Jack Diamond cleared of rape.

bill40 said:
How this case went to trial I'll never know.
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I couldn't agree more Bill but it won't be the first case like this to go to court and it won't be the last.

Thankfully the jury knew that she was a feck buddy with the Jeremy crying rape but think what he's been put through.
 
Halifax71 said:
"the woman, who cannot be identified" 🙄
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The innocent man is named, the person who brought the accusation to court and was subsequently found to have...... well, is made it up or lied or something too strong?
How would you describe it?
Is protected.
Another example of men being second class citizens.
 
tangerine_neil said:
Didn’t know much about it, but having read about it now, I’ve got to ask:
How did this even go to court???
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Perhaps a case of prosecutors wanting to make a name for themselves, send down a pro-footballer, presumably a fair amount of kudos in that, awfully nice to have that on your CV for your next job application.
 
And that is why it is so difficult to prove a person is guilty of rape, as I have said before, I had to cover 2 or 3 long weekends a year on night duty for the sex offences team as I was a detective on Public Protection and as an investigator you were on a hiding to nothing because chances were that the report was malicious but rightly so the investigation had to be done properly and thoroughly taking many many hours work for a good number of people only for it to be retracted or flawed. It is never going to stop and makes it so difficult for real victims to get justice or to even report it. This woman should be named, charged and a proper penalty for what she has done, these "non victims" need to be deterred so time and effort can be spent on the real victims.
 
hertfordseasider said:
And that is why it is so difficult to prove a person is guilty of rape, as I have said before, I had to cover 2 or 3 long weekends a year on night duty for the sex offences team as I was a detective on Public Protection and as an investigator you were on a hiding to nothing because chances were that the report was malicious but rightly so the investigation had to be done properly and thoroughly taking many many hours work for a good number of people only for it to be retracted or flawed. It is never going to stop and makes it so difficult for real victims to get justice or to even report it. This woman should be named, charged and a proper penalty for what she has done, these "non victims" need to be deterred so time and effort can be spent on the real victims.
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As an ex detective I'm staggered at what you're saying. A jury has to find someone guilty beyond all the reasonable doubt, that does not make the accused innocent. To say the phase "non victim" and they should be charged is an appalling thing to say. Crying rape is very rare, statistics back that up. As a women, would you like to stand there and your reputation be dragged through the mud, that's exactly what the defence try and do. Then the jury find the defendant not guilty due to reasonable doubt and you're suggesting the accuser is put on trial. Let's shave their heads and make them parade through the streets naked. It's strange how these trials seem to provoke these reactions, they are notoriously difficult to prove but rape does happen under such circumstances and women should not be under the threat of prosecution. By the way its not the women who are taking the case it's the CPS.
 
Ginge 2 said:
The innocent man is named, the person who brought the accusation to court and was subsequently found to have...... well, is made it up or lied or something too strong?
How would you describe it?
Is protected.
Another example of men being second class citizens.
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Who said he was innocent? That's different to not guilty. Who knows where you there?
An average of two women are killed in the UK every week by a partner or ex partner. Claiming men are 2nd class citizens might feed into your little conspiracy but its not really true is it?
 
Shandypants said:
As an ex detective I'm staggered at what you're saying. A jury has to find someone guilty beyond all the reasonable doubt, that does not make the accused innocent. To say the phase "non victim" and they should be charged is an appalling thing to say. Crying rape is very rare, statistics back that up. As a women, would you like to stand there and your reputation be dragged through the mud, that's exactly what the defence try and do. Then the jury find the defendant not guilty due to reasonable doubt and you're suggesting the accuser is put on trial. Let's shave their heads and make them parade through the streets naked. It's strange how these trials seem to provoke these reactions, they are notoriously difficult to prove but rape does happen under such circumstances and women should not be under the threat of prosecution. By the way its not the women who are taking the case it's the CPS.
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Exactly.
The CPS decides whether to prosecute not the victim (or the police).
Prosecuting people who make an accusation of rape that is subsequently found not guilty in a court would have the obvious consequence of stopping victims from reporting rape to the police. Is this really what we want? Rape conviction rates are already very, very low.
The criminal justice system has done its job, a trial was held and the defendant was found not guilty. It happens, it's why we have trials.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Exactly.
The CPS decides whether to prosecute not the victim (or the police).
Prosecuting people who make an accusation of rape that is subsequently found not guilty in a court would have the obvious consequence of stopping victims from reporting rape to the police. Is this really what we want? Rape conviction rates are already very, very low.
The criminal justice system has done its job, a trial was held and the defendant was found not guilty. It happens, it's why we have trials.
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If the police had acted more professionally in the Yorkshire ripper case instead of partly blaming prostitutes and dismissing testimony, the case might have been solved a lot more quickly. Misogyny is running rife on these type of threads, it really is unsavoury.

I have taken this from an article:

An estimated 85,000 women are raped in England and Wales every year. In 2012/13, just 3,692 were prosecuted and of those, there were 2,333 convictions. That means that while 93% of estimated rapes went unpunished, just 0.6% of rape charges were judged to be false. It seems the focus is on the wrong statistic, no?
 
Shandypants said:
Who said he was innocent? That's different to not guilty. Who knows where you there?
An average of two women are killed in the UK every week by a partner or ex partner. Claiming men are 2nd class citizens might feed into your little conspiracy but its not really true is it?
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Has he been found guilty?

He has been released with no case to answer. You muddying the waters, or trying to wont ever change that.

I can only comment on what i read in the press and it was a pretty open and shut case in mine and many others view.

Bringing up other facts doesn't make him guilty, it just means you are finding another way to bash blokes, any blokes.....not the decent ones who work hard to bring up their families and provide safe loving homes for them.
 
Ginge 2 said:
Has he been found guilty?

He has been released with no case to answer. You muddying the waters, or trying to wont ever change that.

I can only comment on what i read in the press and it was a pretty open and shut case in mine and many others view.

Bringing up other facts doesn't make him guilty, it just means you are finding another way to bash blokes, any blokes.....not the decent ones who work hard to bring up their families and provide safe loving homes for them.
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You claimed men are 2nd class citizens, that's a bit silly isn't it.
 
How’s this any different to what goes on throughout the U.K., thousands of times a week?

CPS at fault here, imo. This should never have made it to court. No wonder the jury took less than an hour to deliberate.
 
Shandypants said:
You claimed men are 2nd class citizens, that's a bit silly isn't it.
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You must be a politician.

Men are constantly put down.
Men, especially white males are portrayed in many forms of media as somehow deficient either it be as husband's father's or just human beings.
Laws in this great country of ours are favourable to women, especially those regarding father's as opposed to mother's, being the lone parent in a relationship breakdown.
Men are also battered for CSA by unfair and in my view, discriminatory rules that again favour women.
A report by the mental health charity Mind found that men between 18 and 35 were more likely to commit suicide than any other group, one of the causes stated being the general feeling that they ' 'weren't good enough' and we're 'not valued'.
There are literally hundreds of women's help groups, women get, and rightly so, breast screening, cervical screening and are massively funded, again rightly so for many other health screening programs.

Compare that to men.
Just in the last few years have we been made aware about the dangers of prostate cancer.

Try getting a test!! One of my pals got prostate cancer with no symptoms, it was picked up during a routine test for something else....so as a group of friends we all decided to get tested.
We were all between 50 and 60. Not one of us had been invited for any kind of screening previously.
Out of 6 of us two were turned away by their GP,
4 were tested, one had advanced prostate cancer!!
Why do men not get the same level of screening?

And finally as you are so keen to quote about women and domestic abuse think about this....
In 1 in 3 instances of domestic abuse MEN are the victims.....ONE THIRD. But that isn't widely reported because it doesn't fit the narrative.

Look up the word misandry.
Shandypants said:
You claimed men are 2nd class citizens, that's a bit silly isn't it.
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Ginge 2 said:
You must be a politician.

Men are constantly put down.
Men, especially white males are portrayed in many forms of media as somehow deficient either it be as husband's father's or just human beings.
Laws in this great country of ours are favourable to women, especially those regarding father's as opposed to mother's, being the lone parent in a relationship breakdown.
Men are also battered for CSA by unfair and in my view, discriminatory rules that again favour women.
A report by the mental health charity Mind found that men between 18 and 35 were more likely to commit suicide than any other group, one of the causes stated being the general feeling that they ' 'weren't good enough' and we're 'not valued'.
There are literally hundreds of women's help groups, women get, and rightly so, breast screening, cervical screening and are massively funded, again rightly so for many other health screening programs.

Compare that to men.
Just in the last few years have we been made aware about the dangers of prostate cancer.

Try getting a test!! One of my pals got prostate cancer with no symptoms, it was picked up during a routine test for something else....so as a group of friends we all decided to get tested.
We were all between 50 and 60. Not one of us had been invited for any kind of screening previously.
Out of 6 of us two were turned away by their GP,
4 were tested, one had advanced prostate cancer!!
Why do men not get the same level of screening?

And finally as you are so keen to quote about women and domestic abuse think about this....
In 1 in 3 instances of domestic abuse MEN are the victims.....ONE THIRD. But that isn't widely reported because it doesn't fit the narrative.

Look up the word misandry.
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Thanks I've never thought about it like that. Despite white men literally ruling the world, I'm going to bed depressed that I'm a white middle aged man. An oppressed group, downtrodden and abused. Fancy setting up civil rights marches for us white men.
"I have a dream"
 
Shandypants said:
Thanks I've never thought about it like that. Despite white men literally ruling the world, I'm going to bed depressed that I'm a white middle aged man. An oppressed group, downtrodden and abused. Fancy setting up civil rights marches for us white men.
"I have a dream"
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You made a statement that basically an innocent man, found not guilty of a crime, by a court of law, judged by a jury of 12 independent individuals presided over by a judge in a Crown court, who inline with the laws of the land heard evidence from both the prosecution legal teams and the defence legal teams was wrong.

You made that assumption even though you know nothing of the evidence that brought this case to court or the evidence or otherwise that came to the conclusion that it did.
If we start to question the findings of a Crown Court in this country, the oldest and finest legal system in the World, then frankly the do gooders, the apologists and left wing woke brigade will have conned everyone into believing there are no bad people in this world, only misunderstood individuals that need a tree to hug.


You are part of the problem.
 
Ginge 2 said:
You made a statement that basically an innocent man, found not guilty of a crime, by a court of law, judged by a jury of 12 independent individuals presided over by a judge in a Crown court, who inline with the laws of the land heard evidence from both the prosecution legal teams and the defence legal teams was wrong.

You made that assumption even though you know nothing of the evidence that brought this case to court or the evidence or otherwise that came to the conclusion that it did.
If we start to question the findings of a Crown Court in this country, the oldest and finest legal system in the World, then frankly the do gooders, the apologists and left wing woke brigade will have conned everyone into believing there are no bad people in this world, only misunderstood individuals that need a tree to hug.


You are part of the problem.
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I've done jury service twice, the system is average at best, the legal system sent a load of postmaster to prison. I'll question the legal system and decisions of a Crown call if I wish thanks.
Read the secret barrister book it's a depressing read.
The prosecution needs to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that someone us guilty. If the jury has a 1% doubt then they must acquit them, that doesn't mean they are innocent.
You're statements about do gooders and tree huggers says all I need to know about you. Go and cry about white male persecution and do gooders whilst the rest of the adult world cracks on.
 
Shandypants said:
I've done jury service twice, the system is average at best, the legal system sent a load of postmaster to prison. I'll question the legal system and decisions of a Crown call if I wish thanks.
Read the secret barrister book it's a depressing read.
The prosecution needs to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that someone us guilty. If the jury has a 1% doubt then they must acquit them, that doesn't mean they are innocent.
You're statements about do gooders and tree huggers says all I need to know about you. Go and cry about white male persecution and do gooders whilst the rest of the adult world cracks on.
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Zzzz
 
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