Its the time for some serious questions to be asked

Phil_bfc deux

Phil_bfc deux

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BST as the supporters trust need to stop fcuking about with fans led reviews and @rseing about with footballing politics, now is the time to find a backbone and get into the owner

Sort out a proper open forum and let the owner know how fcuked off the majority of our fanbase are with the abject failure of the last two seasons

To not even make the play offs this season is truly pathetic for our club, we have a squad lacking leaders and a safety first dullard manager

Our best players don't even belong to us

He should have never been given the job in the first place, that isn't hindsight as he failed at his last couple of jobs, Sadler was too lazy to actually go out and get a proper bloke who would have led this group of players, instead going for someone who he knew and worked with before

Critchley needs to be sacked now, and i want to hear from Sadler following the last 2 cluster fcuk seasons

What's the Ambition, where is the Planning, what happened to the Project?

We are treading water again as a club

And it simply isn't good enough after all we fought for
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Of the owner

BST as the supporters trust need to stop fcuking about with fans led reviews and @rseing about with footballing politics, now is the time to find a backbone and get into the owner

Sort out a proper open forum and let the owner know how fcuked off the majority of our fanbase are with the abject failure of the last two seasons

To not even make the play offs this season is truly pathetic for our club, we have a squad lacking leaders and a safety first dullard manager

Our best players don't even belong to us

He should have never been given the job in the first place, that isn't hindsight as he failed at his last couple of jobs, Sadler was too lazy to actually go out and get a proper bloke who would have led this group of players, instead going for someone who he knew and worked with before

Critchley needs to be sacked now, and i want to hear from Sadler following the last 2 cluster fcuk seasons

What's the Ambition, where is the Planning, what happened to the Project?

We are treading water again

And it simply isn't good enough after all we fought for
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Absolutely spot on Phil
 
Yep, I really can’t understand Critchley’s team selections.

With the players we have he could easily pick a very solid, good back four.

Pack the midfield again with decent to good footballers which we have got.

Instructions to the midfield, track your man when they go forward and we know who your man is.

No looking around passing the buck which they can do with the system he plays.

Just unbelievable.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Of the owner

BST as the supporters trust need to stop fcuking about with fans led reviews and @rseing about with footballing politics, now is the time to find a backbone and get into the owner

Sort out a proper open forum and let the owner know how fcuked off the majority of our fanbase are with the abject failure of the last two seasons

To not even make the play offs this season is truly pathetic for our club, we have a squad lacking leaders and a safety first dullard manager

Our best players don't even belong to us

He should have never been given the job in the first place, that isn't hindsight as he failed at his last couple of jobs, Sadler was too lazy to actually go out and get a proper bloke who would have led this group of players, instead going for someone who he knew and worked with before

Critchley needs to be sacked now, and i want to hear from Sadler following the last 2 cluster fcuk seasons

What's the Ambition, where is the Planning, what happened to the Project?

We are treading water again as a club

And it simply isn't good enough after all we fought for
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And why oh why are you keeping Critchley in place for next season??
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Of the owner

BST as the supporters trust need to stop fcuking about with fans led reviews and @rseing about with footballing politics, now is the time to find a backbone and get into the owner

Sort out a proper open forum and let the owner know how fcuked off the majority of our fanbase are with the abject failure of the last two seasons

To not even make the play offs this season is truly pathetic for our club, we have a squad lacking leaders and a safety first dullard manager

Our best players don't even belong to us

He should have never been given the job in the first place, that isn't hindsight as he failed at his last couple of jobs, Sadler was too lazy to actually go out and get a proper bloke who would have led this group of players, instead going for someone who he knew and worked with before

Critchley needs to be sacked now, and i want to hear from Sadler following the last 2 cluster fcuk seasons

What's the Ambition, where is the Planning, what happened to the Project?

We are treading water again as a club

And it simply isn't good enough after all we fought for
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Some good points Phil. If I was feeling rational I'd say tomorrow is the time to start asking serious questions.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Some good points Phil. If I was feeling rational I'd say tomorrow is the time to start asking serious questions.
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Fcuk being rational we couldn't even make the play offs in the third tier after relegation last season

Its been a disaster, especially when you consider the two of the other relegated teams had points deductions

We will never get a better chance
 
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"We will never get a better chance"

Really ?I'm sure we will but understand the bitter disappointment today .Made worse by fact a win = play offs.

I think Sadler will stick with Critchley for another season due to good finish to the season ( apart from today) .

The play offs weren't lost today it was those turgid games against clearly inferior opposition.

Critchley gas served up some boring footy ,he has been slow to adapt to games and innovation is certainly not his forte

However many players have underperformed
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Fcuk being rational we couldn't even make the play offs in the third tier after relegation last season

Its been a disaster, especially when you consider the two of the other relegated teams had points deductions

We will never get a better chance
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Yes we will, old fruit. Next season we're going to be millionaires.
 
No no no you can't judge our owner.

We had the Oystons, we don't know how lucky we are to have Si.

Give Critch one more season, we'll come good.

So we didn't bounce back 1st time, well neither did Sunderland, Forest, Portsmouth, Massive etc etc etc 🥱

Let me know if I've missed any of the other usual answers.
 
Wizzerboy said:
No no no you can't judge our owner.

We had the Oystons, we don't know how lucky we are to have Si.

Give Critch one more season, we'll come good.

So we didn't bounce back 1st time, well neither did Sunderland, Forest, Portsmouth, Massive etc etc etc 🥱

Let me know if I've missed any of the other usual answers.
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You missed out that we are entitled to expect play offs or nothing less. Otherwise fans won’t renew their season tickets. It’ll be empty in BR next season once Paulco’s boycott kicks in.
 
I'm not going to call this a typical knee jerk reaction after a disappointing end to the season when even in Game 46 we could have nicked a play off place.
I don't agree with everything @Phil_bfc deux says;
I didnt want Critch but whilst being unsuccessful after he left us he was successful before. Sadler took plenty of sdvice in appointing him and "The computer said yes".
When you look at the winter loan signings the "Recruitment team" did a good job so I'm optimistic they may might have some decent options lined up. We will always be reliant on loans but finding another Dembele will be tough.
IMO Sadler will back them.
As for Critch without doubt he's an "improvement needed". He is a conscientious, hard working man (I believe) and he will analyse his season. I'm not Mystic Meg so I can't predict whether or not his self analysis will result in a change.
I'm afraid we will all just have to wait and see.
 
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Chunkylad said:
You missed out that we are entitled to expect play offs or nothing less. Otherwise fans won’t renew their season tickets. It’ll be empty in BR next season once Paulco’s boycott kicks in.
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So you don’t think that we should have expected us to be in the playoffs?

If your answer is that we shouldn't be expecting to roll over any of these teams in this division then you're as bad as Critchley.

I agree that every team has a good day out once in a while but it always seemed to be against us.
Port Vale are reported to have had their worst home season in their history yet wiped us away quite easily.

It isn't arrogance or the magic word 'entitled ' to think that we should be beating teams in the lower echelons of this league.

As a footnote, you can take the piss out of dwindling attendances all you want but if Critchley serves that shite up again next season there WILL be a reduction of numbers.
 
Wizzerboy said:
So you don’t think that we should have expected us to be in the playoffs?

If your answer is that we shouldn't be expecting to roll over any of these teams in this division then you're as bad as Critchley.

I agree that every team has a good day out once in a while but it always seemed to be against us.
Port Vale are reported to have had their worst home season in their history yet wiped us away quite easily.

It isn't arrogance or the magic word 'entitled ' to think that we should be beating teams in the lower echelons of this league.

As a footnote, you can take the piss out of dwindling attendances all you want but if Critchley serves that shite up again next season there WILL be a reduction of numbers.
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As I’m not a Man City fan I go into every season with hope and not expectation.

I really wanted us to challenge to win the league this season but the recruitment wasn’t good enough and we seemed to always pick up injuries for our most in form players through the season (Rhodes and Albie in particular).

I didn’t like the formation from game 1 either and thought we were way too conservative in too many games.

I did expect us to be in the top 6 as the season started but never felt we were entitled to be there. Our attendances made us 7th in the league for revenue. We had players clearly hung over from last year and both injuries and the new signings in the summer left us short.
 
If we’re trying to win promotion with Jake Beesley as our central striker and CJ right wing back we’ll have absolutely fuckin no chance.

Recruitment is always key.

We’ll no doubts recruit for this 3 at the back (the fact he’s never changed it is a red flag) and then pot him if we start shit to be left with a load of players we probably won’t play in the system the new gaffer plays.

When push came to shove today we were wet as fook, just like the Head Coach. 3-1 down and Joseph is goosed with a young striker on the bench and we brought on Matty fuckin Virtue AGAIN!

That’s classic Critchley that one. He liked the idea of taking a young centre forward who’s just bagged a hat trick but when it came to actually using him he shit himself as per.
 
Adams Kebab said:
If we’re trying to win promotion with Jake Beesley as our central striker and CJ right wing back we’ll have absolutely fuckin no chance.

Recruitment is always key.

We’ll no doubts recruit for this 3 at the back (the fact he’s never changed it is a red flag) and then pot him if we start shit to be left with a load of players we probably won’t play in the system the new gaffer plays.

When push came to shove today we were wet as fook, just like the Head Coach. 3-1 down and Joseph is goosed with a young striker on the bench and we brought on Matty fuckin Virtue AGAIN!

That’s classic Critchley that one. He liked the idea of taking a young centre forward who’s just bagged a hat trick but when it came to actually using him he shit himself as per.
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Yeah that's bang on

Will probably sign lads who can't get in the Wrexham team or the Stockport team, both play 3 at the back then end of with a load of centre halves once we go to a back 4

There simply isn't any planning or joined up thinking to our recruitment

Dembele and Rhodes prime examples of this
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Of the owner

BST as the supporters trust need to stop fcuking about with fans led reviews and @rseing about with footballing politics, now is the time to find a backbone and get into the owner

Sort out a proper open forum and let the owner know how fcuked off the majority of our fanbase are with the abject failure of the last two seasons

To not even make the play offs this season is truly pathetic for our club, we have a squad lacking leaders and a safety first dullard manager

Our best players don't even belong to us

He should have never been given the job in the first place, that isn't hindsight as he failed at his last couple of jobs, Sadler was too lazy to actually go out and get a proper bloke who would have led this group of players, instead going for someone who he knew and worked with before

Critchley needs to be sacked now, and i want to hear from Sadler following the last 2 cluster fcuk seasons

What's the Ambition, where is the Planning, what happened to the Project?

We are treading water again as a club

And it simply isn't good enough after all we fought for
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I have to say, this reeks of entitlement bullshit. Of course this season is a failure, however that lays at poor tactical execution and lack of experienced number 2’s.
Off the pitch in terms of CEO, director of football etc were leaps and bounds ahead of where we were even 4 years ago. You make it sound like we’re still under previous regime. The truth is Sadler is putting in c. 3-5 mill a year plus training ground and stadium infrastructure which are legacy issues.

Not hiding that this year (and of course last year) have been a shocker, however some wider perspective is needed. We need to stop feeling like everyone is screwing us. Sadler has our best interests at heart, otherwise you may want to be careful what you wish for. Short memories for some.
 
ParkerStraysOffside said:
I have to say, this reeks of entitlement bullshit. Of course this season is a failure, however that lays at poor tactical execution and lack of experienced number 2’s.
Off the pitch in terms of CEO, director of football etc were leaps and bounds ahead of where we were even 4 years ago. You make it sound like we’re still under previous regime. The truth is Sadler is putting in c. 3-5 mill a year plus training ground and stadium infrastructure which are legacy issues.

Not hiding that this year (and of course last year) have been a shocker, however some wider perspective is needed. We need to stop feeling like everyone is screwing us. Sadler has our best interests at heart, otherwise you may want to be careful what you wish for. Short memories for some.
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Congratulations on being the first of the everything is fine brigade because we are Oyston free (eifbbwaof) to use the entitlement strap line

You win
 
Also, sack the manager (either way I’m not overly fussed) but who comes in realistically they you would accept? History tells you (ill
Go back to simon Grayson sacking 2019/2020)we struggle to appoint and attract each time.
 
Chunkylad said:
but the recruitment wasn’t good enough and we seemed to always pick up injuries for our most in form players through the season (Rhodes and Albie in particular).
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So what didn't you like about Dembele (aha), Byers, Coulson, Rhodes and Morgan?
Joseph is marmite and Kouassi is work in progress.
Those signings give me cause for optimism and its irrelevant that most of them are loans.
 
Insider said:
So what didn't you like about Dembele (aha), Byers, Coulson, Rhodes and Morgan?
Joseph is marmite and Kouassi is work in progress.
Those signings give me cause for optimism and its irrelevant that most of them are loans.
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I don't like the fact that you can't really play all 5 at the same time without fcuking about with the system so much that means the rest of the players haven't got a scooby what they are doing

And its not irrelevant at all as it most certainly means that they won't be with us next season

I liked the policy from the first full season under Sadler when we signed players on permanent transfers like Keshi, Yates and Marv
 
Insider said:
So what didn't you like about Dembele (aha), Byers, Coulson, Rhodes and Morgan?
Joseph is marmite and Kouassi is work in progress.
Those signings give me cause for optimism and its irrelevant that most of them are loans.
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It's not quite irrelevant though is it Insider? Loans have to come into the team and learn the system all in less than a whole or less than half the season. They are sometimes not up to full match fitness, hence they get niggles. All that said, without a shadow of a doubt our best performing players this season have all been loanees. This will probably be the case next season unless he clears his head and gives Apter a run, as loans typically come from a higher standard of competition than our regular troops. We might sign a couple of this season's loans of course, and I'd be up for that. Any of them would improve our squad and they would get the full season to tune in to the job in hand, which is get us out of this division before it becomes a comfortable place for us to wallow.
 
Mark_GT said:
It's not quite irrelevant though is it Insider? Loans have to come into the team and learn the system all in less than a whole or less than half the season. They are sometimes not up to full match fitness, hence they get niggles. All that said, without a shadow of a doubt our best performing players this season have all been loanees. This will probably be the case next season unless he clears his head and gives Apter a run, as loans typically come from a higher standard of competition than our regular troops. We might sign a couple of this season's loans of course, and I'd be up for that. Any of them would improve our squad and they would get the full season to tune in to the job in hand, which is get us out of this division before it becomes a comfortable place for us to wallow.
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Bang on

Anyway when is the meeting with the owner?

Time for BST and the SLO to put their big boy pants on
 
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Phil_bfc deux said:
Bang on

Anyway when is the meeting with the owner?
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Good question -wish I knew the answer Phil. It's all been very low key lately comms wise since the events of the Seasiders Together structured dialogue. IMO all parties could benefit from an open fans forum before the start of next season. Things need a reboot with some good news to ensure the momentum of the last few years isn't lost.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I don't like the fact that you can't really play all 5 at the same time without fcuking about with the system so much that means the rest of the players haven't got a scooby what they are doing

And its not irrelevant at all as it most certainly means that they won't be with us next season

I liked the policy from the first full season under Sadler when we signed players on permanent transfers like Keshi, Yates and Marv
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You have to accept we need a squad so all your signings are never guaranteed a place.
Permanents are obviously a preference but there's always a place for loan players. Thats just the way it is. It's been a pleasure watching Dembele and Rhodes and plenty of others over the years.
You need competition for places and you more or less need 2 for each position.
I'm not saying I agree with his formation but it is what it is.
I dont know who will be with us next season and it remains to be seen if we will recruit to fit 3-5-2 or we'll get a re-style.
 
We'll probably get a condescending message from jumper over the shoulders saying it was a really good season and we were unlucky and Critchley was the right man and still is and he will support him in the summer and he will get us promoted next season and the supporters should get behind him and stop being so horrible about him!!
 
We are not a club with the resources to be able to guarantee success in this league, it takes a bit of building.

But when you look at it, seemingly no team in league one has that ability. I remember in the past Wigan, Fulham, Cardiff going out and overpaying to get players better than league one quality and storming the league but even Derby, Sunderland etc couldn't do that these days.

Critchball has been hard viewing and the amount of quality, non loan signings we've made is a bit worrying. I do think something changed around the time Critchley left the first time. Pure speculation but it did coincide with SS's business getting scrutiny from large US banks.

The reality is we will go again with Critchley, if the summer signings are not particularly wow-standard I think attendances will drop to 8k, if we start off badly i think he will go
 
John Deary me said:
I honestly think it's going to be a summer of nothing . He's never going to dig deep for players , at best another couple of loans and we go again ..
Our better players are already linked to moving on and who can blame them.
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Better players linked to moving on?
Dlname these so called better players.
Lavery / Marv / Husband have all turned down new contract offers.
all are out of contract with no option.
Lavery misses over a third of every season through injury.
Marv had redeemed himself as a defender but as a ball playing CH? Replaced by Casey.
Husband - started well has been awful since turn of year. Scored last week at fault for 2 of their goals today. Defensively weak.
In contract players who I assume you are referring to looking to move on - Gabriel. Plays half a season tops every season. Is Lincoln a step up from us for him? For selling his clothing brand yes - he's got a whole new fan base to kit out and play twister with.
Better players who I think we will sign are Rhodes, Coulson and Byers.
Beesley Kouassi Joseph all signed up not heard a peep about Grimmy wanting away.
 
Marv and Hubby are scape goats because of the shite midfield and forward line , we just invite other teams to attack with the stupid system. Beesley , Kouassi and Joseph that's a reason to get excited about ? Grimshaw is the only asset you mention . Loans isn't the answer , I don't mind building a team and bedding players in but any decent player we have gets the confidence zapped from.him with the current system.
I would like to think better players would sign , but as we know better players earn better money and that is where bfc won't compete.
 
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I think the owner will be more disappointed than anyone on here tonight. He’s the one footing the bill.

Or does he still want to sell the club Phil?
 
Of course there is a huge over reaction as it’s all a little raw, and some feel they have entitlement.


The fact is, as has been said before is when you have Beesley and CJ as 2 of your starting 11, and Connolly, Virtue etc in and around the team it’s concerning. The majority of the players who were not good enough to keep a team in the Championship become starters and subs the following season in the league below to me confirms it’s not going to be a easy season ahead!

It is a big close season and will show how much the club want to get out of this division. A lot must go and much better come in and be ready to hit the ground running and then if he’s still here Critch has no excuses.
 
DJ Dudley said:
Of course there is a huge over reaction as it’s all a little raw, and some feel they have entitlement.


The fact is, as has been said before is when you have Beesley and CJ as 2 of your starting 11, and Connolly, Virtue etc in and around the team it’s concerning. The majority of the players who were not good enough to keep a team in the Championship become starters and subs the following season in the league below to me confirms it’s not going to be a easy season ahead!

It is a big close season and will show how much the club want to get out of this division. A lot must go and much better come in and be ready to hit the ground running and then if he’s still here Critch has no excuses.
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Its not entitlement to think the club should be performing better considering we were in a higher league last season
 
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