John-Jules loan termination update

Tango1953 said:
Hauled off immediately after and hasn't been seen since (I think). Add that to Keshi's form since then and it explains his absence.

I do get the impression Critch was particularly fucked off by how casual he was on that occasion.
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And rightly so, it was unforgivable and like you say the reason he hasn’t been seen since. Joke of an attitude.
 
Still boils my piss now, all he had to do was put his shoulder in and it was a throw in. Pure laziness.
 
I understand the need to give players a chance but it really didn't take too many games imo to see that he really wasn't good enough, up for the fight or whatever other terminology anyone wishes to use.
 
He's got the ability, no question. If someone can wake him up to the need for total commitment he can have a good career. Football is super competitive, if you don't compete you'll disappear fast.
 
Adams Kebab said:
He had less heart than Elliot Grandin which takes some doing. Madness he got called up for England U21. Purely based on his Club and not his performances which is a sad indictment of selection processes.
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Not necessarily. He has the ability level to play for England U21, but seemed to come here with the wrong idea of what a loan to a non Premier club is all about. Like it's a bit of practice, a series of bounce games or something.
 
voyeur said:
Not necessarily. He has the ability level to play for England U21, but seemed to come here with the wrong idea of what a loan to a non Premier club is all about. Like it's a bit of practice, a series of bounce games or something.
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Which ironically, is what hes ended up doing.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
We’re not desperate for a forward. I’m Yates and Lavery we have 2 strikers that any Championship club would love to have.
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He was meant to be the big target man but with mobility and skilll.
If he looks back with honesty he will learn so much from this loan - he will learn that talent without heart, will not provide him with the career he desires.

So either he gets the mental health and desire bit sorted, or he will fade away.
 
voyeur said:
Not necessarily. He has the ability level to play for England U21, but seemed to come here with the wrong idea of what a loan to a non Premier club is all about. Like it's a bit of practice, a series of bounce games or something.
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I think this is exactly right. It's an attitude thing with some youth players at Prem clubs I think - not all of course because Ballard and KDH both had the application whereas TTJ doesn't, and is why they'll make it and he won't.
Someone said on the youth game thread that Arsenal got knocked out 3-0 to Colchester.......it's not difficult to see why if they all have that attitude. Loan players from the top league need to understand that these aren't reserve games, if you're not right at it then you can have all the silky skills in the world but you still won't make the first team. I think some of them are quite shocked at the level of physicality and aggression tbh.
 
BFC_53 said:
I think this is exactly right. It's an attitude thing with some youth players at Prem clubs I think - not all of course because Ballard and KDH both had the application whereas TTJ doesn't, and is why they'll make it and he won't.
Someone said on the youth game thread that Arsenal got knocked out 3-0 to Colchester.......it's not difficult to see why if they all have that attitude. Loan players from the top league need to understand that these aren't reserve games, if you're not right at it then you can have all the silky skills in the world but you still won't make the first team. I think some of them are quite shocked at the level of physicality and aggression tbh.
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That was me on the youth game thread too. 😇

Colchester has a category 2 academy. Punching above its weight. Crewe, Notlob and the Massive the only other clubs outside the top two tiers to be category 2. Blackpool is category 3.

The Category One Academies are: Arsenal, Aston Villa, Birmingham City, Blackburn, Burnley, Brighton, Chelsea, Crystal Palace, Derby County, Everton, Fulham, Leeds United, Leicester City, Liverpool, Newcastle United, Manchester City, Manchester United, Middlesbrough, Norwich City, Nottingham Forest, Reading, Southampton, Stoke City, Sunderland, Tottenham, West Brom, West Ham and Wolves.

I'm sure TTJ is now fully aware of what is required, the step up to the Championship was a bit of a shock for all of us, the intensity. Some players are mentally much more able to adjust quickly. TTJ has struggled. I think it's too easy to just diss people like him, when in fact we are talking about a very high level of performance and mental toughness that is required, and he is only 20 years old. He has time on his side, and he will have learnt from this experience. I wouldn't be writing him off, yet.
 
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I think he was given too many starts (8?) and that wasn't justified. Perhaps it may have been better to use him as an impact sub and build from there, but when you start early and fail, it's a long road back which often is a dead end anyway.
 
Just tell Arsenal to take him back so they can loan him out to Millwall or someone so they can keep an eye on him easier!
One decent loan shouldn't have made us want to be a mini Arsenal feeder club.
 
we have to remember he's been out on loan to two L1 clubs too! Although we are a level up he should have had some idea of what is needed and required of him!
 
If he was one of our own, I'd be backing him to keep getting game time, but since he's not I don't care if we send him back, the point of getting a loan player from a Premier League club is to get that bit of extra quality for cheap, if he's not even able to consistently get into the 18 then there's no point in paying his wages anymore.

Send him back as he's dead wood and a crucial part of our transfer strategy in January is going to be offloading dead wood like him, Sarkic, Howe, and Nuttall.
 
It's not worked out and he needs to go back
Get his head and attitude right ie. mature a bit we might hear of him again
 
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Scaramanga said:
At our expense ? No thanks. He can come back when he’s more learned.
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And that would cost us a lot more money. The point is Scara, we get these young players to be developed now, I agree with you, he's not what we need. Nevertheless, I'll take a 'need to develop' Ellis Simms all day long.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
And that would cost us a lot more money. The point is Scara, we get these young players to be developed now, I agree with you, he's not what we need. Nevertheless, I'll take a 'need to develop' Ellis Simms all day long.
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I don’t remember Ellis simms having a poor attitude though 66. The two players are at a different level IMO, Simms is good to go at higher level than JJ. Make no mistake I wish the boy well, he’s just not ready for the championship IMO.
 
Feel a bit sorry for him but on the other hand I like that as a club we won't put up with half hearted performances, the ruthlessness is needed but I hope he finds his feet somewhere.
 
I predict he will be out of the Arsenal set up in the next couple of years and will end up at Orient and then hover around that level for the rest of his career and never realise his potential, it happens.
 
hertfordseasider said:
I predict he will be out of the Arsenal set up in the next couple of years and will end up at Orient and then hover around that level for the rest of his career and never realise his potential, it happens.
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I don't. We have used him badly and done him no favours. There is a player in there deffo..
 
Mark_GT said:
Well I hope the lad doesn't read all this. Feels like Joe Nuttall territory all over again. People learn at different rates, who knows both of them might make it through in the end. I hope so.
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I have always rated Nuttall, and hope he does the business still and preferably for us. I just don't see it in TJJ, I want him to do well but I think he would have been better off in league 1, he undoubtedly has the skills but his drive just doesn't seem to be there, he's only young, but he isn't playing for a reason, he isn't even on the bench so I fully expect him to return to Arsenal. We can't be wasting a loan on a player who isn't going to play, it was the same with the lad from Liverpool last season, he wasn't good enough and we ended up getting Simms and Embleton, who were up to it.

I just think he's going to be one of those promising young players who don't make it at the highest level, there are plenty of them, but he will play regularly, just lower down the leagues and maybe when he matures he will make a decent Championship player, maybe not
 
hertfordseasider said:
I have always rated Nuttall, and hope he does the business still and preferably for us. I just don't see it in TJJ, I want him to do well but I think he would have been better off in league 1, he undoubtedly has the skills but his drive just doesn't seem to be there, he's only young, but he isn't playing for a reason, he isn't even on the bench so I fully expect him to return to Arsenal. We can't be wasting a loan on a player who isn't going to play, it was the same with the lad from Liverpool last season, he wasn't good enough and we ended up getting Simms and Embleton, who were up to it.

I just think he's going to be one of those promising young players who don't make it at the highest level, there are plenty of them, but he will play regularly, just lower down the leagues and maybe when he matures he will make a decent Championship player, maybe not
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He's better than Nuttall, for starters. Orient? Donny fans rated him in L1. Age 19.
 
I dunno but I get the feeling he doesn’t fancy it up north. Some young fancy Dan starlets from London just can’t adapt. If I had to have a bet on it, I don’t think we will see him again.
 
The fact that he has'nt made the match day squad for some time makes you wonder if he can't be arsed busting a gut in training. You can forgive an error if he shows the right attitude, the desire to prove the doubters wrong. Dan Ballard did that following his sending off last season and will have developed further at Millwall this season. T J-J wouldn't have got this far at Arsenal if he didn't have talent but if he doesn't have the right attitude then he's not much use to us.
 
Weird one, I liked him in the centre behind the striker against Fulham I think, had a really good game against Sunderland in the cup too.

But that was the cup against a league 1 team.. and since then…can still see him having a league 1 loan and kicking on
 
I'd actually forgotten about him.

Wish him well but it's a spot wasted IMO.

Apparently he was lacking confidence as coming from Arsenal he never knew how many Tottenham Hotspur plastic supporters there were also purporting to support Blackpool.
 
Macseasider said:
I'd actually forgotten about him.

Wish him well but it's a spot wasted IMO.

Apparently he was lacking confidence as coming from Arsenal he never knew how many Tottenham Hotspur plastic supporters there were also purporting to support Blackpool.
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Naughty.
 
Macseasider said:
I'd actually forgotten about him.

Wish him well but it's a spot wasted IMO.

Apparently he was lacking confidence as coming from Arsenal he never knew how many Tottenham Hotspur plastic supporters there were also purporting to support Blackpool.
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Macseasider said:
I'd actually forgotten about him.

Wish him well but it's a spot wasted IMO.

Apparently he was lacking confidence as coming from Arsenal he never knew how many Tottenham Hotspur plastic supporters there were also purporting to support Blackpool.
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You got your Christmas card from Celtic and AFC Fylde yet?
 
voyeur said:
“Tyreece I can assure you has been training very well and he has to be patient and wait for his opportunity, if it arises." (Critch)
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Found this quote very interesting. A good strong public backing by way of his effort in training, but then the use of "if it arises", rather than "when it arises".

Reads like he's heading back, to me.
 
Tango1953 said:
Found this quote very interesting. A good strong public backing by way of his effort in training, but then the use of "if it arises", rather than "when it arises".

Reads like he's heading back, to me.
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I thought the same. Suggests the issue is not so straightforward. He likes his attitude in training and believes in his ability, but sees a problem in terms of his ability to cope with the demands of the Championship, perhaps. There's a hardening process in terms of getting used to the intensity and the physical demands, and he's not ready. But he's only 20, like Sonny Carey.
 
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