Johnson Buggering Up in Blackpool

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Ollygon

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From the BBC News website:-

"Boris Johnson has been criticised for comparing the struggle of Ukrainians fighting Russia's invasion to people in Britain voting for Brexit.
In a speech he said Britons, like Ukrainians, had the instinct "to choose freedom" and cited the 2016 vote to leave the EU as a "recent example".

The comments have caused anger among politicians both in the UK and Europe.

Donald Tusk, the former president of the European Council, called the comments offensive.

Conservative peer Lord Barwell said voting in a referendum was not "in any way comparable with risking your life" in a war, while Liberal Democrat leader Sir Ed Davey said it was an "insult" to Ukrainians.

Mr Johnson made his comments likening the Ukrainians' fight to Brexit in a speech to the Conservative Party's spring conference in Blackpool on Saturday.

He said: "I know that it's the instinct of the people of this country, like the people of Ukraine, to choose freedom, every time. I can give you a couple of famous recent examples.

"When the British people voted for Brexit in such large, large numbers, I don't believe it was because they were remotely hostile to foreigners.

"It's because they wanted to be free to do things differently and for this country to be able to run itself.""

This moron is an embarassment to the country!

I feared the Russian invasion might be his Falklands moment, but he's really cocked that up.

Although I don't like him, Ben Wallace has been superb in his comments on the Russians, and though I hate to say it, even Liz Truss has looked moderately competent as Foreign Secretary..

However, Johnson wouldn't recognise statesmanship if it was served to him on a plate at one of his Downing Street parties.

If he thinks that's been forgotten about, the Met Police are busy polishing the handcuffs.

I'm wondering whether Putin threatened him with reducing his pocket money if he wasn't nice to the Russians.



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So 48% of British people that could be bothered or were eligible to vote chose to be unfree in Johnsons eyes!!
A bit strange because I used to be free to live and work in an EU country just like I could in the UK but now I can't.
What new freedoms from oppression have I now got as a result of Brexit?
 
L’étranger said:
And that Putin was jumping for joy when the UK voted to leave.
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I think that was the similarity. Russia interfering in other countries politics.

As for choosing freedom well we had a lot of that during lockdown ( or at least Johnson and his cronies did while the majority of us just obeyed his orders).

This from one of his own speaking of covid-

Conservative former minister Steve Baker said: “Millions of people took seriously a communications campaign, apparently designed by behavioural psychologists to bully, to shame and to terrify them into compliance with minute restrictions on their freedom.

Just like you would expect Russia to behave
 
rockontommy said:
The reason why the left won't get in power for the next thousand years. Trying to find fault where it doesn't exist
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So you think it's an acceptable comparison? Ukraine and Brexit?

Do 48% of Ukrainians welcome in the Russians?

Nothing to do with left and right, just outright crass and tasteless, as always with Johnson.
 
Trammo said:
I used to vote Labour till Corblimey and McDonut buggered them up so much it resulted in their worst election defeat since 1935 ! NINTEEN BLOODY THIRTY FIVE ! WOULD YOU BELIEVE IT NINETEEN BLOODY THIRTY FIVE !😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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I'd never have thought that considering the balance you display in your posts.
 
Wizaard said:
So you think it's an acceptable comparison? Ukraine and Brexit?

Do 48% of Ukrainians welcome in the Russians?

Nothing to do with left and right, just outright crass and tasteless, as always with Johnson.
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He's quite clearly talking in general terms.
 
I'm sure I heard on the BBC News last night that the Ukranian Ambassador, who was there when he made his speech, has thanked him for the support given by the UK and didn't complain about his speech. That said, without hearing the full speech and the context in which it was made, it would appear that his words were undeniably crap.
 
gjr69 said:
By mentioning a specific thing, how does that work?
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Talking about freedom. Crass maybe but it gets the usual suspects at it so job done, he'll be thinking. Too busy crying wolf all the time then when a proper scandal lands, nobody is interested.
 
rockontommy said:
Talking about freedom. Crass maybe but it gets the usual suspects at it so job done, he'll be thinking. Too busy crying wolf all the time then when a proper scandal lands, nobody is interested.
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Nearly everybody in the world wants and enjoys freedom, whereas Brexit is divisive and appeals to the other lot of usual suspects.
Great leaders bring people together, Johnson is incapable of that. His whole life has been about privilege, perceived exceptionalism and his own ego.
Amazes me why people who he wouldn’t give a second of his time to think so highly of him.
 
gjr69 said:
Nearly everybody in the world wants and enjoys freedom, whereas Brexit is divisive and appeals to the other lot of usual suspects.
Great leaders bring people together, Johnson is incapable of that. His whole life has been about privilege, perceived exceptionalism and his own ego.
Amazes me why people who he wouldn’t give a second of his time to think so highly of him.
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They were throwaway words of which nothing wider can be inferred despite everyone's best efforts.
 
rockontommy said:
They were throwaway words of which nothing wider can be inferred despite everyone's best efforts.
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He isn't on Have I Got News For You anymore, he is the Prime Minister of a major country, he shouldn't be uttering throw away words.
But I do agree with you most of his words don't have great meaning, what has he changed for the better since he got elected?
Seems to me his main achievements are not being Corbyn and getting a no benefits Brexit done, what else has he achieved?
 
gjr69 said:
He isn't on Have I Got News For You anymore, he is the Prime Minister of a major country, he shouldn't be uttering throw away words.
But I do agree with you most of his words don't have great meaning, what has he changed for the better since he got elected?
Seems to me his main achievements are not being Corbyn and getting a no benefits Brexit done, what else has he achieved?
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Amidst tonnes of pressure to do the opposite, he opened up and finally put this junk pseudo science people management pandemic shit that we've all had to endure into the bin. Other countries are still interfering in people's personal lives, being oppressive I care about your safety dickheads in that regard. That's about it for me, I'm not a fan, but what has any of this got to do with anything? 🙃
 
rockontommy said:
Amidst tonnes of pressure to do the opposite, he opened up and finally put this junk pseudo science people management pandemic shit that we've all had to endure into the bin. Other countries are still interfering in people's personal lives, being oppressive I care about your safety dickheads in that regard. That's about it for me, I'm not a fan, but what has any of this got to do with anything? 🙃
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You say his words don't matter, I say they do, that's what it has to do with. His words result in actions or none actions.
I agree we are lucky to have moved on from pandemic restrictions but my guess is a lot of that was done to save his own skin.
 
gjr69 said:
You say his words don't matter, I say they do, that's what it has to do with. His words result in actions or none actions.
I agree we are lucky to have moved on from pandemic restrictions but my guess is a lot of that was done to save his own skin.
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We are in agreement there. I'd just rather he be hung for the stuff that he has done rather than things that are of no consequence at all. This trying to catch Tories out all of the time for minor things becomes tiresome to read and hear. It's why people switch off from Labour as they just don't talk about the stuff that matters.
 
rockontommy said:
We are in agreement there. I'd just rather he be hung for the stuff that he has done rather than things that are of no consequence at all. This trying to catch Tories out all of the time for minor things becomes tiresome to read and hear. It's why people switch off from Labour as they just don't talk about the stuff that matters.
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Agree. I want to hear Starmer talking positively about what Labour will do, I never hear it. Maybe it doesn’t get reported but what are his ideas to get normal people in their 20s a home of their own. Wages haven't kept up with property prices how can Labour help.
It's the sort of everyday thing that matters but Labour don't appear to engage with it.
 
Curryman said:
I'm sure I heard on the BBC News last night that the Ukranian Ambassador, who was there when he made his speech, has thanked him for the support given by the UK and didn't complain about his speech. That said, without hearing the full speech and the context in which it was made, it would appear that his words were undeniably crap.
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Diplomats tend to be diplomatic.
 
gjr69 said:
Agree. I want to hear Starmer talking positively about what Labour will do, I never hear it. Maybe it doesn’t get reported but what are his ideas to get normal people in their 20s a home of their own. Wages haven't kept up with property prices how can Labour help.
It's the sort of everyday thing that matters but Labour don't appear to engage with it.
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They are so out of touch, I'm not even sure they know how to connect anymore. People will accept being under pressure or even being skint up to a point but they absolutely will not tolerate being derided which is what Labour seem hell-bent on doing. Voted for Brexit? Idiot! Worried about immigration? Racist! Completely bored by talking about genders and bum sex constantly? Transphobe! Vote Tory? You've been manipulated by right wing media. Everyone is unintelligent and can't think for themselves. It's a deep philosophical issue at the heart of the party which requires attention imho. At least Boris offers some levity, Keith is as dour and joyless as it gets.
 
rockontommy said:
They are so out of touch, I'm not even sure they know how to connect anymore. People will accept being under pressure or even being skint up to a point but they absolutely will not tolerate being derided which is what Labour seem hell-bent on doing. Voted for Brexit? Idiot! Worried about immigration? Racist! Completely bored by talking about genders and bum sex constantly? Transphobe! Vote Tory? You've been manipulated by right wing media. Everyone is unintelligent and can't think for themselves. It's a deep philosophical issue at the heart of the party which requires attention imho. At least Boris offers some levity, Keith is as dour and joyless as it gets.
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Definitely need to focus on the mundane and everyday stuff and offer solutions.
Before they do that they need to get out there and ask questions.
The Conservative party has been in power for so long yet so many people blame the less fortunate for the countries problems, how do we get working people to blame the decision makers for the issues and not the victims?
If they can't get them to see who is at fault the Labour party needs to come up with solutions and communicate them effectively.
 
gjr69 said:
Definitely need to focus on the mundane and everyday stuff and offer solutions.
Before they do that they need to get out there and ask questions.
The Conservative party has been in power for so long yet so many people blame the less fortunate for the countries problems, how do we get working people to blame the decision makers for the issues and not the victims?
If they can't get them to see who is at fault the Labour party needs to come up with solutions and communicate them effectively.
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I think we will have some sort of reset within the next few years, like when Blair won in 97.
There is economic bad news on the way for almost everyone and people really don't like becoming poorer. When you add in the government incompetence and sleaze it starts to look very much like the dying days of the Major government (anyone remember the ERM fiasco for instance). I agree with the above, Labour do need a way of connecting with ordinary people but at the moment adult, competent (or even talented), serious politicians might be enough to get them elected.
 
gjr69 said:
Definitely need to focus on the mundane and everyday stuff and offer solutions.
Before they do that they need to get out there and ask questions.
The Conservative party has been in power for so long yet so many people blame the less fortunate for the countries problems, how do we get working people to blame the decision makers for the issues and not the victims?
If they can't get them to see who is at fault the Labour party needs to come up with solutions and communicate them effectively.
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Spot on. Just saying 'bad boris' over and over doesn't butter any crumpets. There's so many open goals - eg pandemic profiteering, the cost of energy - where Labour could and should be ruthlessly exposing but they seem intent on being this holier than thou borefest. And most in the party aren't actually that nice themselves, certainly not the grass roots.
 
Ollygon said:
From the BBC News website:-

"Boris Johnson has been criticised for comparing the struggle of Ukrainians fighting Russia's invasion to people in Britain voting for Brexit.
In a speech he said Britons, like Ukrainians, had the instinct "to choose freedom" and cited the 2016 vote to leave the EU as a "recent example".

The comments have caused anger among politicians both in the UK and Europe.

Donald Tusk, the former president of the European Council, called the comments offensive.

Conservative peer Lord Barwell said voting in a referendum was not "in any way comparable with risking your life" in a war, while Liberal Democrat leader Sir Ed Davey said it was an "insult" to Ukrainians.

Mr Johnson made his comments likening the Ukrainians' fight to Brexit in a speech to the Conservative Party's spring conference in Blackpool on Saturday.

He said: "I know that it's the instinct of the people of this country, like the people of Ukraine, to choose freedom, every time. I can give you a couple of famous recent examples.

"When the British people voted for Brexit in such large, large numbers, I don't believe it was because they were remotely hostile to foreigners.

"It's because they wanted to be free to do things differently and for this country to be able to run itself.""

This moron is an embarassment to the country!

I feared the Russian invasion might be his Falklands moment, but he's really cocked that up.

Although I don't like him, Ben Wallace has been superb in his comments on the Russians, and though I hate to say it, even Liz Truss has looked moderately competent as Foreign Secretary..

However, Johnson wouldn't recognise statesmanship if it was served to him on a plate at one of his Downing Street parties.

If he thinks that's been forgotten about, the Met Police are busy polishing the handcuffs.

I'm wondering whether Putin threatened him with reducing his pocket money if he wasn't nice to the Russians.



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Seems was hoping he would be invited to a European Council meeting at the end of the week , along with Joe Biden, but probably unlikely now as his ridiculous, insensitive speech included insulting the EU. Its been suggested he might now be regretting the speech now its received so much criticism. Words and distorting the truth do matter. Theresa May sacked him as Foreign Secretary as he was hopeless in the role.
 
Ollygon said:
From the BBC News website:-

"Boris Johnson has been criticised for comparing the struggle of Ukrainians fighting Russia's invasion to people in Britain voting for Brexit.
In a speech he said Britons, like Ukrainians, had the instinct "to choose freedom" and cited the 2016 vote to leave the EU as a "recent example"
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Turns out the story is pretty much made up out of thin air: https://order-order.com/2022/03/21/debunking-media-claim-boris-compared-brexit-with-ukraine/

Is this all the left/Guardian/BBC has to offer? No real substantive criticism so let's just make s*** up?
 
Lost Seasider said:
Turns out the story is pretty much made up out of thin air: https://order-order.com/2022/03/21/debunking-media-claim-boris-compared-brexit-with-ukraine/

Is this all the left/Guardian/BBC has to offer? No real substantive criticism so let's just make s*** up?
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I know, look at this headline from another Stalinist rag;

www.dailymail.co.uk

Boris Johnson faces fury after comparing Ukraine war to Brexit vote

Senior Tories and EU officials were among those who criticised the remarks made in a speech to the part faithful at the Conservative Spring Conference in Blackpool.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
Lost Seasider said:
Reporting on Twitter, and not what was actually said.
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It is very clear to anyone that has a reasonable understanding of English that he made a comparison - the word 'like' is the key and is one that is used when comparing two things (one thing is LIKE another thing for instance).

Text of the section of the speech as follows:
“I know that it’s the instinct of the people of this country, like the people of Ukraine, to choose freedom every time.
“I can give you a couple of famous recent examples.
“When the British people voted for Brexit in such large numbers, I don’t believe it was because they were remotely hostile to foreigners.
“It’s because they wanted to be free, to do things differently and for this country to be able to run itself.”

So the people of the Ukraine have chosen to fight for their freedom, LIKE the people of the UK voted in favour of Brexit.
It's stupid, crass and frankly embarrassing from the PM.
 
rockontommy said:
The reason why the left won't get in power for the next thousand years. Trying to find fault where it doesn't exist
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All worrying about anything but the Big calls he’s got right. We’ll all get our one vote each at the next GE.
If you find him repulsive do a really BIG cross next to your preferred candidate 👍😁

It was a bit of a daft thing to say…. And that’s all
 
We are an island nation and so stand apart from the European mainland. I don't really see any problem in saying that and as far as Ukraine are concerned we were in there prior to the invasion supplying/training the Ukrainian army with those anti-tank weapons. Maybe if Germany/France had made similar efforts then Putin might have thought twice about invading but they were more concerned about keeping the Russian gas/oil supply flowing. At least Germany have now woken up to the Russian aggression and will now put major investment into building a viable military defense force.
 
Bloodtangerine said:
All worrying about anything but the Big calls he’s got right. We’ll all get our one vote each at the next GE.
If you find him repulsive do a really BIG cross next to your preferred candidate 👍😁

It was a bit of a daft thing to say…. And that’s all
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I can't say I've noticed the big calls he's got right, at least not at first time of asking. Time and time again he's dithered and dallied until forced into a decision, or gone down the wrong route before being forced into a u turn.

Some might say those u turns are a sign of reacting to circumstances, but I'd say he'd made many wrong calls first time round.

He's also been very lucky through others' misfortune that when he's been on the brink, something has come along to take the focus away, whether that be partygate, close links to Russians, even the pandemic. Its almost like its manufactured.
 
Now that I've heard a lot more of the speech, it does give a different slant to the argument. I said in my first post 'That said, without hearing the full speech and the context in which it was made, it would appear that his words were undeniably crap.'

I now understand a bit more about what he said , when he said it , and why he said it. My appoligies for calling his words crap.

As for manufacturing, it would appear that the anti Boris/Tory brigade and the left wing press have manufactured his words to score more points.

Thanks for finding that Lost Seasider.
 
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