of the word.

Blackpool is and therefore we need to police it differently and we should. The direction of travel is not necessarily all back on the coach as quickly as possible and nor should it be. Let them enjoy their time here, we need as many as possible to spend as much as possible.

FWIW

The Preston policing, is by some measure, the most stupid decision making I've seen - and I still find it hard to understand what they were thinking.

They need to get back to understanding the motivation of visiting fans, how home fans want to go home and the likelihood of trouble.

It really shouldn't be that difficult.
 
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TTractor said:
That is what I believe the police are supposed to be trying to do - get the away fans out in the south east corner and up bloomfield road to central drive than back towards town for coaches, trains etc. So that's why they're trying to stop home fans from the north going onto central drive. It inconveniences home fans wanting to go inland up bloomfield road, but that would really still be the case if the away fans came out on back henry street.
Last night, there were signs on seasiders way telling away fans to use foxhall and central car parks - so they're trying to stop the away fans needing to go back towards lonsdale and bloomfield car parks and the armfield.

The plan kinda makes sense, but it needs implementing properly on the ground. The flashpoint v nobbers was because home fans trying to get up bloomfield road were forced along st heliers, and the away fans went down saville because of congestion filtering to central drive.

The police need to manage this properly, and they also need to manage the car parks to stop away fans parking on the main carparks west of the ground.

Unfortunately, home fans need to avoid bloomfield road/central drive/revoe after the match. But I would anyway, TBH.
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How can fans avoid Bloomfield / central/ revoe when 100s live in the area and also park in those areas
 
Northstandsinger said:
As long as they allow away fans to walk past the Armfield club in large groups singing and taking the piss it will always kick off.
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They just won.
I heard a couple of lads taking the piss.....I just walked past them. Why would I 'kick off' with them?
 
michellebutterflyhotel said:
How can fans avoid Bloomfield / central/ revoe when 100s live in the area and also park in those areas
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But it's always been like that. There's been "bother" round central drive after games since I started going late 70s. You don't HAVE to park your car round there, and there are lots of areas that are now resident permits only anyway. People who live round there it's unfortunately always been that way and always will be. If we stopped our fans going round there looking for trouble the atmosphere might be less volatile.
 
TTractor said:
But it's always been like that. There's been "bother" round central drive after games since I started going late 70s. You don't HAVE to park your car round there, and there are lots of areas that are now resident permits only anyway. People who live round there it's unfortunately always been that way and always will be. If we stopped our fans going round there looking for trouble the atmosphere might be less volatile.
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Can't remember that much bother when we where in the Premier League with bigger crowds or maybe the fans have changed. 🤔
 
Pauls_Boutique said:
Folk could always just make their way back to their cars, coaches and trains without being dicks?

I’m in my mid-40s and have been watching football since the 80s and have so far managed to avoid ever being in bother at a match.
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I agree. Some fans just enjoy being amongst it.
I and no doubt many others can walk past the Armfield Stand without getting involved at all.
Just keep walking!
 
Agree that away entry and exit needs to be from the west…. Can take the coaches, has the car park etc and allows home fans to go inland home which the majority seem to, or north up Bloomfield, dug out up to the north corner probably the best location, but a whole lot of reorganisation and something that won’t happen till the east is done
 
Away fans coaches and cars should park on the car park near Waterloo Road end of seasiders way, also that way is blackpool south to ship them straight out of town. Get the North gate back open for home fans. Line vans across bloomfield Road allowing home fans access for 5-10mins. Keep away fans in for 5 - 10mins, then block it for home fans while police shepherd all away fans over the road, passed the travel lodge then across the park to their transport. Anyone staying in town goes down the alley behind the east waiting at a gated off area at the north east where when the coast is clear are released to make their way into town
 
Blackpool Are Back! said:
A couple of of weeks ago The Seasiders Podcast team said they were going to be asking the SLO and a police representative onto the programme for a discussion.
Not heard them mention it since.
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Tim asked Seasiders Police and they confirmed they were up for coming on, but needed to get the OK to do so.

I’ve not heard owt since but will check.
 
What confused me was that they blocked the road off outside travelodge but not the other end. Cars still coming down but then stuck in the road.
 
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