Jake Daniels, one to watch.

FY16JJ said:
What can you ell us about him @Insider - position, strengths etc?
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Well he's a striker but not a target man and quite often plays wide.
What strikes me about him is that he's an "intelligent" footballer.
He passes the ball well, he's not selfish with ball and will play a team mate in if he's in a better position to score.
He's a strong young man for a 17 yr old so still has time to develop physically.
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
Hmmm...its about time one of these talents kicked on and actually made our first 11...they all seem to fall before they even reach the final hurdle...surely one day one will make the leap
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Its all down to managers giving them a chance I guess. I remember Brad Holmes getting a chance but didn't look ready and Sinclair's lad who did ok. I'd like to see Rob Apter get a chance because he could be a decent prospect from what I've heard and also Jake. I remember Nathen Shaw making a few first team appearance's and looked promising. Wonder how he's been getting on at Fylde.
 
BruceBFC said:
Its all down to managers giving them a chance I guess. I remember Brad Holmes getting a chance but didn't look ready and Sinclair's lad who did ok. I'd like to see Rob Apter get a chance because he could be a decent prospect from what I've heard and also Jake. I remember Nathen Shaw making a few first team appearance's and looked promising. Wonder how he's been getting on at Fylde.
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Nathan has played when fit but unfortunately he's had a season plagued by injury. Rob Apter has had a good season at Chester with plenty of plaudits plus of course some international recognition.
 
BruceBFC said:
Its all down to managers giving them a chance I guess. I remember Brad Holmes getting a chance but didn't look ready and Sinclair's lad who did ok. I'd like to see Rob Apter get a chance because he could be a decent prospect from what I've heard and also Jake. I remember Nathen Shaw making a few first team appearance's and looked promising. Wonder how he's been getting on at Fylde.
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It's all to do with them being good enough

The standard these lads are playing in is poor its Cat 3 Academy against other Cat 3 teams like Rochdale, Morecambe and Accrington

The youth lads at better Academy teams play a higher standard

Even Crewe play at a higher Academy standard hence why so many of their youth make the first team at Crewe

Until our Academy improves and the Category increases I very much doubt many will make the first team as Championship football is miles away from Academy Cat 3
 
It's all to do with them being good enough.

Correct, and if they are they'll make the step up. You don't have to play at a Cat1 academy to guarantee football success in the same light that you'll never make it if you're at a Cat3 academy.
 
Wizzerboy said:
It's all to do with them being good enough.

Correct, and if they are they'll make the step up. You don't have to play at a Cat1 academy to guarantee football success in the same light that you'll never make it if you're at a Cat3 academy.
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Yep but you certainly have more of a chance

You only have to look at the loans of where our best prospects go to see the standard

Not even conference standard

Saying all that i do like the look of Holmes , Abter and Daniels just think they need some proper football league experience before they are ready for a Championship first team
 
Philbfctrois said:
Yep but you certainly have more of a chance

You only have to look at the loans of where our best prospects go to see the standard

Not even conference standard

Saying all that i do like the look of Holmes , Abter and Daniels just think they need some proper football league experience before they are ready for a Championship first team
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I know the standard of our Academy is your specialist subject and there's no disputing the fact that we are a Category 3 Academy.
That being the case most of the games are against other Cat 3 players.
A couple of things to say about this:
This season, to address the "standard" issue Trusty, Mariette, Moore, Daniels, Strawn, McLachlan and Fitzgerald have all been sent out on loan to play "grown-up" football.
On the occasions when the u/18s have played against Cat 1 academies there wasn't a huge gulf.
Of course the the fact that we are Cat 3 academy has nothing to do with the standard of the players, it's all to do with the standard of the facilities. That is being adddressed.
Looking specifically at Jake he turned down a move to Cat 1 academy and by choice is staying a Blackpool. Whilst I know that for a fact with Jake it may also be the case with others.
So try and see a positive for once. 👍
#5for25
 
Insider said:
I know the standard of our Academy is your specialist subject and there's no disputing the fact that we are a Category 3 Academy.
That being the case most of the games are against other Cat 3 players.
A couple of things to say about this:
This season, to address the "standard" issue Trusty, Mariette, Moore, Daniels, Strawn, McLachlan and Fitzgerald have all been sent out on loan to play "grown-up" football.
On the occasions when the u/18s have played against Cat 1 academies there wasn't a huge gulf.
Of course the the fact that we are Cat 3 academy has nothing to do with the standard of the players, it's all to do with the standard of the facilities. That is being adddressed.
Looking specifically at Jake he turned down a move to Cat 1 academy and by choice is staying a Blackpool. Whilst I know that for a fact with Jake it may also be the case with others.
So try and see a positive for once. 👍
#5for25
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You miss my point again
 
Philbfctrois said:
You only have to look at the loans of where our best prospects go to see the standard

Not even conference standard
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I think it's because regulations in those leagues are less tight in terms of player commitment. It lets the club send and recall them. And play in youth or county cups (I think).
I think you, Phil, are missing the whole club youth strategy as a whole. Or you don't get it. Or maybe you don't care
The point is to be able to expose those kids against older, more experienced players, and follow their progress and being able to intervene if needed.
If we were to loan Apter to Barrow (for example) we don't have a say if their manager decides to not use him on behalf of playing their own contracted players, or if it occurs to him to field Rob as a Center Back. The player is commited for 1, 3, 6 months or a year and has to train with them and travel and put up with all that stuff. And you can come and say "if he can't stand all that stuff then he's not good enough"
But the Idea of an academy of a club is to try and help every young player in any way posible, give them advice and the tools to be able to reach his potential. This is the best way to be sure that if you have Mariette on loan on a club that plays him out of position, or Holmes sat on a bench because of his manager personal preference of others over him, we can come and take them back, and send them to another club where they are taken into correct consideration
 
Philbfctrois said:
You miss my point again
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Didn't we beat Newcastle 3-0 and lose narrowly 2-3 at Stamford bridge to a late penalty though? It feels like we have brought in better youth players since Critch arrived. Anticipating good coaching and improving facilities. Possibly.
 
Was it Jake who attempted the weighted through ball to Yates against Peterborough that Jerry didnt anticipate? I found that mental a youth player came on and tried something we've been crying out for all season

Hopefully we'll see some appearances for him in the first team next year. Be great to have a lad come through the academy!
 
TangerinePeel said:
Was it Jake who attempted the weighted through ball to Yates against Peterborough that Jerry didnt anticipate? I found that mental a youth player came on and tried something we've been crying out for all season

Hopefully we'll see some appearances for him in the first team next year. Be great to have a lad come through the academy!
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I think that was Luke Mariette who is also a cracking prospect.
 
Lost Seasider said:
I think a spell in the National League and perhaps a loan to a L2 club in January would be of more benefit to him at this stage in his career.
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Jake will only be a 2nd year scholar this coming season. The danger with sending him out to a League 2 club is that its a 6 month loan and we'll lose a bit of control. Not sure if that applies to National League, it certainly doesn't below that. I be inclined to keep him in the Youth set up at BFC until at least Christmas. Let all the off-field stuff die down and reassess the situation in January.
I'm sure however the wise people in the Academy will know what is best.
 
I read that we're going to be joining the reserve league again. So he could get more experienced playing in that league with/agaist senor players who are coming back from injury and fringe players.
 
I bleed Tangerine said:
I read that we're going to be joining the reserve league again. So he could get more experienced playing in that league with/agaist senor players who are coming back from injury and fringe players.
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Yes that came out at the "dialogue" meeting. I must admit it surprised me because Critch said he was against it at a Q&A I was at with him only a couple of months back.
 
Insider said:
Jake will only be a 2nd year scholar this coming season. The danger with sending him out to a League 2 club is that its a 6 month loan and we'll lose a bit of control. Not sure if that applies to National League, it certainly doesn't below that. I be inclined to keep him in the Youth set up at BFC until at least Christmas. Let all the off-field stuff die down and reassess the situation in January.
I'm sure however the wise people in the Academy will know what is best.
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National League rules are here: https://s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/files.pitchero.com/leagues/10865_1631611317.pdf

As far as I can see, the same rules apply to NL and NLN, because he's under 20 the Youth Loan Rules apply (section 6.6.4), which effectively means that he can go to/from any NL/NLN club at any time.

So my thinking was to send him out to get senior experience in NL in the first half of the season, if that works out and the club thinks he's ready then move him up to the next level, and if we lose a bit of control then so be it.

I'm sure the club will know what's best, but the point I was making was we shouldn't expect him to be making first team appearances at BFC next season.
 
Insider said:
Yes that came out at the "dialogue" meeting. I must admit it surprised me because Critch said he was against it at a Q&A I was at with him only a couple of months back.
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Said similar to me, I actually asked him again off the back of you mentioning that on here and he said he preferred hand-picking development games so I'd imagine there's been some sort of assurance we can move fixtures around at times to fit in bounce games.
 
seanjmcginlay said:
Said similar to me, I actually asked him again off the back of you mentioning that on here and he said he preferred hand-picking development games so I'd imagine there's been some sort of assurance we can move fixtures around at times to fit in bounce games.
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As our "development" squad increases in size it make more sense. Another concern is where these games will be played? Judging by the size of the league we are likely to be in that's probably no more than half dozen home games so the Club might be able to persuade the groundsman to let them use Bloomfield Rd. 😉
 
Philbfctrois said:
It's all to do with them being good enough

The standard these lads are playing in is poor its Cat 3 Academy against other Cat 3 teams like Rochdale, Morecambe and Accrington

The youth lads at better Academy teams play a higher standard

Even Crewe play at a higher Academy standard hence why so many of their youth make the first team at Crewe

Until our Academy improves and the Category increases I very much doubt many will make the first team as Championship football is miles away from Academy Cat 3
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I get what you're saying but Tony Weston came through our academy and seems to be doing alright.
 
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