Jack Moore gone to Chorley

The shipping out begins. He's better than that standard but at least will be playing regularly and at 3 months gives us cover at RB for when the hamstring injuries start for Connolly, Lyons and Gabriel breaks down from his comeback!!!!
 
Lost Seasider said:
His first real steps in men's senior football, if he does well at that level then he'll get moved up to the next and if he does well there he'll be around the first team after that.

Plus, because it's NL, if the club really needs him they can easily recall him.
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Gabriel sounds a fair way off, Connolly isnt a wing back for a 532, and CJ isnt a defender of any sort. Moore looks a good back up RWB option to me, while Gabriel gets back to fitness. Critch obv doesn't want to risk youth. He takes no risks whatsoever though. Extreme risk aversion to the point of preferring older squarer pegs in round holes.
 
voyeur said:
Gabriel sounds a fair way off, Connolly isnt a wing back for a 532, and CJ isnt a defender of any sort. Moore looks a good back up RWB option to me, while Gabriel gets back to fitness. Critch obv doesn't want to risk youth. He takes no risks whatsoever though. Extreme risk aversion to the point of preferring older squarer pegs in round holes.
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The coaching staff work with him day in, day out, if the coaching staff think his level is NLN then I'm prepared to trust their judgement over yours.
 
Lost Seasider said:
The coaching staff work with him day in, day out, if the coaching staff think his level is NLN then I'm prepared to trust their judgement over yours.
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Of course they work with him day in day out, its just an observation from my house. Similar to many that you provide on here. Moore went to Chorley in January, too.

Those same coaches decided to start our last pre season preparation game with CJ and Connolly as wing backs. Both patently unsuited, and Connolly on the left! They arent infallible. We'll probably start Beesley up front tomorrow. Managers do get into a state of trying to prove their own signings were money well spent. And put out teams that are not the best possible, with players out of position. This forum is a place for fans to comment on that from a fans perspective.
 
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Thye have to weigh up him getting regular games vs less games higher up.

If he played regularly he'll develop and be stepped up, then more likely to play more at a higher level.

They obviously feel this initial loan is what he needs.
 
voyeur said:
Those same coaches decided to start our last pre season preparation game with CJ and Connolly as wing backs. Both patently unsuited, and Connolly on the left! They arent infallible.
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A pre-season game against Hibernian's kids, which we won easily, and was all about getting mileage into legs and nothing else.


voyeur said:
Managers do get into a state of trying to prove their own signings were money well spent. And put out teams that are not the best possible, with players out of position. This forum is a place for fans to comment on that from a fans perspective.
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Lyons was Appleton's signing, was it not? Likewise Thompson, and IIRC Husband was signed by Grayson.

In any event, what has any of that to do with whether Moore is better than NLN?
 
I think if you weigh up all the pros and cons this is probably a good move for Jack IF he plays. He'll be under the watchful eye of Matt Irwin, Chorley keeper and U18s goalie coach.
I suspect he won't be the only one going out.
 
JJpool said:
Thye have to weigh up him getting regular games vs less games higher up.

If he played regularly he'll develop and be stepped up, then more likely to play more at a higher level.

They obviously feel this initial loan is what he needs.
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Yes and its fine i dont have a problem with it. Just chewing the cud. But also hoping we dont stick the wrong people in the wrong positions. Which happens. Ive always supported Critch and stuck up for him, but he has his faults. The style of play is very risk averse and the selection is too. If he starts Beesley up front and Connelly at left wing back i think i wont be alone in wondering what the funk he's thinking.
 
Lost Seasider said:
A pre-season game against Hibernian's kids, which we won easily, and was all about getting mileage into legs and nothing else.



Lyons was Appleton's signing, was it not? Likewise Thompson, and IIRC Husband was signed by Grayson.

In any event, what has any of that to do with whether Moore is better than NLN?
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Our last pre season game though, with perplexing wing back choices. Miles in the wrong legs.

Lyons and Thompson didnt start. If Lyons doesnt start tomorrow it will back up what I'm saying.

Its relevant to Moore because he Critch putting players out of position in a contortionist manner when we have a promising young wing back who is not being considered. Obviously. Moore is neatly 20, he's not a baby.
 
generally think that Critchley has always been risk averse to giving his own youth players a chance. Maybe his background of coming from the Liverpool academy means he favours going for youngsters from PL teams over giving our youngsters a chance.
 
voyeur said:
Yes and its fine i dont have a problem with it. Just chewing the cud. But also hoping we dont stick the wrong people in the wrong positions. Which happens. Ive always supported Critch and stuck up for him, but he has his faults. The style of play is very risk averse and the selection is too. If he starts Beesley up front and Connelly at left wing back i think i wont be alone in wondering what the funk he's thinking.
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Well it's only 3 months, he's very close by, not sure if they still come back for dev squad stuff too.
 
For me a big test of Critch as the long term man (as much as that's even a thing these days) is about how he manages those players on the fringe of selection.

Carey needs to be a key player this year and used properly not to plug gaps. Apter should be a regular on the bench and played when apt (see what I did there) and the likes of Holmes, Moore, Marriete and Trusty should be trusted (again, see what I did) should be trusted to plug gaps when injuries bite

If we can carry less experienced pros then we can pay more per player for those we have. With a fixed wage budget and squad size limits then the youth can be really valuable in both financial and practical senses.

There's a whole bunch of players who have played for us for a while now and some of them need to at least have the opportunity to make the grade or you end up wondering what the point of spending on the age groups actually is as it's not like we sell them on like Prem clubs do.

It's not about relying on them or picking them ahead of experienced players but ensuring we are brave enough to risk them as and when.

Moore going out makes total sense as we're quite right back heavy but I hope we see him sometime in tangerine as the lad delivers a great ball.
 
A little bit disappointing. If he was going to feature this season for us it would be most likely to happen in the first three months with the extra cup competitions and Gabriel not available.
Obviously not in NC’s plans.
 
20togo said:
generally think that Critchley has always been risk averse to giving his own youth players a chance. Maybe his background of coming from the Liverpool academy means he favours going for youngsters from PL teams over giving our youngsters a chance.
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I just don't think we've had youth players who were anywhere near good enough to play L1 let alone Championship so far, hopefully that's starting to change.

Remember, the Oystons were still in charge just over four years ago, you can't just flip a switch and expect the academy to start producing first team players overnight.
 
What he puts out on a Saturday over the past 3/4 weeks may well be for Burtons eyes. What he sets up on the training ground Mon-Fri
will be what he wants. Against Hibs he certainly mixed things up and has never played his strongest team as yet ? which is the consensus
on this forum. From his recent interview for tomorrow he pointed out what messages/instructions had been given to the players all of them.
He wants a squad of players who any one player can step up and perform, thats the message I seem to be getting, he's getting there IMO.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
How do folk know he's better than that standard?

He has very little experience, it's a great move for him to get first team football
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All I know is he fizzes a dipping cross beautifully and does it with minimal fuss. There's something there. What level it is, fuck knows.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
How do folk know he's better than that standard?

He has very little experience, it's a great move for him to get first team football
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Jack went to Chorley last season but unfortunately picked up an injury and quickly returned without getting much game time.
He certainly has the attributes @td53 waxes lyrical about, he's extremely well thought of by the Academy, but "risk averse" Critch won't play him so he's better off at Chorley something on a personal level I don't actually disagree with.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
How do folk know he's better than that standard?

He has very little experience, it's a great move for him to get first team football
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Some of us actually attend Development Squad games and pre-season matches so have seen Jack's abilities at first hand. Not surprised he is being shipped out with Critchley at the helm but have to agree he is better than NLN standard. Could we not have at least have found a National League team for him eg Fylde just down the road.
 
tangopat said:
Some of us actually attend Development Squad games and pre-season matches so have seen Jack's abilities at first hand. Not surprised he is being shipped out with Critchley at the helm but have to agree he is better than NLN standard. Could we not have at least have found a National League team for him eg Fylde just down the road.
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Development squad games against other clubs of a similar standing with players at the same level means fcuk all
 
tangopat said:
Some of us actually attend Development Squad games and pre-season matches so have seen Jack's abilities at first hand. Not surprised he is being shipped out with Critchley at the helm but have to agree he is better than NLN standard. Could we not have at least have found a National League team for him eg Fylde just down the road.
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Even at NL level, clubs are going to be looking for players who have proved that they can do the job, and a spell in NLN is a way to do that
 
td53 said:
For me a big test of Critch as the long term man (as much as that's even a thing these days) is about how he manages those players on the fringe of selection.

Carey needs to be a key player this year and used properly not to plug gaps. Apter should be a regular on the bench and played when apt (see what I did there) and the likes of Holmes, Moore, Marriete and Trusty should be trusted (again, see what I did) should be trusted to plug gaps when injuries bite

If we can carry less experienced pros then we can pay more per player for those we have. With a fixed wage budget and squad size limits then the youth can be really valuable in both financial and practical senses.

There's a whole bunch of players who have played for us for a while now and some of them need to at least have the opportunity to make the grade or you end up wondering what the point of spending on the age groups actually is as it's not like we sell them on like Prem clubs do.

It's not about relying on them or picking them ahead of experienced players but ensuring we are brave enough to risk them as and when.

Moore going out makes total sense as we're quite right back heavy but I hope we see him sometime in tangerine as the lad delivers a great ball.
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Just can't take to Thompson, he may improve technically under NC but comes across as moody in interviews I've seen & think he'll be getting a few suspensions. Just leaves JH on the left. Having seen Apter looking comfortable last preseason covering as a RWB I think he could do a decent job if need be at LWB but no doubt NC would play Connelly instead. Risk averted.
 
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