It wasn't a foul, it wasn't a penalty, and it million percent wasn't a sending off

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1953+1

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Not my words but the words of our own legend Ian Evatt. Don't really know what he was watching but there is no way that wasn't a penalty. Red card perhaps was a bit harsh but you win some you lose some. He also claimed that Santos was goal side. Methinks he might be losing it a bit.
Ref was terrible as usual, but for once we got a ref who seemed to favour us. That hasn't happened in a long time so tough sheet ( sorry about the pun) Mr Evatt.
 
1953+1 said:
Not my words but the words of our own legend Ian Evatt. Don't really know what he was watching but there is no way that wasn't a penalty. Red card perhaps was a bit harsh but you win some you lose some. He also claimed that Santos was goal side. Methinks he might be losing it a bit.
Ref was terrible as usual, but for once we got a ref who seemed to favour us. That hasn't happened in a long time so tough sheet ( sorry about the pun) Mr Evatt.
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Considering the occasion and atmosphere I thought ref did well. He was one of a very few to offer protection to Dembele.
 
1953+1 said:
Not my words but the words of our own legend Ian Evatt. Don't really know what he was watching but there is no way that wasn't a penalty. Red card perhaps was a bit harsh but you win some you lose some. He also claimed that Santos was goal side. Methinks he might be losing it a bit.
Ref was terrible as usual, but for once we got a ref who seemed to favour us. That hasn't happened in a long time so tough sheet ( sorry about the pun) Mr Evatt.
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premier league ref.
 
1953+1 said:
Not my words but the words of our own legend Ian Evatt. Don't really know what he was watching but there is no way that wasn't a penalty. Red card perhaps was a bit harsh but you win some you lose some. He also claimed that Santos was goal side. Methinks he might be losing it a bit.
Ref was terrible as usual, but for once we got a ref who seemed to favour us. That hasn't happened in a long time so tough sheet ( sorry about the pun) Mr Evatt.
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It was a tackle from behind that grounded our player. It was a foul. It was in the area so that made it a penalty. It did not deserve a card of either colour.
 
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1953+1 said:
Not my words but the words of our own legend Ian Evatt. Don't really know what he was watching but there is no way that wasn't a penalty. Red card perhaps was a bit harsh but you win some you lose some. He also claimed that Santos was goal side. Methinks he might be losing it a bit.
Ref was terrible as usual, but for once we got a ref who seemed to favour us. That hasn't happened in a long time so tough sheet ( sorry about the pun) Mr Evatt.
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There's multiple highlights on here off twitter, but also including on TTV they do a slo-mo of the incident and it's clear as day, takes him out.
 
1953+1 said:
Not my words but the words of our own legend Ian Evatt. Don't really know what he was watching but there is no way that wasn't a penalty. Red card perhaps was a bit harsh but you win some you lose some. He also claimed that Santos was goal side. Methinks he might be losing it a bit.
Ref was terrible as usual, but for once we got a ref who seemed to favour us. That hasn't happened in a long time so tough sheet ( sorry about the pun) Mr Evatt.
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Ref wasn't terrible and didn't favour anyone, he just got the majority of decisions correct.
 
1953+1 said:
Not my words but the words of our own legend Ian Evatt. Don't really know what he was watching but there is no way that wasn't a penalty. Red card perhaps was a bit harsh but you win some you lose some. He also claimed that Santos was goal side. Methinks he might be losing it a bit.
Ref was terrible as usual, but for once we got a ref who seemed to favour us. That hasn't happened in a long time so tough sheet ( sorry about the pun) Mr Evatt.
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Evatt is always going to side with Bolton as whatever we may think he’s their manager now & not one of our defenders. Probably rather pissed off too. 😂
 
Dr Hfuhruhurr said:
Possibly Bertha but that not being given is a direct effect of every fker diving at the slightest opportunity. Every player is guilty of that. Ours as well. Its the culture. Officials have been sh*t this season mind you but who’d be a ref in the modern game,
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TBH Dr I thought that was more of a stonewall pen than the one that was given ,but what do I know ,would Ilike to be ref ,would I bollox.
 
No problem with what Evatt said its what managers do after a defeat but it will be interesting to see if the red card gets rescinded
 
JJpool said:
I see you've been out in force tweeting at Bolton 😂

https://twitter.com/x/status/1761697560027107379

Their players and manager kicking off....He got the ball ... how?

Joseph must be a hologram and he went through him.
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Also 2 feet in the air. I saw Bolton fans using that picture to argue it wasn't a penalty. That picture confirms a sending off and a penalty was the correct decision.
 
It was a defo pen and to me a red but let that debate rumble. What needs to be recognised but should never be accepted is that the officiating in L1 is quite simply appalling and carried out by clowns who probably have never played the game. At the end of the day all clubs and their fans have a cause to complain as the standard is that crap with the occasional exception but thats football.
 
Evatt was sent off for a far less severe tackle than that at Arsenal in the Premier League, in the first few minutes from memory.
 
That referee was just ** brilliant yesterday. In real time that penalty looked dubious, even on the TV replays it does but that photo closes the case.
 
A few things of note.
Watch the line of the ball after the tackle. If Santos had got anything on the ball at all it would have gone straight on.
The reaction of Santos and the rest of his team mates wasn’t excessive by any means.
Santos was the last defender and under normal circumstances if an attacking player is fouled then it’s an automatic red, so what’s the difference
How the fcuk could Evo see anything from his technical area when his view was clearly obscured by the players on the pitch
Had it been in our box then you can guarantee Evo would have claimed a penalty all day long
I suppose what made it worse from a Bolton perspective was that about 10 minutes before that incident Dembele had brought one of their players down with a tackle from behind and the ref just had a word when it should have been a yellow.
Evo is typical of all managers unfortunately; a decision goes against them (regardless if it’s right or wrong) and they kick off and yet when it goes in their favour and are asked about it in a post match interview the standard answer is
“I didn’t see it so can’t comment.”
On this occasion Evo did see it albeit with an obstructed view from 50 yards away.
One more thing, if that happened in rugby it would have been a penalty try.
 
Their defender made his first mistake 2 seconds before. He faces the wrong way when the ball is played down the line so is then out of position and that allows our forward to get in ahead of him leading to his lunge.
 
Jimmy Jazz said:
Ian Evatt was a fine defender for us.
As a manager, he is somewhat myopic and tends towards bellyaching.
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There's a few Bolton fans that think his tendency to have a go at refs and blame them is turning refs against them. We all know that can happen, it happened with us and Paul Ince. Once a manger is seen as aggressive or just a nightmare to deal with, then suddenly the 50/50 decisions that were going for you go agaist you.
 
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Maybe the chants of "the referees a wanker" just before the incident was playing on the Referees mind too?? (mentioned on another thread by me too 😂 🍊
 
Eternaloptimist said:
A few things of note.
Watch the line of the ball after the tackle. If Santos had got anything on the ball at all it would have gone straight on.
The reaction of Santos and the rest of his team mates wasn’t excessive by any means.
Santos was the last defender and under normal circumstances if an attacking player is fouled then it’s an automatic red, so what’s the difference
How the fcuk could Evo see anything from his technical area when his view was clearly obscured by the players on the pitch
Had it been in our box then you can guarantee Evo would have claimed a penalty all day long
I suppose what made it worse from a Bolton perspective was that about 10 minutes before that incident Dembele had brought one of their players down with a tackle from behind and the ref just had a word when it should have been a yellow.
Evo is typical of all managers unfortunately; a decision goes against them (regardless if it’s right or wrong) and they kick off and yet when it goes in their favour and are asked about it in a post match interview the standard answer is
“I didn’t see it so can’t comment.”
On this occasion Evo did see it albeit with an obstructed view from 50 yards away.
One more thing, if that happened in rugby it would have been a penalty try.
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I still can't really work it out tbh. How does the ball go back towards Lyons? Does it hit KJ? I don't think so, which would mean it must have come off Santos? It's not ncessarily the case that the ball would have gone straight on, it depends where it hits him. If he does play the ball, it's neither a penalty nor a card. But it's one of those very difficult to read challenges, we have had loads go against us this season. The bolton players were clearly not happy with the decision, contrary to what you say. I am sure though, like you, that evatt would have seen it differently if it had happened at the other end - he's under pressure to deliver and seems pretty stressed.
 
voyeur said:
I still can't really work it out tbh. How does the ball go back towards Lyons? Does it hit KJ? I don't think so, which would mean it must have come off Santos? It's not ncessarily the case that the ball would have gone straight on, it depends where it hits him. If he does play the ball, it's neither a penalty nor a card. But it's one of those very difficult to read challenges, we have had loads go against us this season. The bolton players were clearly not happy with the decision, contrary to what you say. I am sure though, like you, that evatt would have seen it differently if it had happened at the other end - he's under pressure to deliver and seems pretty stressed.
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my view is that he went thru Joseph to get the ball and that both of his feet made contact with him. His left foot then won the ball and knocked it towards Lyons. Put it like this, he he didn't get the ball and the man he got the man and the ball and it's that order which is relevant. So yep pen and a red.
 
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At the time I thought penalty but was a little surprised he also received a red card. Now having seen a few replays and different angles, I think the ref got it spot on. A single image doesn't always tell the full story but in this instance it'll be enough to mean there is no chance of an appeal being overturned and most likely it may end up with his suspension being increased.

Their fans weren't happy with the free kick for our first and that one is a little less obvious, that said they switched off to the quick take, didn't get close enough to Beesley and the rest is history. How they see it, the ref took the free kick, played the ball to himself on the edge of the box after scored a screamer. Odd how none of them mention the 2nd penalty that wasn't awarded. The alternate angle of that makes it even more obvious and makes you wonder what the referee and linesman were looking at.
 
20togo said:
my view is that he went thru Joseph to get the ball and that both of his feet made contact with him. His left foot then won the ball and knocked it towards Lyons. Put it like this, he he didn't the ball and the man he got the man and the ball and it's that order which is relevant. So yep pen and a red.
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You may well be right, I find it hard to tell. Not even certain there was contact but could well have been. Maybe KJ had to jump over him for self protection.
 
Still think Joseph has slowed down to reposition his feet as the ball was slightly going slightly behind him which causes Santos to catch Joseph in the lower back with his right arm knocking Joseph off balance. Santos right shin initially catches the back of Joseph's right leg, right foot catches the ankle of Joseph pushing him off the ball which Santos connects with while Joseph ends up on his backside.
Pen yes, sending off not sure as it was a genuine attempt to hook the ball away and not a two footed lunge through the back of Joesph
 
Steamgun said:
Still think Joseph has slowed down to reposition his feet as the ball was slightly going slightly behind him which causes Santos to catch Joseph in the lower back with his right arm knocking Joseph off balance. Santos right shin initially catches the back of Joseph's right leg, right foot catches the ankle of Joseph pushing him off the ball which Santos connects with while Joseph ends up on his backside.
Pen yes, sending off not sure as it was a genuine attempt to hook the ball away and not a two footed lunge through the back of Joesph
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Both feet were off the ground. In this day and age that's deemed serious foul play. Reckless endangerment.
 
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